RUF, RUF, and more RUF

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McLaren F1GTR
TO go with this, RUF is actually Ruf. The letters are not all capatilized.
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Well Ruf is "Mr. Ruf's" last name. But their logo is "RUF". So when refereing to RUF as a make I tend to use all caps like their logo. Though RUF uses "Ruf" in print when it isn't there logo. See my signature.

Just like you rarely see VW as "vw" in print.
 
I can't wait to take a Ruf for a spin around the Nurburgring. Are there any Rufs available in Arcade mode at the start of the game? And is the R50 in GT4?
 
1 don't know, I haven't played GT4 from the start.
2 No the R50 isn't in GT4 unfortunately.
 
Revheadnz
I can't wait to take a Ruf for a spin around the Nurburgring. Are there any Rufs available in Arcade mode at the start of the game? And is the R50 in GT4?
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All but the CTR are available from the beginning in Arcade Mode....
 
Google does:

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Yes, and didn't the car fall through?

No one can say this car was built of the Carrera GT body, b/c this car was shown before the Carrera GT.
 
smellysocks12
Google does:

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As far as I know the car is still in early development and has moved on considerably from that early prototype...

Other than that it will be Ruf's first car fully developed in house. Nothing based on anything from porsche.

EDIT: Found the other pics I had on my harddrive...
 

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veilsidebr
If u race car drive, for sure u street car drive.
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That's not quite true... well, it is for some of course (Mike Schumacher owns a Ferrari 360 eg), but not all racedrivers has fast cars or anything special at all for road use...

Just look at Kenny Bräck (Kart racer, won the Indy500 couple of years back I think)... at home he drives a Volvo 240 wagon (look it up in the game, and that's one of the faster models, second only to the 240 turbo).
 
I own two toyotas and would happy to see less asian cars in the game, I think european sports cars have a much more varied history than the asian conterparts. That and Ive always wanted a porshe (ruf is good too :) )
 
Theres a kid in the BTCC who didn't even have a license until last year, driving on a race track so much more different to driving on the road I'm not een going to try and compare the two.
 
meister_dan
Could anyone tell me if the RGT is still the best (in my opinion) Ruf in GT4?
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How is anybody supposed to know which RUF you'd like best in GT4? And how do you define "best"?

Anyway, I think the "yellow bird" has taken over. :dopey: 👍

Cheers,
the Interceptor
 
I'm the biggest fan of the RGT. It was pretty much the only car I used in GT3. It is solid as ever in GT4 but isn't the all mighty beast it once was. It is the most "useable" of all the RUFs in GT4 and it will be the easiest, next to the 3400s, for most to drive. It also can only be tuned NA (thank god) and can't have a rear spoiler (adjustable downforce) added to it.

The BTR is the new "beast" in GT4. You can add a spoiler to it with adustable downforce and pack it with turbos making it over 700hp and under 1000kg...

But...but....the CTR "yellowbird" is the star. It is one of the most iconic Porsches ever made. On top of that the one in GT4 is the prototype (you can tell by the rear air intakes) which makes it even cooler. On track it is sick. Alot of people won't take to it because it is generally difficult to drive fast, especially with realistic tires such as N1s or N2s.

Then we have the CTR2 again which is like iceing on the cake...

But the CTR is the standout....the RGT is the most all around.
 
HYBRIDLVR
I agree, Totally! I think the sound of the Ruf's is so much better now also!
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What I think is so cool about the the CTR's sound is that when you have it at high speed the wind and road noise almost cancels out the engine noise. Nice little realisitic details. The CTR is a stripped down car with a bare-bones interior to save weigth. So things like alot of sound proofing, that didn't help the car go faster, aren't in it. Not only that but the old Porsche bodies aerodynamically were not the best...so you had alot of wind noise on them.

All of which you hear in the CTR and BTR....

The RGT is very settled and quiet, but then again it is a more modern car, 15+ years down the road with all the bells and whistles (well within reason to keep it fast and light)...but essentially a RGT weighs the same as the 911 GT3 it is based on. The CTR dropped about 200kg from the 911 carerra it was based on.
 
