PS3 to lose (yet another feature)

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I tried out Linux on my old CECHA01 before it died. Lame.

As if not being able to access Linux from your PS3 has any bearing on whether you'll ever be able to use Linux ever again anyway. You probably have a computer. Put Linux on there.

I say good riddance Other OS.
 
So people without internet cannot play new games? I somehow doubt that, but... make.believe. :p

Hopefully future PS3 games will be playable offline (unlike on PC nowadays).

However future games will require a newer firmware (without OtherOS). That's the point.
 
However future games will require a newer firmware (without OtherOS). That's the point.
No, they won't. If this were the case then this would also affect people without their PS3 connected to the Internet at all.

This only limits the ability to take games online because without the new firmware you can't access the PSN, which still doesn't affect people without Internet connected.
 
No, they won't. If this were the case then this would also affect people without their PS3 connected to the Internet at all.

This only limits the ability to take games online because without the new firmware you can't access the PSN, which still doesn't affect people without Internet connected.

They will.
Every game developed with a SDK >3.15 will require an "evil" firmware.

The required firmware is always on the BD so you don't need to connect to the internet to update.
 
No, they won't. If this were the case then this would also affect people without their PS3 connected to the Internet at all.

There will be a time when a mandatory 3.21 game comes out and it wont let you play, online or off without updating it (with its firmware included on the disk). You have probably never experienced this because you have the latest firmware always downloaded before buying games that need it as standard.

Im suprised game boxes dont have Playstation 3 (Firmware X.XX Only) printed on them!

Robin.
 
I have seen that on the PSP, even when keeping updates regular, but never on the PS3. It might not be something I have seen, but if this is the case it is truly crappy.
 
If it's leading to damaging the integrity of the hardware, and indeed the product, yes. Protection of IP is more than enough of a reason to remove a feature.

This will affect about 0.00001% of PS3 owners. Move on.

(If of course it's not an April's Fool.)

Way to trivialize a perfectly valid complaint by pulling some random minuscule number out of your bottom and using it to support your position.
 
Is there any benefit to installing Linux on the PS3 other than the fact that up until now you could? I presume most PS3 owners also have a PC of some description.

I'm not trolling here, i'm just not aware of any reason why members of the public would need Linux OS on their PS3's.
 
I read that someone has found a way to keep the Other OS (I won't post the link as I haven't had a chance to check if what he has done is legal or not).

Personally I've got no desire to run Linux on my PS3 and imagine that the majority of owners don't either. However, I don't accept Sony's published reason and am disappointed that they've removed something I have thought about playing with from time to time.

If I'd have had more warning I might have bought a new disk and used that for moving forward with firmware updates and kept the current one for playing with Linux. Given how cheap disks are these days that might have been a practical solution.
 
I read that someone has found a way to keep the Other OS (I won't post the link as I haven't had a chance to check if what he has done is legal or not).

Personally I've got no desire to run Linux on my PS3 and imagine that the majority of owners don't either. However, I don't accept Sony's published reason and am disappointed that they've removed something I have thought about playing with from time to time.

If I'd have had more warning I might have bought a new disk and used that for moving forward with firmware updates and kept the current one for playing with Linux. Given how cheap disks are these days that might have been a practical solution.

As I wrote on previous page, there's an easy way to bypass the fw update, however your second idea probably wouldn't work, because the fw is copied into the flash memory. So if you'd put in your old disk it will ask you to update...
I'm sure there's a way to bypass that too, but I haven't found it yet. ;)
 
Sorry, I skipped through the thread trying to catch up and must have missed your post!

...but yes you're right about the FW being on Flash memory so my second idea wouldn't work.
 
Well, as of about 2hrs ago, if you don't have the update and are running through a PROXY or with the DNS trick, you can no longer get online with the PS3. Sad.
 
Is there any benefit to installing Linux on the PS3 other than the fact that up until now you could? I presume most PS3 owners also have a PC of some description.

I'm not trolling here, i'm just not aware of any reason why members of the public would need Linux OS on their PS3's.

