Return of the Murcielago SV (Promo. Vid Post 133)

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harrytuttle
I like it, but when something weighs near 3,700 lbs., is a 220 lb. difference going to affect much? Plus 4.6% power, minus 5.6% weight, plus what-% price? I'm guessing at least 30%. Is it going to be 30% more fun? I doubt it will be a duffer, but it's not like moving from a R/T to an SRT8 (replace with your upgrade of choice). Still...looks like hell on wheels...like a Lamborghini should. :)
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If you're curious about the price over the LP640 Coupe, I don't know the exact MSRP (I'll let you know though) right now, but the LP640 Coupe retails for $345,000. Roy had his SV built out to the option sheet, and it came to just under $475K with his options.

And Brad, I don't know the exact cost, but yes, you can pay them to make the SV logo larger. 👍
 
And thus adds the final dilution of the Lamborghini namesake. First it was the Lambo door's that used to be reserved for the V12 Lambo's (thanks Gallardo), now it's an AWD SV. Ohh well.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm a die hard Lamborghini fan from the days of Need for Speed III.

Anyway I like the SV style interior but I hate all those carbon bit's sticking off it. I much prefer the LP560-4 Gallardo.
 
CamryFan
And thus adds the final dilution of the Lamborghini namesake. First it was the Lambo door's that used to be reserved for the V12 Lambo's (thanks Gallardo), now it's an AWD SV. Ohh well.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm a die hard Lamborghini fan from the days of Need for Speed III.

Anyway I like the SV style interior but I hate all those carbon bit's sticking off it. I much prefer the LP560-4 Gallardo.
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Um, the Gallardo doesn't have scissor doors.
 
No it doesn't.
 
No it doesn't. If it did, the old Hamann Spyder wouldn't be notable for having the doors converted into scissor doors (even though those weren't really scissor doors anyways).
 
It's a nice enough car, the chin is a bit daft-looking, but the main point that ruins this car for me is it being AWD and not RWD. Such a shame!
 
exigeracer
Those numbers add up to a 12% gain in power-to-weight. I don't think that it will only cost 12% more, I'm sure it'll be at least 35% more, but it's a Lamborghini. These numbers don't mean anything at all. The power-weight ratio increase is more force to an already-extremely ample supply, which is all that matters.
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Build a limited number of special edition exotics and they will all sell, no matter the price. If you have to ask (the price), you aren't a potential buyer anyway.
 
harrytuttle
I like it, but when something weighs near 3,700 lbs., is a 220 lb. difference going to affect much? Plus 4.6% power, minus 5.6% weight, plus what-% price? I'm guessing at least 30%. Is it going to be 30% more fun?
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Is a base LP640 300% more fun than a Dodge Viper? You can't really quantify these things.
 
Imakuni
It's a nice enough car, the chin is a bit daft-looking, but the main point that ruins this car for me is it being AWD and not RWD. Such a shame!
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Well, besides the fact it drives like a RWD (I've seen one just give it just enough power to get a tad sideways through an intersection last Dec.), there are ways of converting the power to go straight to rear, and not the front. Expensive & resale value killer though.
 
Reventón;3325552
Well, besides the fact it drives like a RWD (I've seen one just give it just enough power to get a tad sideways through an intersection last Dec.), there are ways of converting the power to go straight to rear, and not the front. Expensive & resale value killer though.
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So because it got sideways it's a fact that it drives like a RWD? So Imprezas/Evos, etc drive like a RWD?

I repeat, it's AWD (with all the added weight and parasitic loss of an AWD drivetrain) and not RWD. I don't care for faking that it's a RWD, because it's not. It should come from the factory as RWD and only RWD.
 
I believe all of the cars use active differentials, and while I do not believe that the Lambo is re-programmable like the Evo and STi, it comes out of the factory with a heavy bias towards RWD in power delivery (someone correct me if I'm wrong). That gives it the ability to drive like a RWD car on occasion, but certainly, its far more stable than a 100% RWD version.
 
It'll also be good in the snow! 👍
 
Imakuni
So because it got sideways it's a fact that it drives like a RWD? So Imprezas/Evos, etc drive like a RWD?
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No, because those cars are not setup like the Murcielago. Any owner will tell you the car drives like a RWD car will at certain times. The VT system only makes itself known to the owner when the car is being pushed to the limits.
I repeat, it's AWD (with all the added weight and parasitic loss of an AWD drivetrain) and not RWD. I don't care for faking that it's a RWD, because it's not. It should come from the factory as RWD and only RWD.
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I never said it wasn't. I said it drives like a RWD car. Lamborghini did not intend it do so, but it does. The only reason it retains AWD is because of Audi.

Edit* Brad is right; the heavy bias in power delivery causes the effect. I'm not saying it drives 100% like a RWD car will all day, every day, but giving it little bit of throttle here & there shows it can in the right situation.
 
Reventón;3325668
No, because those cars are not setup like the Murcielago. Any owner will tell you the car drives like a RWD car will at certain times. The VT system only makes itself known to the owner when the car is being pushed to the limits.

I never said it wasn't. I said it drives like a RWD car. Lamborghini did not intend it do so, but it does. The only reason it retains AWD is because of Audi.

Edit* Brad is right; the heavy bias in power delivery causes the effect. I'm not saying it drives 100% like a RWD car will all day, every day, but giving it little bit of throttle here & there shows it can in the right situation.
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I think you're missing my point, the SV badge should NEVER have been used on an AWD vehicle, no matter how rear-biased said AWD system is.
 
