RM Z06 Pratt & Miller GP > First major series Spa race this Sunday!

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Beefalicious
Like I said CSL, Scumbag shows up late, then wins race.. and not by a little.

I still can't believe lefty only pitted once, I know I was rough on the front end but.. that's some tire magic there.

Idiot's guide to dealing with the replay files? Copy to ps3, where?
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unzip it to the root of a usb flash drive.
should show up as game data

heres the wrs replay faq
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=176743
 
My car is pretty agile so I usually don't go wide on turns but I tend to drift as well which slows me down a lot. I may have bee the guy to bumped a few people at the beginning of the race. I wasn't expecting some of you to brake so early so I braked late and slammed into a few people. Wasn't too hard I don't think but I did slow down to let whoever I hit continue. What I have noticed though is that lag can over do a hit and launch a car to the side when it was just a small tap. CSL had a sketchy connection. Bounced around a lot. But I haven't looked at the reply but if it was me pushing people to the side sorry about that.
 
CSLACR
Oh, I get it now:idea: you're another alien.
I thought your second half run was to fast to be possible, and quite frankly, it was, between you and your tune you worked some magic, I would have been on zero for tires by lap 18 running the mid 21's. I probably could have pushed for 20's, but seemed to risky to run that hard, fickle track and all.

I have to watch the replay now.
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Lol, I can assure you now, I'm no alien!! I guess I managed to get a solid tune on the car for TMR which worked really well. It could run fast laps, but was easy on tyres too :).
 
Beefalicious
I still can't believe lefty only pitted once, I know I was rough on the front end but.. that's some tire magic there.
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Thanks Waffle :), since I wasn't the fastest I had to do something to equilize the game. If the 18 laps on the first set wasn't enough the 19 laps I did on the second run was the toughest by far.

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RIP_Welsh_Don
Lol, I can assure you now, I'm no alien!! I guess I managed to get a solid tune on the car for TMR which worked really well. It could run fast laps, but was easy on tyres too :).
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So kick down w/ this magic recipe setup for the Corvette, "RWD" you were a Fn rocket and I can't think of a way you could have had anything but a legal setup w/ the filtering for the race soooo :bowdown: good job
 
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If your connection was trying to test the limits of GT5's deformation model, it succeeded.
This is your car at lap 10 after the lag had stabilized. :lol:

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Gave the replay a watch and then a second time when my wife wanted to see the "LOL INTERNET!" hilarity. Turn3 is comedy gold. CSL's car goes wide, then shoots into 2 cars... then like a blackboard eraser decides to scrub back and forth through the corner nailing everyone but welsh. Then after clearing the road of cars shoots forward and carries on like nothing was wrong :lol:

The best part is the stuff I saw first hand starting lap 4.
When I was racing I'd re-passed Welsh for 2nd and was trying to hold on coming up over the hill at the final sector line and heard a thud... In my mirror I just saw a huge puff of smoke and a car in the air. Apparently CSL lagged and then rocketed up welsh's caboose (i have no idea how you stayed on the road bro, that was a nasty hit. so nasty I saw the top of your wing in my rear view :o ).
Couple laps of skittery fun later welsh makes a move on me in turn3 of lap 7... This is where **** gets really crazy... I can't hold the outside line and get a bit of dirt but still had the inside line into 4 to hold CSL off. Then I saw him start to lag and backed off to avoid being collected. But then he plows into a wall at the bottom of the hill, I pass the wreck and zooooooom the car blows up the back straight on the dirt at 200mph right past me. He falls back into line behind welsh and jinks into another wall. I pass and then he slides sideways past me at break neck speed. This whole time I'm just laughing watching my mirror every time I go by trying not to get a hot corvette injection. When I wasn't dodging or trying not to laugh I was trying to see. All the maniac crazyness was kicking up enough dust and smoke to make a Texas wildfire jealous.

Brilliant slice of internet. If I had a capture card I'd synch the lag with some dj scratches and have a youtube moment.

But what's funny in a pre-season race is, i hope, restart-race worthy when points are awarded.
Cheers. :lol:👍
 
haha, oh wow, gotta check that out. I'll definitely be recording that.

