Lik SangFurthermore, Sony have failed to disclose to the London High Court that not only the world wide gaming community in more than 100 countries relied on Lik-Sang for their gaming needs, but also Sony Europe's very own top directors repeatedly got their Sony PSP hard or software imports in nicely packed Lik-Sang parcels with free Lik-Sang Mugs or Lik-Sang Badge Holders, starting just two days after Japan's official release, as early as 14th of December 2004 (more than nine months earlier than the legal action). The list of PSP related Sony Europe orders reads like the who's who of the videogames industry, and includes Ray Maguire (Managing Director, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Ltd), Alan Duncan (UK Marketing Director, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Ltd), Chris Sorrell (Creative Director, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Ltd), Rob Parkin (Development Director, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Limited), just to name a few.
Disappointing news. Despite my preference for Play Asia, having two major players in the market encouraged healthy competition. PA has recently closed their pre-orders on PS3, and it will be most interesting to see if they choose to ship to customers in the EU.Lik-Sang is no more.![]()
Sony gets the money anyway.While I love Lik-Sang, I cannot defend it. It was selling Sony products on the grey-market not authorized by Sony itself.
/\ Good point, but is Sony going to go after Gameshark because its a grey area to allow swap disc'ing. And same as lik-sang, they are helping to increase market share to the imo always short-changed (and Sony's only to blame i.e. ps3) European market, just like there is a market for people who enjoy cheat codes, but should game shark go down too for example? Why stop there, what about the grey ebay market? What do you think?
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Disappointing news. Despite my preference for Play Asia, having two major players in the market encouraged healthy competition. PA has recently closed their pre-orders on PS3, and it will be most interesting to see if they choose to ship to customers in the EU.
They can still region lock it, even when the consoles themselves don't support it?This is only half the truth unfortunately. Games can still have a region code lock, it's up the publishers. Just like with the Xbox360....
They can still region lock it, even when the consoles themselves don't support it?
As for the discussion at hand, I'm with you. I must admit, I see where Sony is coming from. No, I'm not talking about Japanese electronics burning down peoples' homes. I've used countless Japanese domestic electronics where I live, since I was a kid. Not one issue. But Sony definitely have the legal right to stop gray importing. They are licensed products, afterall.
I disagree with them, because I think Sony's legal right conflict with my right. Since I'm from Japan, I used to run into this problem, all the time. I've gotten electronics from Japan, but I would use them in the States. CDs, VHSs(like I said, when I was kid), no problems. But when it came to gaming machines excluding gameboy games, I couldn't get any new games for them. So, I did rely on some gray importing to get additional games. And it's not like Nintendo had a program to buy back my Super Famicom and games and replace them with the SNES version. Some games were in Japanese, and I couldn't even understand English back then.
So basically, I'm going to say, "hey, Sony has every right", while I will stab them in the back the first chance I get.![]()
PS3LandSony: "We didn't shut Lik-Sang down"
by Dusty Stokes
In response to a press announcement made earlier today by Lik-Sang, Sony has made an announcement of their own, countering the notion that they are responsible for the closing the online retailer.
According to Sony, Lik-Sang didn't show at court and has yet to suffer any legal costs. However, Sony did make it clear that they have won substantial costs that have yet to be paid, and they are quick to note that they have no hand in the closing of the online store.
This whole situation is reminiscent of a past incident that Lik-Sang was involved in. In 2002, there was pressure from Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft over the sales of illegal "Mod" chips.
Sony has also responded to the list of SCEE executives, released by Lik-Sang, who had allegedly bought imported PSPs from the site. Sony stated that the list of Sony execs that are claimed to have imported PSP's should never have been released, as it is an infringement on "data protection principles across the world."
Be sure to check back for more updates on this dispute.
I'm like that wife who gets beaten up by her husband all the time and who just doesn't leave him ... well, maybe apart from the fact, that Sony doesn't pretend to stop any time soon[/B]![]()
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They can still region lock it, even when the consoles themselves don't support it?
As for the discussion at hand, I'm with you. I must admit, I see where Sony is coming from. No, I'm not talking about Japanese electronics burning down peoples' homes. I've used countless Japanese domestic electronics where I live, since I was a kid. Not one issue. But Sony definitely have the legal right to stop gray importing. They are licensed products, afterall.
I disagree with them, because I think Sony's legal right conflict with my right. Since I'm from Japan, I used to run into this problem, all the time. I've gotten electronics from Japan, but I would use them in the States. CDs, VHSs(like I said, when I was kid), no problems. But when it came to gaming machines excluding gameboy games, I couldn't get any new games for them. So, I did rely on some gray importing to get additional games. And it's not like Nintendo had a program to buy back my Super Famicom and games and replace them with the SNES version. Some games were in Japanese, and I couldn't even understand English back then.
So basically, I'm going to say, "hey, Sony has every right", while I will stab them in the back the first chance I get.![]()
Sure, importing is bad and all. Especially when it happens to Sony.Profit is the name of the game, and if you jack holes were running a business, you wouldn't be all peaches and cream about loosing money, it wouldn't be all flowers and big eye'd birds when the fat lady started singing and you were losing money.
Seriously, you guy's have no clue at all do you? You think that importing is just a fad that has no effect on a business, this hurts them a lot, esp stocks and sales margins...freakin n00bs.
I understand that, and agree with most of your post, except for the "hurts them a lot" part. I see it as "Sony getting annoyed by a company who's getting a free ride off of their product".You all do realize that Sony does this to maintain a profit, because before they are your friend, they are in fact a BUSINESS. Profit is the name of the game, and if you jack holes were running a business, you wouldn't be all peaches and cream about loosing money, it wouldn't be all flowers and big eye'd birds when the fat lady started singing and you were losing money.
