PS3 vs X-box 360
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For me, the biggest problem with the PS3 will be the cost and the lack of titles that I actually care about.
1) Blu-Ray DVD: The first players are due out late this spring and they are supposed to retail in the neighborhood of $1800... Thats 9000 chicken nuggets at Wendy's! Seeing the price of Blu-Ray, some analists have said that the system is going to cost atleast $450-500, and some have even said upwards of $600. Beyond that, Blu-Ray hasnt gained any extra support over HD-DVD.
2) HD-DVD: Microsoft's announcement of a seperate drive is just what the 360 needs. There isnt any reason to modify the system to produce an add on... With the first production HD-DVD players hitting the market between $400-500, Peter Moore suggested the HD-DVD player could be available for hundreds less on the 360 in the Gamespot CES interview...
3) Games: Personally, the only title that would ever even slightly lure me into the PS3 would be Gran Turismo, just like it did with my PS2. I have less than ten games for my PS2 and yet more than 20 for my XBOX, despite the fact that I have had the PS2 much, much longer. PS3 doesnt have Halo, Forza, PGR, and the outstanding support from EA and Ubisoft on thrid-party titles.
4) Online: Sony is going to have to pull alot of their S together if they are going to be able to match or even beat XBOX Live when it comes to online play... And I really dont think it is possible without a service charge...
I could ramble on, but it is lunchtime...
1) Blu-Ray DVD: The first players are due out late this spring and they are supposed to retail in the neighborhood of $1800... Thats 9000 chicken nuggets at Wendy's! Seeing the price of Blu-Ray, some analists have said that the system is going to cost atleast $450-500, and some have even said upwards of $600. Beyond that, Blu-Ray hasnt gained any extra support over HD-DVD.
2) HD-DVD: Microsoft's announcement of a seperate drive is just what the 360 needs. There isnt any reason to modify the system to produce an add on... With the first production HD-DVD players hitting the market between $400-500, Peter Moore suggested the HD-DVD player could be available for hundreds less on the 360 in the Gamespot CES interview...
3) Games: Personally, the only title that would ever even slightly lure me into the PS3 would be Gran Turismo, just like it did with my PS2. I have less than ten games for my PS2 and yet more than 20 for my XBOX, despite the fact that I have had the PS2 much, much longer. PS3 doesnt have Halo, Forza, PGR, and the outstanding support from EA and Ubisoft on thrid-party titles.
4) Online: Sony is going to have to pull alot of their S together if they are going to be able to match or even beat XBOX Live when it comes to online play... And I really dont think it is possible without a service charge...
I could ramble on, but it is lunchtime...
With me it's the other way around. I've never been interested in the Xbox and (not yet) interested in the Xbox 360 because there is no descent steering wheel. The only games I play are GT4, GTR, GTL (sold FlatOut for a PS2 component cable) and maybe I'm gonna start with Insane again. If GTR2, GTL2, is released on the Xbox 360 and there is a very good steering wheel (or BRD's speed7 is compatible), I would probably buy a 360. There are no other games that interests me besides realistic racing sims.
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He has got a good point, but with regards to Blue ray, there's not hard facts on the expected prices of commercial players, my guess would be that they will cost more than HD-DVD players simply because it's a better format and the price would indicate that, it doesn't cost more or at least much more to actually develop though. The PS3 will most likely cost £300 or $400. The comment on games is a personal one, I've never really been very into games, I've never had more than 10 for any one console. I'll get a PS3 for GT5 and MGS4, MGS imo is the best game series out, ever. Other than MGS and GT and the odd other racing game, all my other games are bought for the PC. Online, I completely agree, Sony need to do something BIG to have any chance against X-Box live, Microsoft have a killer setup for online gameplay there. Sony hasn't really got a track record, you can't count the PS2 because it was more of an afterthought and they had no real intention of picking it up and challenging X-Box live, it was just there, they do seem to be keen on producing a decent online experience with the PS3 but we'll wait and see.
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If you want some preliminary info on Blu-Ray and HD-DVD stuff from CES, DL.TV has some good stuff.