And yes, it will be restart worthy 👍 xD
 
I downloaded it last night, plan to watch tonight or tomorrow, it's a shame it happened, as I said, I believe someone was playing farmville or I think it may be frontierville now, really don't care, it just destroys my internet until it's stopped, so it shouldn't (holds breath) be an issue again. 👍

If it is I'll back out and let everyone have fun.:dunce:
 
Oh wow, I'm watching the replay and it's freaking hilarious. Upload to youtube coming at you all tonight xD 👍
 
I have to take off for work early tonight so it'll be up when I'm back. Cheers
 
LeftyWright69
So kick down w/ this magic recipe setup for the Corvette, "RWD" you were a Fn rocket and I can't think of a way you could have had anything but a legal setup w/ the filtering for the race soooo :bowdown: good job
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Hey Lefty, thanks for the kind words :D

This is the tune I ran for TMR:

Aero - 35/60

RH - 32/35
Sp - 8.5/8.0
Damp (Ext) - 8/7
Damp (Comp) - 4/3
ARB - 6/4
Camb' - 0.5/0.0
Toe - 0.00/0.20

Diff' - 10/40/20

BB - 3/1

Gears were set for a top speed of 188mph.

I would imagine it's only good for Trial Mountain and maybe Deep Forest due to the nature of those tracks.
 
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I would agree, but I am trying to learn what truly works to adjust these GT5 cars and your tune was rock solid of what I could see for the 5 turns or so that I could try to look at your lines......... Thankzz
 
Anyone put some laps down yet at Laguna? It was my first time at this track in quite some time. My first practice session has resulted in laps just shy of the 21's. How slow am I?

Also, how many of you only use fife gears? If so, how do you decide to go with five gears instead of six? What are the conditions for which five gears work better than six?

This will be my first well organized race at Laguna. I hope to see a full grid!
 
Hey Nastra, that's some good pace buddy. There are some references to lap times on the previous page in the mid to high 21's, but running consistently will be more important than 1 off lap times. I might get on track shortly to run a few more laps and see if I can get a comfortable set-up for the Vette at Laguna. :)
 
Nastradamus87
Anyone put some laps down yet at Laguna? It was my first time at this track in quite some time. My first practice session has resulted in laps just shy of the 21's. How slow am I?

Also, how many of you only use fife gears? If so, how do you decide to go with five gears instead of six? What are the conditions for which five gears work better than six?

This will be my first well organized race at Laguna. I hope to see a full grid!
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I haven't put any laps in yet, but I'll probably use the same gears from TM, and never reach 6th on Laguna.
Five gears is better then six anytime five gears will be as effective as six, with the obvious benefit of one less shift. Since these cars have pretty good powerbands, a true 6 speed on Laguna would mean almost constant shifting.
 
CSLACR
I haven't put any laps in yet, but I'll probably use the same gears from TM, and never reach 6th on Laguna.
Five gears is better then six anytime five gears will be as effective as six, with the obvious benefit of one less shift. Since these cars have pretty good powerbands, a true 6 speed on Laguna would mean almost constant shifting.
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and you'd still never use 1st.. .so it's more of a 4 speed.
But I have mine geared to hit 6th going down toward andretti. Think i settled on a 3.5 final with 1.0 6th. (that's usually how I slap-on tune gears... works pretty well. Put 6th at 1.0 and tinker with the final until the top speed works for the straights.)
 
Hi-Jacked TnJF's online lobby for a quick practice if anyone is interested.

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Btw, you guys can all qualify eachother if you'd like to too, at any time.

Enter any confirmed times here:
http://bit.ly/z06gpqualifying

(PM me if you have any questions:.
 
CSLACR
I haven't put any laps in yet, but I'll probably use the same gears from TM, and never reach 6th on Laguna.
Five gears is better then six anytime five gears will be as effective as six, with the obvious benefit of one less shift. Since these cars have pretty good powerbands, a true 6 speed on Laguna would mean almost constant shifting.
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Hmmm. I guess I forgot about the influence of the power band. I suppose if you have to constantly shift you may spend less time at peak power (or have lower average power) per lap. Except for the one straight, most of the track is mid-speed with several low speed corners. I can somewhat see how five gears may work better. I'll give it a shot. Obviously, the best way to go about it is to set the gears so that the maximum rpm you hit is just below the redline in fifth gear, correct?

Also, what rpm do you find ideal to shift at? I'm usually shift at about 500 rpm below the redline.

For this track I'm using the RKM suspension setup that I posted a few pages back. Oversteer is a bit of an issue but manageable. The rear is much more planted than it was at trail mountain. The first corner is a bit tricky. I've never really figured out the best line through that one.
 
