QX56 Vs. LR3 et all?

[Sage]

A S2K for $12k? It either has 1) 400,000 miles, or is 2) MAJORLY ff-ed up.

It has 20,000 miles, which is pretty good, but yeah, it's either messed up beyond belief or the owner's just stupid. I'd rather not deal with either.

I personally believe, as do the vast majority of human beings, that the current Expedition is probably the best-looking large SUV ever built, if not second to the 1995-2000 Chevrolet Tahoe.

I usually strongly disagree with your styling, uh, "evaluations" (), but I actually agree wholeheartedly with this one. At Ralphs yesterday, there was a 2004 or 2005 Expedition parked next to a previous-gen Expedition, and I thought, Wow, that new one looks so much cleaner than the older one. Ford's really got their styling down with the F-150 and Expedition. Too bad Dodge has been straying into "bubbly" territory lately.

Yeah - good deals, all, even if they're not too quick. You could also check out decent Jettas and Golfs, maybe even a PT Turbo or two. You can't go wrong with an SVT Focus, but you can go even LESS wrong with an '03 Maxima.

Yeah, PT Turbo is next on my research list.

(actually if you had $15k to spend on any model year, we'd be finding you a Mercedes C36 AMG right now)

I'm not paying the bills, so I can't complain.

 

[E55Power]

Good Lord that's a sexy car.

 

[Sage]

Lord, where's Duke? Sage will have to do.

Sage, we've finally found someone whose views on automotive styling are more screwed up than mine!

You've got competition!

 

[1X83Z]

I'm not paying the bills, so I can't complain.

Sage if I were you I'd complain like an intelligent person at a Jaguar dealer. 2003 or above? Come on! At least let me work with the 2001 Audi A4 here, if not the C36 or C43!

The new Expedition is indeed much cleaner than the outgoing model - same for the Ford Explorer (though the 1991-1994 Explorer is still the sexiest SUV ever).

 

[Sage]

Sage if I were you I'd complain like an intelligent person at a Jaguar dealer. 2003 or above? Come on! At least let me work with the 2001 Audi A4 here, if not the C36 or C43!

Question: Since an Audi should be made of a higher quality than a Ford, would a 2001 Audi A4 outlast a 2003 Focus SVT? That's the main reason he put that model year limit there – so that I'd get something that would last me as long as possible.

The new Expedition is indeed much cleaner than the outgoing model - same for the Ford Explorer (though the 1991-1994 Explorer is still the sexiest SUV ever).

Is that the one with the headlights that have the turn signals wrap around the sides and top of the main headlamp? I had an inexplicable fascination with those headlamps for years.

 

[E55Power]

Nah, Sage, I think you're thinking of the 95-02 explorer.

 

[E55Power]

M5 - What? ANYONE who doesn't think the LM002 is the sexiest SUV ever is out of their minds.

 

[1X83Z]

Question: Since an Audi should be made of a higher quality than a Ford, would a 2001 Audi A4 outlast a 2003 Focus SVT? That's the main reason he put that model year limit there – so that I'd get something that would last me as long as possible.

Yeah, I think the solid '01 A4 will definitely outlast that of the Mexican-made PT Cruiser or Mexican-made SVT Focus. People give Audi a lot of crap for reliability, but the first-generation A4, especially in later years, is solid as hell. And you can find some off-lease ones still around that you can even get a warranty on.

Is that the one with the headlights that have the turn signals wrap around the sides and top of the main headlamp? I had an inexplicable fascination with those headlamps for years.

1991-1994 Ford Explorer 5-door - "the best SUV ever" (according to me) (PS - that one's a 2WD; anyone know how I can tell?)

1995-2001 Ford Explorer 5-door

2002-_ Ford Explorer 5-door

 

[Sage]

Nah, Sage, I think you're thinking of the 95-02 explorer.

Ah, you're right. The only thing I see when I look at pictures of 1991-1994 Explorers is "Mazda Navajo".