I actually took the Stage 1 formula Ford racing school before I had a license... (stage one is pretty basic, after stage three you get an F3 racing license though).

[brag]I was the third fastest driver (of about 30), the faster ones had actually done stage one before (apart from having licenses for ages of course) and I was only 2 seconds away.[/brag]

So obviously there's quite a difference between road and track, but that's not exactly news though :)
 
veilsidebr
If u race car drive, for sure u street car drive.
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Wrong, wrong, so wrong my friend.

Race car drivers aren't racing putting innocent people in lives, and aren't racing against inexperienced racers, nor are they racing against big semis, and other cars that have filled up .

They're racing on a track with professionals themselves, and with someone on stand-by to help them.

Just b/c you can race on a track, doesn't mean you can race on the road.
 
McLaren F1GTR
Wrong, wrong, so wrong my friend.

Race car drivers aren't racing putting innocent people in lives, and aren't racing against inexperienced racers, nor are they racing against big semis, and other cars that have filled up .

They're racing on a track with professionals themselves, and with someone on stand-by to help them.

Just b/c you can race on a track, doesn't mean you can race on the road.
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I didn´t mean that they would street race, but street drive. Change gears, brake, go under speed limit. This is easy, thing that all race car drivers know, for sure, and also all the driving basics(street driving).
 
Oh ok. Well of course.

I'm not sure its true, but I think to earn a racing license, you must have first, a driver's license.
So initially to have a racing license, you must know how to drive on the road.

I could be wrong.
 
Nope, still not true.

Racing on a circuit with a field of other race drivers is VERY different from driving on the street with hundereds of daily drivers and not so daily drivers and how the hell did they ever pass their test drivers. Not only that but racing a car doesn't involve cross roads, pedestrians and kids sometimes runing into road, or not knowing what the other driver will do most of the time. The way people drive on th road is so different to racin it shouldn't even be compared. There are race car drivers too young to drive on the road eg Tom Chilton in the BTCC only passed his tes last year I think, maybe the year before but he was in the BTCC before that, also theres race car drivers that can't pass thier driving tests, why? Because it's no where near the same.
 
McLaren F1GTR
Oh ok. Well of course.

I'm not sure its true, but I think to earn a racing license, you must have first, a driver's license.
So initially to have a racing license, you must know how to drive on the road.

I could be wrong.
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You can race in various events in the UK from about 14, well below the minimum age to drive on the road, which is 17.

So, in the UK at least that does not hold true.

In fact, just checked the MSA (Motor Sports Assoc) regs and they have three disciplines that start from 8 years of age, Off-road trials, Kart and Junior Drag. Additionally only Rally and Classic Reliability trials have a road licence as a requirement.
 
kensei
Understeer? On the RGT? Huh? Now the CTR2 understeers like a champ. You need to adjust your braking for the car. BUT! The RGT, CTR, BTR are all massive oversteer'ers (not ever a word I know). The 911/RR base, with all the weight in the back lends nicely to this.

The only understeer I can think of happens in the CTR/BTR due to the weight shift to the back of the car when on the gas which unweights the front wheels. So if you try to take a high speed corner fully on the throttle (i.e. Schwedenkreuz or Antoniusbuche on the Nordschelife, the 130r at Suzuka or even the final corner at Tsukuba) and aren't set up properly for it you will understeer off the circuit. Older RR Porsches/Rufs require a slower turn in, but you can get on the gas earlier once the backend comes around.

However, the RGT does not suffer from the above. It has pretty neutral handing.

Try going into the corner slower, 10-20kph (maybe more if it is a high speed corner) slower than you would with an FR. Let the back end start to swing out just a bit thus tweaking the apex of the corner for your car and then get on the gas. If you run your RGT against a similar power FR ghost you will see you gain alot of time out of the corner. Even against something like the all mighty Skyline R34 and it's mega AWD grip out of a corner...the RGT should hang with it.
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Sure, the RUFs grip out of corners is brilliant, but it does seem to understandably understeer when you turn in compared to all the different drivetrains. I can't seem to find the right brake bias as a too oversteer biased setting makes the car wayyyy to sensitive underbraking. The turn in understeer is most prominent on Suzuka (where I test most of the cars) - it just doesn't like turning in under braking or even when lifting off the brakes abruptly.
 
