Racing Softs looked down upon?

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I'm weaning myself off ABS. Nearly there. The only problem I have is that on some cars, the effect is over the top & totally unrealistic. (i.e. Instantaneous wild spins.) Apart from that, I'm finding it fun & it certainly makes you more drive more carefully. (I use a sponge ball taped behind the brake pedal for some resistance - I find it prevents me from mashing the brakes.)

Back on topic, I personally only use RS tyres in very high PP race cars & even then, whether I use them or not depends on the race/competition.

Maybe putting RS tires could help practicing with no ABS, and the wild spins probably due to too much rear bias or brake force. I rarely having such issue like spinning out when braking, just have to be smooth and careful with the braking in low speeds. When I do spins or getting sideways, usually I brake too late and too aggressive with the brake.

Guess nothing that practice can't cure :) When I 1st practice no ABS, I did put RS tires on some cars that hard to tame, RS tires is harder to lock up, another benefit besides super grip.
 
I'm starting to see the preachy holier than thou no racing softs no abs users as a bit like non-smokers who used to smoke and now spend an inordinate amount of time telling smokers how they should also quit, truly some the most annoying people you'll ever have the misfortune of meeting.
 
Now, the real question ... Why does everyone who used to drive with ABS having a hard time about no ABS ?
It probably has to do with how the people who do drive without it won't shut up about it, including but not limited to intentionally derailing topics that are only vaguely related to ABS to talk up how awesome driving without it is and how much you are cheating yourself by not turning it off.


As you've done incessantly for the past 24 hours.
 
It probably has to do with how the people who do drive without it won't shut up about it, including but not limited to intentionally derailing topics that are only vaguely related to ABS to talk up how awesome driving without it is and how much you are cheating yourself by not turning it off.


As you've done incessantly for the past 24 hours.

Frustrated over something that does not even relate to you ? I never even mention the word "cheating". You can say whatever you like, I won't change the way I do as long it does not breach the AUP, thanks.
 
Toronado
It probably has to do with how the people who do drive without it won't shut up about it, including but not limited to intentionally derailing topics that are only vaguely related to ABS to talk up how awesome driving without it is and how much you are cheating yourself by not turning it off.

As you've done incessantly for the past 24 hours.

Exactly! This is why I won't quit smoking, fear of becoming an annoying preachy ex smoker.
Its the same principle.
 
Frustrated over something that does not even relate to you ?
It relates to me when I go into a completely unrelated thread and see you posting the same crap because you post it everywhere regardless of what the thread is about.

You can say whatever you like, I won't change the way I do as long it does not breach the AUP, thanks.
Then expect to be reported for off-topic spam and intentionally taking threads off topic when you do it from now on. Thanks.
 
It relates to me when I go into a completely unrelated thread and see you posting the same crap because you post it everywhere regardless of what the thread is about.


Then expect to be reported for off-topic spam and intentionally taking threads off topic when you do it from now on. Thanks.

Do as you please sir:tup:
 
I'm starting to see the preachy holier than thou no racing softs no abs users as a bit like non-smokers who used to smoke and now spend an inordinate amount of time telling smokers how they should also quit, truly some the most annoying people you'll ever have the misfortune of meeting.


I don't see anyone telling anyone else what they should do in this or the ABS 0 threads. Why do folks think they're being admonished because of their choice of aids or tires? Why feel threatened by some else's preferences?


I sure had a real hard time adjusting to dropping driving aids one by one but found it a natural progression as my skills improved. Used SRF for months and the only way I could keep a street car pointed forward online was with Racing Softs. Started in 450PP rooms on RS's and had a blast. Never felt the least bit guilty of being a "lesser" player. I love pushing a high powered race car to its limits on RS's especially now that tire wear has increased dramatically. It's a blast pushing your limits and I'm amazed by some folks abilities on RS's.

It's only natural that with significent GT5 track time comes the desire to try new things to make it more challenging. If not for the threads about tires and their real life counterparts I'd have stuck to maxing out my street cars and running the stickiest tires possible. At least If I wanted to stay competitive in the majority of online pub lobbies.

