PS3 Save Games Hacked

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niky
And I could be completely wrong, and GT5 allows the savegame to basically dictate all of a car's attributes numerically. In which case, we're screwed.
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We are screwed anyway. (as is the bold green font you use :yuck:)

If the game validates the savegame contents, someone will cook up a crack to disable that.

And if that guy can not play online with his faked car, he can at least set up his own lobby. Now how do YOU know that the ps3 server you are playing on is not a tweaked one?
 
All Polyphony had to do was unlock Arcade Mode. Such a simple thing to do and it would have stopped 90% of players from wanting to dupe/hack. How they justify locking content we, the consumer's, paid for I'll never know, especially in a game with such a time intensive offline mode.

Now look what's happened. No sympathy from me.
 
It still falls down to whether the game itself can be hacked to produce the desired effect... such lobbies could be reported and users/usernames banned...

If my green font is too sickening, I believe that next month I shall be brown...

Destinkeys
It's interesting to read about how some people justify the cheating they feel is OK (probably using the exploits themselves), but feel concerned about cheating they don't approve of.

I'm a bit more hardcore. Cheating is cheating. Once you start to pick and choose, you are opening yourself to the exact same argument from someone else. THEY feel perfectly fine with the exploit, how DARE you suggest that anything they do whatsoever should be restricted in any way? Even if it impacts YOU, who cares? They have every right to play the game exactly the way they feel like, yada yada yada...

Sound familiar?

Justify your own use of exploits (or excuse others), and you are sliding uncontrollably down that slippery slope. You have lost the right to criticize.
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Now let's break this down. Define cheating.

More specifically... define cheating in the context of a game.

Here:
cheating: To violate rules deliberately, as in a game:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cheating

Now, explain to me: What are the rules of Gran Turismo 5?

Is there a rule: "Thou shalt not gift cars to thineself?"

No.

Is there a rule: "Thou shalt not duplicate cars to gift to thineself or others?"

No.

Is there a rule: "Thou shalt not use B-Spec for the sole purpose of making money to buy cars?"

No.

Is there a rule: "Thou shalt not join the online races unless thine A-Spec level has reached Level 35?"

No.

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What are the rules of Gran Turismo, as applied online?

Thou shalt meet the entry requirements of the race. (for rooms with restrictions)

Thou shalt not drive in an unacceptable manner. (for rooms with penalties)

Thou shalt meet the aids restrictions of the race.

The first across the line shall henceforth be known as the winner.

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Those are the rules, set in black and white, for the online portion of GT5. Live with it. I've already asked once that this discussion be confined to things directly enabled by this new hack, and all previous "duping" arguments be left at the door. Last word. Everything else on the subject gets deleted.
 
Whenever I hear the terms 'hacked' or 'jailbroken', all I can ever picture is a virgin with a huge zit on his lip sitting in his parents' basement...
 
TBH if GT gets hacked I'm hoping it gets totally hacked to pieces to the extent we see and Rfactor style car creation base from it. It can't be any worse than some of the standards!!! There are times when I think GT5 would seriously have benefitted from a bit of Western influence in the car choice.

There's some damn good cars that have been created in Rfactor over the years that surpass the lego efforts of certain jaggied standard cars. I'm pretty sure a GT5 car creation community would rock.
 
PD's concern is making money, the only reason save games are encrypted is so DLC cant be transfered. It has nothing to do with transferring "free" cars that your allowed access to (providing you have enough cr) when you buy the game.

Also the other reason would be for "integrity", so that people can't create hybrids and mess with the cars data / physics.

If you want to have a whole "duping" argument come over to This thread.
 
As a Linux user I am happy the PS3 has been cracked, it is now becoming just as flexible as any PC, so I can use the PS3 as a real computer / media center.

As a GT player I am a bit concerned. The ps3 hack owns the machine so fully that everything is possible, and will inevitably happen if anyone cares enough.

Editing savegames is only the beginning, editing the game is next.

You could edit up a level 40 Bob. Or use a crack to take over his inputs and drive for him. No more cursing! But what does that mean for the SLS competition?

I hope the game validates "impossible" cars, so at least you can run your own clean lobby. We will soon find out I think.

A scheme using unique car ID's validated by a PD database could be used to disable/remove duped cars. But then, you can always create a new scheme that makes up new valid car ID's.