Nastradamus87
Hmmm. I guess I forgot about the influence of the power band. I suppose if you have to constantly shift you may spend less time at peak power (or have lower average power) per lap. Except for the one straight, most of the track is mid-speed with several low speed corners. I can somewhat see how five gears may work better. I'll give it a shot. Obviously, the best way to go about it is to set the gears so that the maximum rpm you hit is just below the redline in fifth gear, correct?

Also, what rpm do you find ideal to shift at? I'm usually shift at about 500 rpm below the redline.

For this track I'm using the RKM suspension setup that I posted a few pages back. Oversteer is a bit of an issue but manageable. The rear is much more planted than it was at trail mountain. The first corner is a bit tricky. I've never really figured out the best line through that one.
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The Andretti hairpin has 2 lines that are equally fast.
1. wide and deep
* brake late stay wide on the right line and trail brake past the first apex
* full throttle outside-in with a late apex on the second bend

2. shortest distance
* brake slightly earlier doing 99% of your braking in a straight line
* after getting on the first kerb follow the inside of the curve and easing the power on until you're full open at the second apex

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You just pick the best line for the car and your driving style.
I generally only use #1 when someone tries to get a run on me inside, as the late braking and course of the line make it a perfect defensive move. But you need to be much better at threshold braking.
 
I always go in wide on T1. 5 gears works just as well as 6. I like to use six for the 'vette 'cause I'm happy with the gears in the corner more than on 5. I don't mind the extra shift-work.

Here's a little thing I drew up of my ideal line through T1 with this car:

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Notice it's a wide entry that quickly tightens up. This isn't your standard slow-in-fast-out sort of turn. It's more like, fast in, extremely slow, fast out.

The key thing is finding out the fastest way to pick up the throttle really. The faster you get on full throttle the more time you'll be bashing away since the next turn's pretty much right up after you're done with T1.
 
Wardez
I always go in wide on T1. 5 gears works just as well as 6. I like to use six for the 'vette 'cause I'm happy with the gears in the corner more than on 5. I don't mind the extra shift-work.

Here's a little thing I drew up of my ideal line through T1 with this car:
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yep, that's line #1.
In that photo you can see line #2 in the "rubber groove"
It's a nice tight parabolic curve that hits both inside kerbs and widens to the outside right kerb.

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Good info guys!
By instinct I was always taking line #2 through the hairpin. Taking a hairpin in the line #1 (Wardez's picture) fashion is something I have just recently grown wise to. I suppose the straight following the hairpin before the next corner is long enough to make this the better line.

For whatever reason, I find line #1 easier to perform consistently than line #2. This is probably because it is a broad hairpin and I get lost easily without nearby markers. I'll experiment a bit with both. Thanks.

I have to be somewhere two hours after the scheduled race start time, so I hope the start doesn't get delayed this week.
 
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Nastradamus87
Good info guys!
By instinct I was always taking line #2 through the hairpin. Taking a hairpin in the line #1 (Wardez's picture) fashion is something I have just recently grown wise to. I suppose the straight following the hairpin before the next corner is long enough to make this the better line.

For whatever reason, I find line #1 easier to perform consistently than line #2. This is probably because it is a broad hairpin and I get lost easily without nearby markers. I'll experiment a bit with both. Thanks.

I have to be somewhere two hours after the scheduled race start time, so I hope the start doesn't get delayed this week.
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Trust me... They're both the same speed. And the run up to the slow right hand turn 3 isn't long enough to make exit speed a factor. I've tested that corner (exhaustively) in multiple gran turismos and it's always the same story. One is faster in one is faster out. Just be aware that line #1 is not as consistent because it's harder on the tires and requires better brake technique.
If you're curious what lines are faster I really recommend time trials with a ghost. In this particular instance you'll either see your ghost shoot past you on entrance than you catch him up for T3, or you'll shoot by on entrance and then have a ghost charging hard in your rear view.
It's fun and revealing about how on a good race track there are often more than one way to produce the desired result. 👍
 
Everything Watson said about Andretti.. +1

IMHO though Andretti isn't very important in the grand scheme of Laguna. Getting a good drive out of 4 & 5 tends to be where I try to focus given that they both lead to uphill straights. I also agree with basically running a 4 speed, the powerband on these cars is great
 
The trick is if you're taking the inside line, and brake to late, you're still ok, take the outside line, brake to late, and you're in the sand.
 
CSLACR
The trick is if you're taking the inside line, and brake to late, you're still ok, take the outside line, brake to late, and you're in the sand.
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Now there's a guy with his head screwed on! lol. +1 💡
 
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