Seriously, you guy's have no clue at all do you? You think that importing is just a fad that has no effect on a business, this hurts them a lot, esp stocks and sales margins...freakin n00bs.
Do pay attention. We are talking about the PS3, not the overpriced Jack-of-No-trades. And I'm sure it didn't coincide with the best wishes of Sega, Nintendo or Microsoft either, but they didn't sue over it, because they still made money on it. And with the exception of Mercedes (which was for a totally different reason), no one in the automobile industry has ever sued an importer for bringing cars into the country and it was done before video games were even a pipe dream.Jeremy RicciSure, you're probably saying "well it couldn't have hurt that bad, look at PS2". PS2 sold enough to more than eliminate all the fautls of importing. HOwever, the PSP has not, and does not, and that is very evident, as Sony continued to lose money over imports and items sitting on shelves due to it being region free. Fact is, it's against the law, and it doesn't coincide with the best wishes of Sony.
However, Nintendo and Microsoft were suing Lik Sang (in addition to Sony, mind you) over the sale of mod chips. They weren't suing Lik Sang over the sale of imported items, which is what Sony was doing.Also, I love how everyone ignores that both Microsoft and Nintendo also delt blows that compiled to a nice chunk of change, and also contributed to this ultimate outcome.
Well, then Sony should not have broke the law by allowing its employees to have relations with Lik Sang.Jeremy RicciLik-Sang was already a rock in a hard place, and this was simply icing on the cake, theyd' broken lots of laws before, and this was just the last straw, but they felt the need to publicly address sony (and break the law once again in the process, violating users digital privacy rights).
Well, then Sony should not have broke the law by allowing its employees to have relations with Lik Sang.[/SIZE][/FONT]
Well, oh smartest of asses, if Lik Sang was doing something illegal by selling grey market goods, would not the buyers be liable as well regardless of where they worked? Furthermore, if buying the product from an importer breaks no laws than it is just stupid to say that selling the product does break laws.Jeremy RicciI seemed to have forgotten where the law said it was illegal for an employee of said company to buy a product from said company from someone else...please, refresh my memory oh legal master of wisdom...
Oh, I don't know about that. Perhaps if you were to cite legal precedents, explain the EU laws surrounding the matter or basically say something besides "Sony is doing it, so it must be right," I wouldn't think so much that Sony is giving importers the finger because they don't want their precious short-changed 2/3 worldwide launch to suffer. Other than perhaps sales diminished of the PS3 in America (which would admittedly be very sparse, as the PS3 would be expensive to import), I fail to see why them selling PS3's in Europe is bad for Sony as a company, or why it is illegal (and I did look up Exhaustion of Rights and it only muddled the area further). Why don't you explain why Sony doesn't warn to sue Ebay and Amazon as well? This was merely Sony's personal grudge against importers when the PSP started tanking compared to the figures Sony wanted. The problem is, though, that there were enough PSP's produced to actually cause problems in foreign markets. There will not be enough PS3's to import at any scale near what the PSP.Jeremy RicciI'm done, obviously you're sense of self worth is too high, and you think you need a silver platter from all business and that them wanting to preserve and maintain their profit margins is bad...nothing is going to get through that thick skull of yours.
I never thought about this from that angle. Good point. I was thinking, "freakin n00b" about you, but I'll take that back.It hurts them beyond profits, it hurts them in quarterly projections, stocks, and market share for certain regions.
Sure, you're probably saying "well it couldn't have hurt that bad, look at PS2". PS2 sold enough to more than eliminate all the fautls of importing. HOwever, the PSP has not, and does not, and that is very evident, as Sony continued to lose money over imports and items sitting on shelves due to it being region free. Fact is, it's against the law, and it doesn't coincide with the best wishes of Sony.
Indeed I am. I'm looking around but I may leave it 'til next years UK release.lol, Sony Europe directors import their PSPs from Lik-sang yet sue them for giving this service to the public.
slackbladder, are you looking for the American FFXII release?
You all do realize that Sony does this to maintain a profit, because before they are your friend, they are in fact a BUSINESS. Profit is the name of the game, and if you jack holes were running a business, you wouldn't be all peaches and cream about loosing money, it wouldn't be all flowers and big eye'd birds when the fat lady started singing and you were losing money.
Seriously, you guy's have no clue at all do you? You think that importing is just a fad that has no effect on a business, this hurts them a lot, esp stocks and sales margins...freakin n00bs.
It hurts them beyond profits, it hurts them in quarterly projections, stocks, and market share for certain regions.
Sure, you're probably saying "well it couldn't have hurt that bad, look at PS2". PS2 sold enough to more than eliminate all the fautls of importing. HOwever, the PSP has not, and does not, and that is very evident, as Sony continued to lose money over imports and items sitting on shelves due to it being region free. Fact is, it's against the law, and it doesn't coincide with the best wishes of Sony.
Also, I love how everyone ignores that both Microsoft and Nintendo also delt blows that compiled to a nice chunk of change, and also contributed to this ultimate outcome. Lik-Sang was already a rock in a hard place, and this was simply icing on the cake, theyd' broken lots of laws before, and this was just the last straw, but they felt the need to publicly address sony (and break the law once again in the process, violating users digital privacy rights).
I seemed to have forgotten where the law said it was illegal for an employee of said company to buy a product from said company from someone else...please, refresh my memory oh legal master of wisdom...