I Highly suggest cheking out the Opening Day CES Coverage on DL.TV for more info on Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD... It starts around minuite four, so wait for it...
I could sum it up quickly I suppose:
- Toshiba will be releasing the first HD-DVD players by Febuary for $499. Roughly 50 titles have been confirmed for the format so far, many of which are comming from Warner Brothers, New Line, and Mirimax etc... HD-DVD will display in 720p or 1080i, so it should look pretty.
- DL.TV didnt list a whole lot of information about Blu-Ray other than it will be expensive, and it wont go on sale untill summer at the earliest. Only 60 titles have been annouced so far for Blu-Ray, and it is a safe bet that the majority of them are from Sony Pictures. Considering that Blu-Ray recorders are selling for $4000 USD in Japan, players are going to be expensive as well... AOTS had put the price at $1800 for the Pioneer unit which last I herd was not due untill almost fall...
Ohh, and just for kicks, the Peter Moore CES Interview...
I Highly suggest cheking out the Opening Day CES Coverage on DL.TV for more info on Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD... It starts around minuite four, so wait for it...
I could sum it up quickly I suppose:
- Toshiba will be releasing the first HD-DVD players by Febuary for $499. Roughly 50 titles have been confirmed for the format so far, many of which are comming from Warner Brothers, New Line, and Mirimax etc... HD-DVD will display in 720p or 1080i, so it should look pretty.
- DL.TV didnt list a whole lot of information about Blu-Ray other than it will be expensive, and it wont go on sale untill summer at the earliest. Only 60 titles have been annouced so far for Blu-Ray, and it is a safe bet that the majority of them are from Sony Pictures. Considering that Blu-Ray recorders are selling for $4000 USD in Japan, players are going to be expensive as well... AOTS had put the price at $1800 for the Pioneer unit which last I herd was not due untill almost fall...
Ohh, and just for kicks, the Peter Moore CES Interview...
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Considering how many Blu-ray drives Sony will be producing with PS3, it will be DRAMATICALLY cheaper for Sony. Plus, when you consider the competion that will take place between the Sony camp (Blu-ray) and the Toshiba camp(HD-DVD), it's in Sony's favor to get out as much Blu-ray Disc players out as they can, even with considerable loss, so they can squeeze out the HD-DVD out of the market.
On the next gen DVD movie thing, I think Sony has a huge collection of movies already. Plus, they probably already own all of the MGM movies by now. MGM supposedly has a huge library of movies. That's Sony alone, right there.
One advantage I see on HD-DVD is the lower cost. But if Sony and their "Blu-ray" allies market theirs effectively, I think Blu-rays will dominate the HD-DVDs.
On the next gen DVD movie thing, I think Sony has a huge collection of movies already. Plus, they probably already own all of the MGM movies by now. MGM supposedly has a huge library of movies. That's Sony alone, right there.
One advantage I see on HD-DVD is the lower cost. But if Sony and their "Blu-ray" allies market theirs effectively, I think Blu-rays will dominate the HD-DVDs.
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I think your costs are way over inflated.YSSMAN
Right now, the Sharp BD-HD 100 has been available for one year. They first sold for $2899.99 US. It has a 160GB hard drive and a dual BD disk format BD recorder. It'll record to cased and case-less Blu-ray discs. Right now, it can be purchased for $1,699.99 US dollars.
There's no way that BD players will go over $800. Nobody would purchase one if it was that costly.
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Even if Blu-Ray sells for $800 USD, that is STILL twice as much as the early HD-DVD players. The thing about the HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray battle is the that the difference between the two are so close, not many people are going to be able to tell the difference, and therefore more people may opt for the HD-DVD option...
I'm siding with HD-DVD myself, not because thats the direction that Microsoft has taken, but because it is cheaper and it is much more applicable to where my technological limits are right now. Most people do not have TVs that will support 1080p like the Blu-Ray players will, so they arent even going to get the most out of their systems. More movie studios seems to be jumping on the HD-DVD bandwagon, and I think I will be ok without Spiderman (Sony) and James Bond (MGM) in HD.