Thats what I have been wondering, except for the cheap super computer crowd whats the benefits?
 
Jay
Thats what I have been wondering, except for the cheap super computer crowd whats the benefits?
I've been wondering that too, and I'd also like to know how many of the people here complaining about Sony taking some of their toys away actually used otherOS...
 
Game over for now 👎 :grumpy:

Sony wants to see Geohot's firmware.
As it stands, I will not be updating my PS3 even if it means no GT5.

I've been wondering that too, and I'd also like to know how many of the people here complaining about Sony taking some of their toys away actually used otherOS...

I haven't but I don't see why that would be a valid argument? The point isn't that I haven't, it's that I won't be able to even if I wanted to. It's that they took away a feature that I paid for. It's that they SAID they wouldn't remove the specific feature.
 
So your not gonna update so you can continue to have OtherOS that you haven't yet used, even if the cost is not playing a game you wanted to play?

Look buddy, look at it in a way that makes you feel better. How about those weren't features you paid for, but yet extra features that were included in your PS3 purchase?

I say swallow your pride, accept change, and don't support people like Geohot, who you could literally blame for this update anyways.... Just think about it yeah? What if you were Sony? What if it was literally your dollars being threatened by the idea of your product being hacked and now games are being rented, borrowed, or whatever and put on HDD's without ever purchasing the game.

The law SAID we will not pirate things...But we did it anyways...now we suffer the consequences
 
I haven't but I don't see why that would be a valid argument? The point isn't that I haven't, it's that I won't be able to even if I wanted to. It's that they took away a feature that I paid for. It's that they SAID they wouldn't remove the specific feature.
OK, let me put it this way... Microsoft (hypothetically) decides to remove, say, Windows Fax and Scan from Windows by way of an Automatic Update. According to your logic I'm allowed to complain about MS's actions even though I've never used Fax & Scan?

If you haven't ever used something, imo you have no right to complain about it being taken away.
 
OK, let me put it this way... Microsoft (hypothetically) decides to remove, say, Windows Fax and Scan from Windows by way of an Automatic Update. According to your logic I'm allowed to complain about MS's actions even though I've never used Fax & Scan?

If you haven't ever used something, imo you have no right to complain about it being taken away.

Yes, and I don't see what is wrong with that logic.
It's like me buying a car with AC in alaska, then the manufacturer coming to my house and taking the AC unit away. I never used it but it's ok for them to take it anyway and I can't say jack cause I haven't used it?
IMO, you have no right to tell anyone what they can or can't complain about.

So your not gonna update so you can continue to have OtherOS that you haven't yet used, even if the cost is not playing a game you wanted to play?

Look buddy, look at it in a way that makes you feel better. How about those weren't features you paid for, but yet extra features that were included in your PS3 purchase?

I say swallow your pride, accept change, and don't support people like Geohot, who you could literally blame for this update anyways.... Just think about it yeah? What if you were Sony? What if it was literally your dollars being threatened by the idea of your product being hacked and now games are being rented, borrowed, or whatever and put on HDD's without ever purchasing the game.

The law SAID we will not pirate things...But we did it anyways...now we suffer the consequences

Really? Your opinion on this issue is so strong that you're telling me what to do? No reason for you to get upset over my choice on the matter.
 
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"It's like me buying a car with AC in alaska, then the manufacturer coming to my house and taking the AC unit away. I never used it but it's ok for them to take anyway and I can't say jack cause I haven't used it? "

lol own
 
"Really? Your opinion on this issue is so strong that you're telling me what to do? No reason for you to get upset over my choice on the matter. "

On the contrary! You seemed upset, and I was really trying to give it a more positive outlook so you could feel more at ease. Sorry if I offended you fore it was not my intentions... Text may seem sarcastic and rude sometimes but I assure you I was really trying to get you to feel better ;)

edit: damnit the double post, (sorry)
 
"Really? Your opinion on this issue is so strong that you're telling me what to do? No reason for you to get upset over my choice on the matter. "

On the contrary! You seemed upset, and I was really trying to give it a more positive outlook so you could feel more at ease. Sorry if I offended you fore it was not my intentions... Text may seem sarcastic and rude sometimes but I assure you I was really trying to get you to feel better ;)

Oh, gotcha. Just a misunderstanding.
 