Personally I decided I wanted to get the most realism out of GT5 and with that came doing research on what constitutes "realism" from more experienced people. Just how I want to play now not some elitist nonsense.

Guys who post up how to use unpopular or underutilized aids are a community asset. ABS 0 is extremely tricky to the unitiated especially with the default brake settings and that nearly every tune posted on this site is based on ABS 1. If not for those threads I'm sure not that many casual gamers like myself would have the confidence to keep trying. But yeah, this thread was about tires and some perceived disdain from the GT5 elitists.

Quite frankly all the petty finger pointing gets real old when you're just trying to get some information. But this thread was kinda asking for it with the title, heh.
 
I used to run with ABS 1, but have recently switched to setting ABS to 10, that's right 10. Wow! What a difference! It's like a whole new game! So much more realistic! Now I think I'll convince everyone on GT Planet to run with ABS 10, cos I like it so much! Racing Softs with ABS set to 10 is a killer combo, woohoo!


PS: Looked for an "Ironic Smiley" but couldn't find one. ;)
 
Guys who post up how to use unpopular or underutilized aids are a community asset.

I don't even agree with this, but lets just say i did.

The reason GT5 is a good forum, is because it isn't filled (for the most part) with whiny little brats who flood it with useless and horrible information, Constantly.

Take a look at some other threads^^

I'm reminded of people that go door to door or walk around in public trying to convert people to their religion.
 
I don't even agree with this, but lets just say i did.

The reason GT5 is a good forum, is because it isn't filled (for the most part) with whiny little brats who flood it with useless and horrible information, Constantly.

Take a look at some other threads^^

I'm reminded of people that go door to door or walk around in public trying to convert people to their religion.

Fair enough. I don't that spend much time reading threads I'm not interested in.
 
If I am to hammer on about an issue such as RS tyres, SRF and other aids, my intention would be more to spreed and share the very different feeling and sensation that you get by forbidding the above, especially to those that are stuck in their ways by ONLY using RS tyres and using all aids/auto/etc, for these guys will never understand the vast changes by description alone.

This is not to say that using the above eliminates fun, it just creates a different type of fun. In my opinion, it creates a less realistic feel, but you can still have a good time with it. I do happen to think that switiching everything off and running on stock tyres provides a more exhilarating experience, however. It's the feeling of total freedom and control, and the feedback you get from the game (especially with a wheel) that tickles my gentleman's bits, rather than a more 'on the rails' feel by having all aids on and RS tyres.

I don't understand why some people get so defensive about using RS tyres and aids and simply refuse to play the game any other way. By trying it and learning how the physics vastly change, you never know, you might grow to like it more like most of the other guys who will never look back again.

I still join the occasional high PP, RS's with SRF enabled rooms every now and then, but it's not for me. I suppose some of us "elitist" just want other people to share the great experience that can be had and not be so stubborn as to stick to one method of getting through the game. I whizzed through the game's offline portion and spent my first few months online by maxing out my cars and slapping on racing slicks on to everything, and regret doing so now, I missed out on a lot by doing so.

I do agree that there is such a thing as dragging it out too much, however, but this debate wll probably never die.
 
Lewis_Hamilton_
If I am to hammer on about an issue such as RS tyres, SRF and other aids, my intention would be more to spreed and share the very different feeling and sensation that you get by forbidding the above, especially to those that are stuck in their ways by ONLY using RS tyres and using all aids/auto/etc.

This is not to say that using the above eliminates fun, it just creates a different type of fun. In my opinion, it creates a less realistic feel, but you can still have a good time with it. I do happen to think that switiching everything off and running on stock tyres provides a more exhilarating experience, however. It's the feeling of total freedom and control, and the feedback you get from the game (especially with a wheel) that tickles my gentleman's bits, rather than a more 'on the rails' feel by having all aids on and RS tyres.

I don't understand why some people get so defensive about using RS tyres and aids and simply refuse to play the game any other way. By trying it and learning how the physics vastly change, you never know, you might grow to like it more like most of the other guys who will never look back again.