And yes, you could ban dirty users, but you will always be one step behind, and unable to detect their tweaked cars and servers in the first place.

The machine is no longer a trusted platform. You can not trust any savegame, replay or server, anything can be tampered with. Trust has to revert to a social one. Like having a GTP_ prefix in your name.
 
I'll never do this, but I don't see a problem with others doing this if that's what they prefer.

Imagine buying Uncharted 2, downloading a gamesave, starting the game up and jumping right to the end sequence without playing. Sounds like fun.
 
Acumen
Whenever I hear the terms 'hacked' or 'jailbroken', all I can ever picture is a virgin with a huge zit on his lip sitting in his parents' basement...
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Sounds like a BSpec grinder to me.
 
niky

And I could be completely wrong, and GT5 allows the savegame to basically dictate all of a car's attributes numerically. In which case, we're screwed.
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Unfortunately, I think that GT code itself is very "tweakable" because PD was probably thinking ahead and in line with experience gathered from Prologue.

During Prologue-time, Spec III update re-validated many "values" of the car, tweaked their performance and altered many PP values.

I can only presume that PD made GT5 engine as "cluster", allowing modifying of all possible values in order to be able to patch the game and content with their own tweaks when they come up with need to do so gameplay/content-wise.

Now, with all this hacking crap we're witnessing, I guess it is just a matter of time when everything will come through the irreversible drain.

Sadly.
 
Is there actually someone running around in a Prius doing X1 speeds? Or is this just a bunch of hot air.
BTW anyone who would be doing that could be easily spotted and reported on.
I don't think there is much to be gained if someone was to do that.
 
I might download a save for a game after a while of play when the games life is wearing thin.

But Im in GT5 for the long run, I want to go online in a new car and say to my friends "Look what I just spent a ridicolous amount on / won after coming from the back / got in the luckiest ticket of my life"
 
I don't think the HP or weight figures will be an issue because I'd imagine an online race would still restrict cars based on these figures, I'd be surprised if the room didn't read the actual figures and I can't think of a way that cars could pretend to have less than they do. I think the biggest cheat will be downforce.
 
Dunno... The way I see it, a hacked safe is no different than glitching/duping in terms of cars. If we can deal with that without GT breaking down, it should be the same for hacked savegames.
And personally, I don't care about trophies. Neither my on, nor those others have, Especally not those of others.
And since you can't dupe skill or experience with a given car, I don't even consider havin all cars available as a big advantage. Inf act, i think that those who focus on a fistful of cars will be usually at an advantage as they are mroe likely to wring out more potential out of their cars.

So, as long as a car's statistics can't be altered to turn this into genuine cheating online, I think it's not that big of a deal and not too far away from what we're seeing now, anyways. It'll just be done in even less time.
I still don't like it, but what can you do... Sure, it sucks royally if you do care about comparing trophies or whatever, but aside from that... As long as they can't mess with you on the track, it's not that bad.
I wouldn't be suprised if they can, though. Banning cheaters from PSN manually might work, though. But... If a PS3 has been 'jailbroken', can they even stop a cheater from settign up a bazillion of PSN accounts?

Either way, I don't like hacking, glitching, cheating, duping, whatever you wanna call it and I can't really get where the fun is in that, but that's just me.
As long as nobody messes with my 'Ring while I'm hotlapping, I'll be good, I guess.
 
You can expect hacked cars blowing everyone away on the leaderboards then...
This is just the tip of the iceberg :(
 
saidur_ali
Prepare to see many people with Platinum trophies in this game in the coming months driving online like newbies :dunce:. It could help people on GTPlanet who do WRS as they could get a mirrored version of the game save on their GTP tag. I doubt many on here will though.
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I love how eveyone thinks getting all the cars in game would help you platinum gt5, you need GOLD in all events including the x1, and grand tour, which both are very difficult.
 
There is a fun part of seeing a fiat 500 winning a race in front of a pack of X1's , but the humor fades fast...
 
Darktuna
I love how eveyone thinks getting all the cars in game would help you platinum gt5, you need GOLD in all events including the x1, and grand tour, which both are very difficult.
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Uhm, with a hacked save you don't need to drive at all to have everything gold...
 