 

[1X83Z]

M5 - What? ANYONE who doesn't think the LM002 is the sexiest SUV ever is out of their minds.

5900lbs, 6mpg, 0-60 in 8.6 seconds. Rarity does not equal sexiness - this does:

Ah, you're right. The only thing I see when I look at pictures of 1991-1994 Explorers is "Mazda Navajo".

Granted, one of the worst SUVs ever. And also, one of the worst rebadge jobs ever - they simply switched out Ford logos for Mazda logos, though they missed the one on the factory cassette player - so the Mazda Navajo's cassette player carried a Ford logo on it.

The hugely successful Ford Explorer has had four spinoffs, none of which have reached sales goals. You'd think they'd learn...

 

[E55Power]

M5, I was referring to the design, and concept. Its such much over the top overkill, it's sexy. Those tires must be 355's!

 

[McLaren]

M5 - What? ANYONE who doesn't think the LM002 is the sexiest SUV ever is out of their minds.

Its great, but I must be out of my mind, because I think their is far sexier SUVs out there, my favorite, the Range Rover.

 

[Sage]

Its such much over the top overkill

English, please!

 

[1X83Z]

M5, I was referring to the design, and concept. Its such much over the top overkill, it's sexy. Those tires must be 355's!

I think you like that Lamborghini badge on it - honestly, it doesn't do much for me. A Jeep Wrangler would school it offroad, and pretty much anything would take it for a ride on road. It's just bulky and overly-expensive; pretty average.

 

[E55Power]

I love it, I love it, I love it!

 

[McLaren]

I love it, I love it, I love it!

Again, I wouldn't mind owning it, but there is much better out there in design and performance and I think M5 will agree with me on the last part.

 

[1X83Z]

Yep - its acceleration is matched by most midsize SUVs, and its off-road ability is beaten out by vehicles which are far cheaper. Not to mention its extreme weight and absurd inefficiency. Really, it's horrible, except for that all-important (to some) Lamborghini badge.

 

[E55Power]

By no means is it a logical choice, evver, it's not the fastest, cheapest, or most capable.
I just like it because it looks Insane. Thats the only way to describe it.

 

[McLaren]

By no means is it a logical choice, evver, it's not the fastest, cheapest, or most capable.
I just like it because it looks Insane. Thats the only way to describe it.

Is it insane because its something no one would thought Lamborghini would produce or just the way it is to you?

Just a question.

 

[E55Power]

I personally think the styling is insane. That's all.

 

[McLaren]

I personally think the styling is insane. That's all.

Look at the styling of some of Lamborghini's past concepts from around the LM's time....Those were some INSANE designs....
4-seater gullwing Lamborghini...now that is insane.

 

[1X83Z]

By no means is it a logical choice, evver, it's not the fastest, cheapest, or most capable.
I just like it because it looks Insane. Thats the only way to describe it.

I swear if Hummer released a similar vehicle, you wouldn't be as enthralled.

 

[E55Power]

Yes, I think I would.

I love the new H1 Alpha. ...It's about time the H1 caught up with the times.

 

[emad]

I love it, I love it, I love it!

Sorry to interrupt, but I'm going to a Foo Figher's concert next week. My friends and I have come to the agreement that we must have whatever it is you're smoking to make the show more enjoyable

That said, I do think it was cool as a concept, but it sucked miserably in practice.

Sorry if I offended

*runs*

 

[a6m5]

That Lamborghini is a great looking truck. Some of you guys are mentioning the performance of that Lambo like it matters. That truck was around when I was in grade shool, and that was back in the early 80's! The truck is a dinosaur.

 

[Jondot]

The LR3 4WD HSE is $49k. The King Ranch Expedition 4WD is $48k.
Which is better?

Also: Am I right in assuming the RR Sport has 5 seats?

I know nothing, but from my point of view, i'd go for the landrover Purely because i like them.

The range rover, to my knowledge, has never had more than 5 seats in any form.