I still join the occasional high PP, RS's with SRF enabled rooms every now and then, but it's not for me. I suppose some of us "elitist" just want other people to share the great experience that can be had and not be so stubborn as to stick to one method of getting through the game. I whizzed through the game's offline portion and spent my first few months online by maxing out my cars and slapping on racing slicks on to everything, and regret doing so now, I missed out on a lot by doing so.

I do agree that there is such a thing as dragging it out too much, however, but this debate wll probably never die.

That's about the same experience for me but i will hardly ever use ABS0!

My car has no ABS, its a 1.4 Fiesta so 'elitist' will probably say it has CH or CM real life to game tyres.

Now if ibrake even with 1/1 brake balance, the car (Corsa 1.4 in game as closest to mine) will just skid, in real life i can slam the brakes on as hard as i can and only maybe 10% of the time will it skid, and when it does, it is a tiny bit, nothing like GT5 so ABS 1 in my eyes is more real.
 
Can't say I've experienced that myself, Phil. My first car years back was a 1.5 Nissan Almera, and it didn't take much to lock up the wheels in that. On GT5, I don't usually experience lock up with a B/B of 3 and below unless braking from full speed. Even having the front wheels slightly pointed in one direction greatly increases the chance of lock up though, so usually I brake heavily in a straight line until nearing the apex and at the same time the point of lock up, and then ease off the brakes slightly. also gives the rear end a nice little kick to point the car around the corner.
 
I was hoping beyond hoping that you guys wouldn't team up.

Lewis hamilton, we disagree a lot, and we have had our fair share of arguments.

But i have a completely new found respect for you because, even though we don't agree. You can at least read what i say, and respond to it accordingly.

I will never ever take that for granted again in my life.

PS. thanks for avoiding the 5 letter S word haha.
 
Lewis_Hamilton_
Can't say I've experienced that myself, Phil. My first car years back was a 1.5 Nissan Almera, and it didn't take much to lock up the wheels in that. On GT5, I don't usually experience lock up with a B/B of 3 and below unless braking from full speed. Even having the front wheels slightly pointed in one direction greatly increases the chance of lock up though, so usually I brake heavily in a straight line until nearing the apex and at the same time the point of lock up, and then ease off the brakes slightly. also gives the rear end a nice little kick to point the car around the corner.

Its my 1st car and its the Zetec model so it comes on wider 185 tyres so that may be something to do with it.
But i remember my driving lesson/test car, lol, a 1.0 chevrolet matiz, the skinny thing, and that never skidded either when emergency stopping but then again that was only 30ish mph.

I need to drive more real life cars!

Oh btw, i use pad coz my DFGT pedals broke so i think it would be easier to modulate with pedals but unfortunately I never tried it when it was working.
 
I need to drive more real life cars!

If you do that then you will find out how they handle nothing at all like they do in this game, you will then see just how silly all this "realism" bickering truly is :)
 
If you do that then you will find out how they handle nothing at all like they do in this game, you will then see just how silly all this "realism" bickering truly is :)

all the more reason to try to take every action to increase the realism, wouldn't you say?
 
Here's my 2 cents; everyones a badass, no-one uses any aids. You all could beat lewis hamilton IRL with a prius, stock running CS tires.

It's a game, get over yourselves. This kind of elitism is why i left this site awhile ago. Looks like i came back too soon.
 
Mr-McNUGGET
Here's my 2 cents; everyones a badass, no-one uses any aids. You all could beat lewis hamilton IRL with a prius, stock running CS tires.

It's a game, get over yourselves. This kind of elitism is why i left this site awhile ago. Looks like i came back too soon.

Who said that?
 
all the more reason to try to take every action to increase the realism, wouldn't you say?

Yes...and no...all depends on what one is looking to get out of the game. In my opinion, if you are getting hours of enjoyment and having fun then you are doin' it right, however you are doing it.
Also my opinion that it is all these holier than thou, better/faster than you, my way is the only way idiots that makes these boards such a pain in the arse.
 
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