Personally, I really don't think the Super Veloce name should require a particular layout. It implies that it is the fastest, and therefore, it is. Rear-bias AWD and all that, its still more than enough for it to climb to the peak of the mountain in its performing class. Against the ZR1, ACR, 599 HGTE, GT2 and the like... Chances are, the SV will still outgun them, driving like a RWD car the entire time.
 
Imakuni
I think you're missing my point, the SV badge should NEVER have been used on an AWD vehicle, no matter how rear-biased said AWD system is.
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The SV badge has nothing to do with drivetrain. It was a trim for the Diablo that was intent for a more raw & demanding model. That is exactly what this Murcielago is intending to be.

The only thing backwards is that this SV is not being built as entry level model unlike the Diablo SV.
 
So the RWD model that we've been hearing is in the pipeline is going to be less extreme than the SV? Sad.
 
Philly
So the RWD model that we've been hearing is in the pipeline is going to be less extreme than the SV? Sad.
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At this point, there will be no RWD model. It was said this model would be RWD, 700Hp+, & E-Gear only as owners would "already have their hands full". Obviously, none of this happened, but it should be a pretty aggressive beast.
 
Reventón;3325974
The SV badge has nothing to do with drivetrain. It was a trim for the Diablo that was intent for a more raw & demanding model. That is exactly what this Murcielago is intending to be.

The only thing backwards is that this SV is not being built as entry level model unlike the Diablo SV.
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Yes, but when you see the SV badge you expect a raw RWD monster, not a dressed up AWD.
 
Imakuni
Yes, but when you see the SV badge you expect a raw RWD monster, not a dressed up AWD.
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That's what you expect. That's not what Lamborghini intended the car to be (raw yes, RWD; coincidental). The drivetrain was left RWD as another primary reason to for it to be an "entry" level Lamborghini. Any Diablo with the VT system went for quite a few more pennies.

The only time I see a badge and think of a raw RWD monster Lamborghini is the GT. But, the chances of us seeing that are pretty much none.
 
Reventón;3326919
That's what you expect. That's not what Lamborghini intended the car to be (raw yes, RWD; coincidental). The drivetrain was left RWD as another primary reason to for it to be an "entry" level Lamborghini. Any Diablo with the VT system went for quite a few more pennies.

The only time I see a badge and think of a raw RWD monster Lamborghini is the GT. But, the chances of us seeing that are pretty much none.
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That applies to me and many others. A fair few people stand with me that the SV should be RWD and are disappointed by the fact that this latest SV isn't.

I don't need the history with each of your posts by the way, just in case you're adding it for my benefit.
 
Imakuni
That applies to me and many others. A fair few people stand with me that the SV should be RWD and are disappointed by the fact that this latest SV isn't.

I don't need the history with each of your posts by the way, just in case you're adding it for my benefit.
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And I think Porsche should stop making Cayennes, Ford should stop making Mustang model after model, & Aston Martin should put a bullet in the new Lagonda.

The fact is, what we think should be is not what the manufacturer wants. I'm only bringing up the history of the SV name because you seem to think the SV logo meant it was a RWD car when SV had nothing to do with the drivetrain.
 
I'd like to post a retraction and state that indeed I was wrong and the Gallardo Spyder nor does any other Gallardo in the Lamborghini range. How I got that mixed up I have no clue.

Anyway I've just had a great idea. What they should have done when they released the LP640 was not call it an LP640 at all but label it as the SV model of the standard Murc. 10 or 20hp doesn't or shouldn't net a car SV status.
 
CamryFan
Anyway I've just had a great idea. What they should have done when they released the LP640 was not call it an LP640 at all but label it as the SV model of the standard Murc. 10 or 20hp doesn't or shouldn't net a car SV status.
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That would have been ok if the LP640 didn't serve as the replacement for the 6.2 Coupe. :sly:
 
Imakuni, If you want a RWD lambo, Reiter is converting Murcielago R-GTs for street legal use.
 
nissan tuner
Imakuni, If you want a RWD lambo, Reiter is converting Murcielago R-GTs for street legal use.
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Actually, the car you're talking about is going to be sold as a one-off. Reiter will continue to sell some parts on it as limited-edition aftermarket pieces.
 
Reventón;3325974
The SV badge has nothing to do with drivetrain. It was a trim for the Diablo that was intent for a more raw & demanding model. That is exactly what this Murcielago is intending to be.

The only thing backwards is that this SV is not being built as entry level model unlike the Diablo SV.
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Doesn't SV go back to the Miura? :)
 
Reventón;3327172
And I think Porsche should stop making Cayennes, Ford should stop making Mustang model after model, & Aston Martin should put a bullet in the new Lagonda.

The fact is, what we think should be is not what the manufacturer wants.
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This is all pretty much true. Lamborghini sells to rich people who want a flashy car to show off to everybody else, so they are going to build a car that those people want, and not necessarily what driving enthusiasts are looking for. Driving enthusiasts like us very rarely have the money to go out and buy a Lamborghini. And realizing this is something that'll make Lamborghini a lot more money than before. Hell, Toyota softened their whole lineup and pretty much completely alienated many sports car fans and look where it put them.

Although I do say that I (and I'm sure many others of us) would really like to see a Lamborghini that was less of a glorified boulevard cruiser with excellent track abilities and more or a track monster that is going to be impossible to drive on the roads like the Countach was.
 
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