McLaren F1GTR
Oh ok. Well of course.

I'm not sure its true, but I think to earn a racing license, you must have first, a driver's license.
So initially to have a racing license, you must know how to drive on the road.

I could be wrong.
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I believe you are wrong actually... can't say for the whole world, but here in Sweden there are whole series FOR junior drivers. You didn't think all racing drivers just magically got mad skills when they turned 18 did you? They've been going from Go-Cart when they were wee kids and all the way up before they race the big things...

And like I said, I actually raced a formula car around a track long before having my license... no one even asked for a drivers license, it's just not connected.
 
kensei
I'm the biggest fan of the RGT. It was pretty much the only car I used in GT3. It is solid as ever in GT4 but isn't the all mighty beast it once was. It is the most "useable" of all the RUFs in GT4 and it will be the easiest, next to the 3400s, for most to drive. It also can only be tuned NA (thank god) and can't have a rear spoiler (adjustable downforce) added to it.

The BTR is the new "beast" in GT4. You can add a spoiler to it with adustable downforce and pack it with turbos making it over 700hp and under 1000kg...

But...but....the CTR "yellowbird" is the star. It is one of the most iconic Porsches ever made. On top of that the one in GT4 is the prototype (you can tell by the rear air intakes) which makes it even cooler. On track it is sick. Alot of people won't take to it because it is generally difficult to drive fast, especially with realistic tires such as N1s or N2s.

Then we have the CTR2 again which is like iceing on the cake...

But the CTR is the standout....the RGT is the most all around.
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Now this guy answered my question.. Thanks kensei! 👍
 
KSaiyu
Sure, the RUFs grip out of corners is brilliant, but it does seem to understandably understeer when you turn in compared to all the different drivetrains. I can't seem to find the right brake bias as a too oversteer biased setting makes the car wayyyy to sensitive underbraking. The turn in understeer is most prominent on Suzuka (where I test most of the cars) - it just doesn't like turning in under braking or even when lifting off the brakes abruptly.
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RR cars under heavy braking won't turn in like any other car...so yes they will "understeer"....but if you brake sooner in a stright line you won't have the problem.

I don't even know if "understeer" is the proper term....(technically I know it is) but more like"don't turn in while braking".

Brake sooner, turn in slower and exit faster....
 
I guess it's only really a problem on tracks like suzuka, where there is hardly any time to brake and enter the next corner. Generally I have to go slower than any other type of car during the first 1/4 than I normally would because of this problem
 
You take any new standard Porsche 911 Carrera S from the factory, put it on any track in any part of the world, and it will feel like its been doing the same routine for years.. To put it simply , the most devastating track day machine straight from the showroom for decent money has to be the Carrera S. In RUF form, they are generally untouchable. Talk of understeer is nonsense, knowing how to hold the car through the apex is key for the ultimate time possible. They can drift with the best of them, and oversteer heavily, but still very controllable.
 
Cybermonkey24
You take any new standard Porsche 911 Carrera S from the factory, put it on any track in any part of the world, and it will feel like its been doing the same routine for years.. To put it simply , the most devastating track day machine straight from the showroom for decent money has to be the Carrera S. In RUF form, they are generally untouchable. Talk of understeer is nonsense, knowing how to hold the car through the apex is key for the ultimate time possible. They can drift with the best of them, and oversteer heavily, but still very controllable.
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I couldn't disagree much more with you. I'm a big Porsche fan, always have been, always will be, but to suggest that a vanilla carrera s is "the most devastating track day machine straight from the show room for decent money" is bordering on insanity. Ok, so the brakes, engine, suspension etc are all strong and of a high standard, but the s isn't meant as a track day car. You can buy several cars straight from the showroom that will destroy a carrera s on most tracks. A few examples would be Radical SR3 (or the SR8 (even better)), pretty much any of the caterfields, elises/exiges, a large proportion of the TVR family, etc...

The carrera s is just too heavy to be a "devastating track day machine"
 

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