I'm siding with HD-DVD myself, not because thats the direction that Microsoft has taken, but because it is cheaper and it is much more applicable to where my technological limits are right now. Most people do not have TVs that will support 1080p like the Blu-Ray players will, so they arent even going to get the most out of their systems. More movie studios seems to be jumping on the HD-DVD bandwagon, and I think I will be ok without Spiderman (Sony) and James Bond (MGM) in HD.
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Since I'm the resident exposure man, and I love to pull the BS card, I'm just going to go ahead and toss it at your feet.
You know entirely too little to even BEGIN to talk about both formats. First off, the COST of BD-Rom players NOW is high because they are READ AND WRITE players, and some include HDD's and other features. HD-DVD has simple offered STAND ALONE players which explains the COST. If you think for one moment that Sony and other hardware manufacturers will not offer the same, you are out of your mind.
Second, HD-DVD is currently farther ahead in it's production schedule than Blu-Ray is, which gives them a slight edge, but means nothing considering the HD-DVD camp has a lot less than half of the hardware support. Blu-Ray will have an abundance of players avilable, a much wider variety and selection of manufacturers than HD-DVD will have.
Also, funny you should mention features, because you seem to know nothing about blu-ray SUPPORTING 1080p. This means it's an OPTION noob. All players will be capable of supporting 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p. I will put money on that fact. Just as standard DVD players now can display both 480i or 480p, you have to set the options.
Anyway, I know this sounds like a jerk-ish post, but seriously, read a bit more about both before you make assumptions and analysis.
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Well I've decided to hold off on another 360 (I got one and sold it) until the HD systems come out. Sure it won't be till December but the Xbox is decent enough for now. I don't even want a PS3, I can't even forsee anything good for the system that is coming out that I would go out and spend 500 bucks or more for the system.
360 has a few titles I want but I can wait and by the time I get it the price of the games will be down.
360 has a few titles I want but I can wait and by the time I get it the price of the games will be down.
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Considering that most of the titles on the 360 now are available on all other consoles, and have fewer features, it really puzzles me as to how you can say the PS3 has nothing you want, yet the 360 seems "enticing" yet you sold yours....hmmm.
Some how I feel as though someone is playing favorites.
Both consoles have outstanding flagship titles coming out, the only difference between the two is that the PS3 has more exclusive flagship titles lined up (when I say flagship, I'm not catering to my tastes or yours, just the general public, meaning games that sell extremely well).
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...You mean games that sell extremely well because there is a PS2 in 1 out of every 3 homes in the United States? Hmmm, being that Sony sold 100 million PS2s worldwide, I would hope many of their franchises do well, espically when you consider how well-established they are as great franchises. Microsoft didnt have titles that date back to the era of NES like Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Castevania, etc. so Halo and PGR had to make a name for themselves by themselves with no previous record to go by.
That said, there is going to be a re-shuffle as to what titles are Sony or Microsoft exclusives. Konami had hinted in the past that MGS may soon go multi-platform, and the folks at Bioware said the Jade Empire sequal may also be on both the PS3 and 360 as well...
Weve only got a few months left to E3 before all-out war is going to be waged between Sony and Microsoft... And if were lucky, Sony might actually show some real gameplay footage!!!
...I kinda feel bad for Nintendo at this point...
That said, there is going to be a re-shuffle as to what titles are Sony or Microsoft exclusives. Konami had hinted in the past that MGS may soon go multi-platform, and the folks at Bioware said the Jade Empire sequal may also be on both the PS3 and 360 as well...
Weve only got a few months left to E3 before all-out war is going to be waged between Sony and Microsoft... And if were lucky, Sony might actually show some real gameplay footage!!!
...I kinda feel bad for Nintendo at this point...
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Key words being "I" in this. PGR3 is awesome and I want it, plus Oblivion is going to own my life. Also Forza 2 will kick ass when it does come out and of course I can't wait for Halo 3. All of which are Xbox only titles. Sure there are sports games but the only ones I really like are the Tiger Woods ones.
PS3 is going to have GT5 which isn't all that appealing to me and I don't think I'd buy a PS3 just for that.