Luminis
Dunno... The way I see it, a hacked safe is no different than glitching/duping in terms of cars....
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Personally I don't care if people use this hack for personal use and I can see the comparison to duping there but if and when people use this to gain an advantage in online races that is when the comparison ends and I that is why people who support duping do not support this.

The fear is that hacking a game save might be able to be used to cheat, duping a car cant be used to cheat.

The key difference though is this hack is a violation of the PSN user agreement and has been defined by Sony as cheating while duping does not violate the user agreement and has not been defined as cheating and can not be defined as cheating.
 
"PS3 Save Games Hacked ".... ok... AND ??? what's the point???

About what others do with their games, i don't care...
I don't care if all people have platinum trophies, thousands of cars, all the museum cards collection one hundred times, 45 RedBull rockets, nurburgring lap times of 59 seconds... i don't care!

I bought a game named GT5. As previous GT's, it is a loooong time experience... an as i did when i finished GT4 100%, i evaluated the good moments that it gave me for few dolars and it was a great experience, making me to smile...

Then, i won't hack this game... i will enjoy this game a lot of months... you can do what you want, it's your right! 👍

Finish GT5 with hacks in 2 months is like run a marathon, cheat, and finish it in 5 minutes, clean clothes. But then you look at runners, running 4 hours, exhausted... and you think... Was it worth it to cheat?. It's up to you...
 
Sorry... No discussion of where to obtain illicit code will be permitted here. Part of the rules.

BTBAM
Is there actually someone running around in a Prius doing X1 speeds? Or is this just a bunch of hot air.
BTW anyone who would be doing that could be easily spotted and reported on.
I don't think there is much to be gained if someone was to do that.
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Hacking a save game might enable that. We just don't know yet with certainty if it will. From what I know of similar save game hacks, it's a definitely maybe sort of thing.

7HO
I don't think the HP or weight figures will be an issue because I'd imagine an online race would still restrict cars based on these figures, I'd be surprised if the room didn't read the actual figures and I can't think of a way that cars pretend to have less than they do. I think the biggest cheat will be downforce.
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That actually sounds like the most plausible and useful cheat that could come out of tampering with a save game. And I know of no way to restrict this in the current room set-up...
 
The only reason I want to jailbreak my PS3 is to have GT5 completely installed on my HDD so that I no longer need the disk.
 
7HO
Personally I don't care if people use this hack for personal use and I can see the comparison to duping there but if and when people use this to gain an advantage in online races that is when the comparison ends and I that is why people who support duping do not support this.

The fear is that hacking a game save might be able to be used to cheat, duping a car cant be used to cheat.
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Luminis
So, as long as a car's statistics can't be altered to turn this into genuine cheating online, I think it's not that big of a deal and not too far away from what we're seeing now, anyways.
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7HO
The key difference though is this hack is a violation of the PSN user agreement and has been defined by Sony as cheating while duping does not violate the user agreement and has not been defined as cheating and can not be defined as cheating.
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Agreement, shmeement, when it does practically the same thing (giving you cars for free) I don't see much of a difference.

If it does enable you to get all the trophies and cheat online, that's when I'll consider it to be worse. Well, scratch that, as long as it doesn't affect online I don't see much of a difference. Whenever there's a discussion about duping and glitching, the usual statement is usually "it doesn't affect anyone but me, so it's okay". And as long as that's true for the hacked savegame as well, I fail to see the difference.
GT5's platinum trophy esentially becoming meaningless it not that much different from the X2010 or other, formerly valuable cars becoming avilable to everyone by the dozen.

Glitchers calling hackers out, that bears a slight feeling of the pot calling the kettle black :lol:
 
steve30x
The only reason I want to jailbreak my PS3 is to have GT5 completely installed on my HDD so that I no longer need the disk.
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I recommend getting an SSD drive instead, load times are bearable with it. When I saw the post in the gtplanet news I ripped my 64 gig out of my pc and haven't looked back.
 
Again, any discussion of car duplication shall remain in the proper threads. Period. We have more than enough of them as it is.

And again, access to and distribution of hacked PS3 software is against the rules of this board. Any links will be deleted. Thank you.
 
If it allows us to create hybrids - at least offline, this will give the game an extension that was missing in GT4..
 
I wonder if this will have any impact on the BSPEC SLS competition? Everyone with a code could have a top spec driver with this surely?
 

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