How is everyone on RH tires any more even than everyone on RS tires?It tends to even the playing field.
How is everyone on RH tires any more even than everyone on RS tires?
Come race with us at the Le Mans! Club every Saturday. We allow soft tires, just like Formula 1 racing does and all the other forms of racing. We also allow traction, etc.. If the cars handle different online then offline, who is to say what is more REAL? The link is in my sig.
It's because there is too much grip on racing softs. It's an unrealistic amount of grip.
In A-Spec, sure. But there's a 12 page thread full of people who will definitely tell you that the handling/tires/lag are not very congruent online with how things should be. If a car that should be able to take a given turn at full throttle on sport tires can't even manage to take the same turn at full throttle using racing tires online; then I'd say the stickiest tires are what we need to make up for the inconsistent handling physics. I for one can definitely tell a difference, as it feels like RS tires online sometimes don't even handle as well as SS tires offline in a same car/same track situation.It's because there is too much grip on racing softs. It's an unrealistic amount of grip.
In lower powered cars sure, and I have no objection to restricting RS tires in a race full of <300hp cars. But anything over 500hp is practically undrivable online without RS tires, even with very delicate throttle modulation. JGTC cars for instance, are purpose built race cars... and even in a banked corner where the tires should be loaded well and the speed is sufficient enough to provide plenty of downforce the car is still sometimes more of a handful than the same car/same corner using SS when offline.It basically neutralises many corners where you can just apply full power and steer, whereas in real life it would be a delicate balance of the car on the throttle and feeling for how much grip you have.
THAT... is actually what SRF does. And yeah, SRF is absolutely the easy button of GT5.Racing softs essentially put your car on rails, it masks a poor driver by giving him enough grip that he won't spin out even if he applies full lock and full throttle out of a corner. That's really never the case in racing and real life (except the fast corners where aerodynamic effects come into play)
Now that makes plenty of sense. And again, SRF does the exact same thing... I know for a fact that I am VERY quick with a specific car on the Ring due to having done so many laps. My friends (who are all pretty quick) and I were doing a 1 make race one night and some kid was in there and while I was 15 seconds ahead of the rest of the field by the end of lap 1 he was an additional 30 seconds ahead of me. Turns out he was using SRF of course, so we ran another single lap right after that race with all the aids off... naturally, he ran off course within the first 30 seconds and was constantly falling behind the rest of us.I would say that racing softs actually does make the field closer, cause skilled drivers shine less when everyone else gets given bigger margins to play with.
Turbo posted while I was typing my diatribe. This is what I meant... any NON race car on race tires is far too unrealistic. And while race cars should be able to use ALL the racing tires at their disposal for pit strategy reasons, the higher HP cars just do not handle properly enough online with anything other than soft.It's all about the sport tires for me, especially for street cars.
Cannot see what people have against soft tyres, if you have spent a lot of money on the car I would want the best tyres to put that power to the road and make best use of my car. Racing is about winning and lap times and going faster and faster, why would you want to handicap yourself and slow yourself down.
But anything over 500hp is practically undrivable online without RS tires
Thanks for the info. I know that the RS tires are a bit overdone, but I didn't realize they were that far off from reality. I am curious though, are those people using TCS? And I'm not going to claim that I know what I'm talking about, so I'm also going to ask if they use TCS in the SuperGT series. My gut says that in true racing like SuperGT there are no assists, and I find it extremely difficult to control those cars on RH tires with no assists. I'm also not a race car driver, so there's that.However, I do know for a fact that in one online SuperGT race the laptimes recorded at Fuji by the players on RS tyres were like 3-4 seconds faster than laptimes I found from onboard footage on youtube for real SuperGT cars.
I kind of was trying to make a point. But as I just mentioned, I'm no race driver... so 500hp cars being nigh uncontrollable for me is probably exact. That actually does sound challenging and fun. Maybe I'll get a few buddies together for a JGTC race on CH tires for a good laugh. 👍That is hugely exaggerated. Even if you were just trying to make a point, that's not right. Any tire is fine for online. I've hosted and raced a few comfort tire races in street cars with 600+ hp and it was some of the best racing that the game has offered.
I agree that the tire modeling in GT5 is not perfect, but raising grip to the max doesn't mean you're any closer to reality. The only thing that will fix issue like grip is a better tire model, not better in game tires.
Well the online race was run with all assists off.
In the real world there are no assists either![]()
The cars act different online then offline. Which one of those two very different race characterisitcs is like the "real world"? In the real world, street cars come equipped with traction control and stability control to make them go faster. Some cars, like the EVO 10, have a traction control system that electronically control each wheel so they could, depending on conditions, be all at different speeds.
In this game, people turn off traction control because they think its real racing and they can go faster. In real life, race drivers have illegally used traction control because they can go faster with it, its an advantage. If people are going faster in races (not drag races) in GT5 with it off, then its not realistic.
This article will explain that since the electronic means of traction control is banned in racing because it gives drivers an edge, that other legal things like soft tires are used instead.
http://www.circletrack.com/chassistech/ctrp_0907_race_car_traction_control/index.html
That is what bugs me and I do like driving on any tyre, but am not arragont enough to undermine peoples driving and call mine excellent. This is the game, they are there to be used if that races rules allow end of. Slicks cover up a bad tune, how? tyres are part of a tune, Nascar, F1 try to push as close to the boundarys of their regs as possible in their tune and tech. If I go online and the rules allow and the laps is within what RS will give they will go on, why not.
I meant the regulations in the SuperGT prohibit forms of TC and whatnot. Since the online race series is trying to replicate SuperGT racing, it makes sense to emulate their regulations, and to try and match the real laptimes by using Racing Hard tyres (because when using Racing Soft tyres, the lap times are far too quick compared to real life, hence, they must be providing an unrealistic amount of grip).