So while many are cross titles, the Xbox has more sole titles that I want.
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Both consoles have made there mark on me so far (the titles and features of both systems are great) only problem I can see is gamming companies them selfs, both systems have the graphic power to create breath taking images in HD!, it will all be up to the games that come out (it has to be about more than just "profit"
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But you shouldn't. While Sony and Microsoft is going upscale on us, Nintendo isn't even trying to compete. X360 is becoming an entertainment center, it's getting more and more like PC/console hybrid. PS3 looks like it will be the cutting edge machine in console gaming, while adding the Blu-ray Disc capability, which will be huge to many people. As you've mentioned in your previous post, Blu-ray players will be pretty spendy. I think for many people, PS3 will be the cheapest way to own the Blu-ray DVD players for while, just like when the DVD players first caught on. I don't think there is anything wrong with either consoles, it's the next step in the evolution of the gaming consoles.YSSMAN
While the battle between these titans are taking place, Nintendo's "Revolution" isn't even offering high definition!
When you look at Nintendo's early strategy for their new system, in a way, it's very similar to what GameCube strategy "ended up" being. Revolution will be a gaming console, nothing more. With GameCube, they spent huge amounts of money trying to keep up with Sony and Microsoft(and they did a good job. GC is a very underated console), and wasn't very profitable for them. Now, they will just keep the developmental costs low, and will come out with the more innovative and powerful successor to the GameCube, rather than Nintendo's answer to PS3 and X360. In this round, Nintendo will steal few sales away from from Sony and Microsoft, but will not be competing "head to head" with them. Also, they will make real money this time with their "Revolution".
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I can easily say that it is more likely for me to buy a Revolution than the PS3, but I'm really not that sure. I didnt think I was going to buy all three of the major consoles back in 2000, but I did. I can easily say that the only appealing franchises on the Playstation anymore are indeed Gran Turismo and Katamari Damacy, Sly Cooper, and maybe Resident Evil... But I really could care less about Shadow of the Colosous (sp?), Metal Gear, and Final Fantasy. Grand Theft Auto used to be a Sony exclusive, but now that the titles have gone multi-platform, it doesnt matter a whole lot anymore, not to mention how horrible GTA:SA was...
E3 is gonna kick ass, no doubt about it.
E3 is gonna kick ass, no doubt about it.
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lol....
YOu probably haven't even played Shadow of the Colossus have you?
And nice of you to neglect these flagship titles:
Tekken
Virtua Fighter
Soul Calibur (possibly)
GTA (which has been stated to be EXCLISIVE to PS3)
Kingdom Hearts (awesome game)
Dragon Quest
God of War
Socom
Those are only a few, and all of those are high quality titles, which I'm sure you didn't play.
As far as GTA:SA goes, it was a great game, with massive amounts of content, how it was "horrible" I don't know, unless you're speaking purely from a social focus standpoint, which is ignorant in itself considering the two GTA's before it had their own focus on different parts of society, so to eclude any others would just be rediculous.
I'm going to take a lot of your opinoins as a grain of salt, as you're speaking out of an "I" standpoint, while I'm speaking for a community as a whole, on a much larger scale, which is waht really matters.
I mean, you can say what YOU think all day long, but numbers do the talking, even if YOU think there's "no reason to get a PS3" there are millions out there who would argue otherwise, and that's what matters. Because, when it boils down to it, you can still say what you want in a few years, but regardless of your opnion, as one person, the community as a whole will shape everything, and you will be irrelevant to that process.
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Actually, yes I have. I wassent that excited about it in the first place, and after I played it I came out feeling the same. Sure, there are all those Ico fans that went crazy over it, but its just not my thing.
Havent played Tekken in a while, but the only major improvements have been in the visual department. Dead or Alive and Soul Caliber were better games, so I have stuck with them.
The last Virtua figher I played was on Saturn at home and whatever one they had a Chuck E Cheeze a few years back. Again, DOA and Soul Caliber were said to be better than VF, so I had no reason to rush out and play them.