I've been wondering that too, and I'd also like to know how many of the people here complaining about Sony taking some of their toys away actually used otherOS...

So you take your four seat sedan to the shop for service. While in there, they remove the headrests in the back of the car.

THAT pisses me off severely!...
 
What do you mean by lose another feature?
Some people compare this to the loss of PS2 backward compatibility. But it is only comparable to that in the Slim models, as the Slim models do not have Other OS or PS2 backward compatibility out of the box. No one with a PS2 compatible PS3 has had that compatibility taken away. It isn't the best comparison due to the circumstances in this case. But it is a way of pointing out that the "It Only Does Everything" machine does two less things if bought now than it did when it launched.



Dave_sz and I rarely agree on things, but we are in some agreement on the poor form by Sony by doing this. Now, I am not refusing to update my system because I didn't use Other OS. That doesn't change the fact that when I purchased the system it was a feature of the product.

My primary issue here is less with Sony and more with the industry as a whole. They have gotten so paranoid about piracy that they do not look at how many honest customers will be affected in their attempts to stop it.

And I am not talking about intrusive DRM that requires you to be online, or prevents you from installing it on to a new computer even. Yes, those suck too, but when this situation has led to having Homeland Security Border Patrol agents raiding homes (how's the border guys?), Microsoft deactivating third-party memory units, Sony removing features, or any of them constantly doing firmware and/or OS updates it begins to get intrusive, ethically questionable, and annoying. Mod chips can be used just to allow imported games to work on a system, third-party memory units are just cheaper than proprietary ones, custom firmware opens up non-official application uses, and Other OS hadn't been a piracy tool for over two years. These are actions that attack loyal customers trying to get the most out of their hardware equally with pirates.

And in light of a recent Government Accountability Office report that says that current reports of piracy cost estimates "cannot be substantiated or traced back to an underlying data source or methodology" it makes one wonder how much money these companies and our governments are spending on this issue, attacking loyal and honest customers too, in comparison to what is actually being lost.

In this current case, one man found a way through Other OS that would possibly allow piracy, and Sony has punished everyone that legitimately installed Linux.
 
Some people compare this to the loss of PS2 backward compatibility. But it is only comparable to that in the Slim models, as the Slim models do not have Other OS or PS2 backward compatibility out of the box.

Why wouldn't you just compare it to the launch model PS3s? The 60gb cost more because of the few extra features and the hardware differences. I paid for those differences and those features. Some years later they decide to take a few of those extra features and delete them through updates and not refund my money?

Dave_sz and I rarely agree on things, but we are in some agreement on the poor form by Sony by doing this. Now, I am not refusing to update my system because I didn't use Other OS. That doesn't change the fact that when I purchased the system it was a feature of the product.

hahaha
 
What do you mean by lose another feature?

  • PS2 Playback capability.
  • Super Audio CD Playback capability.
  • A firmware update eliminated the PS3's capability of streaming SACD audio through digital audio output (TOSLINK), limiting us to use HDMI only. My home theater is toshiba TOSLINK only, so I can't listen to SACDs like they were meant to be listened to.
  • Removal of two USB ports.
  • Install other OS capability.

These are the ones I remember off the top of my head. Do a few google searches and I'm sure you'll find one or two more.
 
Why wouldn't you just compare it to the launch model PS3s? The 60gb cost more because of the few extra features and the hardware differences. I paid for those differences and those features. Some years later they decide to take a few of those extra features and delete them through updates and not refund my money?
Losing Other OS in the 60 GB model is not losing another feature, as we haven't had any other feature taken away. That is what I meant by saying that Other OS and PS2 compatibility are only comparable in slim models, as those are the only models to not have either.

People with fat models haven't lost another feature with this.

But I do still see the humor in the PS3 becoming less functional over time.
 
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