I played the hell out of Soul Caliber II on the PS2, XBOX, and GC... And I would almost put it at the top of fighting games if it were not for DOA, but nothing will ever top Street Fighter II.
Ive owned every GTA title that has come out on PS2, and GTA3 is undoubtedly my favorite of the new-age GTA titles. I thought that GTA:SA wassent that good because there wassent much to make it that special as compared to GTA:VC... Sure, there was the seamless world that you could go through, but there was little graphical improvement, and they cramed so much to do in the game it just got to the point where I didnt care anymore. Of course, that could be because Halo 2 came out at about the same time, but I left GTA:SA to be finished by my brother.
No, I have not played Kindom Hearts, and I have been meaning to... But the notion of wasting 40 hours on an RPG has always been a turn-off, espically in the Final Fantasy series... The only thing that gets me wanting to play Kingdom Hearts in the real time combat and inclusion of Disney characters.
Dragon Quest? Thats the one made by Square Enix that had the art done by the DBZ guy, right? Its in the same vein as FF and KH, RPGs arent my thing...
God of War was a title I got to play as a demo, and for a bit at a friends house, but I never got to take it home. It is undoubtedly one of the best games of 2005, and is as good (if not better due to lower difficulty) as Ninja Gaiden and it will be interesting to see what the God of War sequal on PS2 will be like.
SOCOM? Hmmm, I played the first one and didnt care too much for it. Ive been more of a Rainbow Six fan than SOCOM, but even then I have a greater preference twards Halo 2 and Unreal, the faster paced shooters. SOCOM is a good game if you are into that, and is amazingly good considering how bad the PS2 is with shooter titles... Of course that is a relative thing, as I have been spoiled by the XBOX...
Sony does have a good lineup if youre into RPGs and platformers, but to me they have lost a lot of their former greatness due mostly to the XBOX. I spend most of my time playing FPSs and racing titles, and although Playstation does have them, when was the last time you herd anyone say that Killzone was better than Halo 2 or Half-Life 2?
...Sure there is Gran Turismo, and it would be one of the few reasons why I would persue the purchase of a PS3, but Forza was just as good. Codemaster's TOCA Race Driver series is pretty outstanding and hugely underrated, and the same can be said for Rallisport Challenge. PGR is also another great title that could be overlooked, but it is hard to ignore as the best-looking game on 360.
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Hrm... the only thing going for Street Fighter is nostalgia. Virtua Fighter is a much better, more challenging and technically interesting game, in which you have fighting moves based on actual martial arts, not comic book DBZ gimmics. Plus SF III was awful. None of the new characters interested me at all, and the older versions with the better characters were... old. Tekken, Dead or Alive and Soul Caliber are much better games if you want flashy over the top stuff.
I'm one of the holdouts who hasn't been interested in the 360. I'm sure it's an awesome system, but I still haven't beaten all of Sonic Adenture on my Dreamcast. I have too many awesome games to want a console which might crash without warning.
Not to mention that the 360 has like one or two titles that interests me, and PGR3 appeals even less than GTR. I'm sure at some point that I'll have to get one, but why should I want a system which doesn't have a true killer game like GT5?
I'm one of the holdouts who hasn't been interested in the 360. I'm sure it's an awesome system, but I still haven't beaten all of Sonic Adenture on my Dreamcast. I have too many awesome games to want a console which might crash without warning.
Not to mention that the 360 has like one or two titles that interests me, and PGR3 appeals even less than GTR. I'm sure at some point that I'll have to get one, but why should I want a system which doesn't have a true killer game like GT5?
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Anyone who is use to Street Fighter(and anyother 2d fighting game) will undoubtly like thoughs types of games better (I don't like 3d fighters but, I will play anygame that has competition, and I own a few of the titles.). We can only hope they come out with more 2d fighters, who cares if they aren't as good looking as 3d games(its part of owr history/nes,snes,sega.)
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These are really the only two points in your post I have to seriously debate (aside from GTA:SA, which I will get into later).
First and foremost, Tekken is significantly more technical than DOA and Soul Caliber have ever been. The differences between Tekken 3, Tekken Tag, Tekken 4, and Tekken 5 are all huge, and each one plays different. Hell, even Tekken 5: Dark Ressurection plays different.
I'm just going to go on a limb and say you're knowledge of fighting titles is limited and you aren't very technical, otherwise you would never say anything positive about DOA, which is undoubetly the easiest fighter ever created, and most lack luster at that.
Each Tekken game has seen updates in mechanics, character properties, and physics (to an extent). If you don't play heavily, or understand the game, then there is no way for you to judge.
Now, onto GTA:SA. I find it amusing how you say "it was upgraded little graphically". From the start, Rockstar has not been about pushing the visuals to new heights, they have been about creating an immersive world filled with content and life. They want you to feel as though things are truely going on, and GTA:SA presented that in an outstanding way. For you to sit here and belittle a game that has by far, one of the most immersive interactive environments to DATE is just astounding to me. But I guess beggers will be choosers in this case.
As for PGR, yes, visually it's amazing, and very enjoyable, I played it a lot, but I feel as though Burnout is a significantly better racer, and overal a better game
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Frankly I'd like to immerse the entire GTA series in battery acid. What a load of poo.
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You are right when you say that I dont get very technical with Fighting Games. I'm there to play the game and enjoy the expirience with my brother or my friends, I'm not in it for tournament play. I'll openly admit that I'm not the best player of titles like DOA and Soul Caliber, but I still play them, win or loose...
But that is beside the point Mr. know-it-all. You had said earlier that:
GTA is a great franchise, but it has left me saying "Who Cares, whats next" because not much has changed. The story felt so similar between GTA3, VC, and SA... Hell, even some of the missions seemed to be copy and pasted into the game. Sure, it was "innovative" in allowing the player to further customise their avatar, worry about exercise and nutrition, and have the seamless environment... But to me and many of my friends who rushed out to buy the game, it came up short. GTA3 is a hard act to follow, sure, sand so was VC. But there were many fans of the franchise that were dissapointed, not sunshine and rainbows like it was in your world.
Since when was Burnout comparible to PGR in any way? The Burnout franchise is an all-out arcade racer while PGR is a bit more "sim oriented." Burnout 3 was good in it's own right, but a completely different title when compared to PGR. The only thing that have in common is the fact that they are racing games, and that both are fun to play.
But that is beside the point Mr. know-it-all. You had said earlier that:
How many of the millions of people who have bought fighters like DOA and Tekken actually play them for the "technical" aspects of the game? Not many I know...
GTA is a great franchise, but it has left me saying "Who Cares, whats next" because not much has changed. The story felt so similar between GTA3, VC, and SA... Hell, even some of the missions seemed to be copy and pasted into the game. Sure, it was "innovative" in allowing the player to further customise their avatar, worry about exercise and nutrition, and have the seamless environment... But to me and many of my friends who rushed out to buy the game, it came up short. GTA3 is a hard act to follow, sure, sand so was VC. But there were many fans of the franchise that were dissapointed, not sunshine and rainbows like it was in your world.
Since when was Burnout comparible to PGR in any way? The Burnout franchise is an all-out arcade racer while PGR is a bit more "sim oriented." Burnout 3 was good in it's own right, but a completely different title when compared to PGR. The only thing that have in common is the fact that they are racing games, and that both are fun to play.
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Because the GT series hasn't been all that appealing to me, I play it but I don't think they are the best. GT5 will have good graphics, more cars, and some other stuff but I'm not going to run out and buy a PS3 for it.
And out of the games you listed for flagship titles the only one that I would actually consider playing is God of War. The GTA series lost my intrest because its the same thing in a different time period. Kingdom Hearts sucked when I played it. I don't like fighting games...aside from the orignal Mortal Kombat. SOCOM isn't all that great, I like Ghost Recon better. Soul Caliber doesn't intrest me and neither does Dragon Quest.
But I just don't like the PS3 from what I've read, seen and heard about. Will it be a great system? No doubt, it's just not for me. I like the 360 a lot better not because it's better, I still think both systems are pretty close to the same, but because I think the 360 will have better games for my style of gaming.
