Samba bus, Kübel and Schwimmwagen "the aircooled VeeDub section"

[Shant J.]

My buddy let me drive his Karmann Ghia the other day. The seat belts clipped onto a big metal ring between the seats like a carnival ride or something. It was pretty fun, probably the oldest car I've ever driven.

Lucky! I've only driven water-cooled VWs.

 

[MGS2 Snake]

What strange cars to have in the game.
Do you think the will be a semi-underwater race,
only for the Schwimmmmmwagen?

 

[Revelation1115]

-> I wonder on how well the Country Buggy fares against the other skeletal Vee-Dubs like the Thing, Kubel, & Schwim.

lol.. maybe in GT6 that will be in the game! if we're lucky the jeepney will be in too!

 

[Lizard]

I do remember you being a IL2 Sturmovik player which also includes a lot of Nazi planes, don't you use those planes for that reason too?

No i dont use german planes but that is because i like "angles fighters".
But german pilots were just obaying orders. The gastapo used Kubalwagons and they were the sick people.

 

[Antti-san]

No i dont use german planes but that is because i like "angles fighters".
But german pilots were just obaying orders. The gastapo used Kubalwagons and they were the sick people.

As did the entire Wehrmacht, I believe. Geez, poor Kubelwagen!

 

[analog]

No i dont use german planes but that is because i like "angles fighters".
But german pilots were just obaying orders. The gastapo used Kubalwagons and they were the sick people.

Yes, the Kübelwagen was used by the Waffen-SS and probably also by the Gestapo but the majority was used by the Wehrmacht which mainly consisted of soldiers who were forced into military service like the pilots you mention.

Maybe it's just me but I can easily separate the machines they used from the crimes the people who used them committed, as the machines obviously aren't guilty.
They were designed by Ferdinand Porsche ( forced or not ) so if these machines are disturbing for their association with the Nazi regime then I guess it's logical to extend this to Porsche and the entire German car industry ( or at least the cars created during and shortly after WW2 ).

I mean the people in charge ( who thought out the horrible crimes ) drove big Mercedes-Benzes, Horch ( Audi ) and ( in some cases ) BMW's.
In Italy Mussolini drove big Alfa Romeo's and Lancia's, most of these cars are today recognised by the classic car community as great pieces of engineering and truly beautiful cars despite them being forever associated with the fascist-regimes they were used by.

I guess it's up to each individual to decide if they want to use these Volkswagens but to be honest I'm quite surprised some are possibly not going to use these cars in a game especially considering this is mostly a generation used to playing WW2 games in general.
In some of these games you can actually shoot people and use these vehicles ( be it planes or cars ) adopting the role of a Nazi-soldier, in GT5 all you can do is just drive these machines around a track.

 

[Antti-san]

In some of these games you can actually shoot people and use these vehicles ( be it planes or cars ) adopting the role of a Nazi-soldier, in GT5 all you can do is just drive these machines around a track.

To tell the truth, I'm kinda tired of seeing every German soldier labeled as a "Nazi-soldier", when like you said, most of them were just regular people. WW2 is over last time I checked, so no need to dehumanise those not deserving it.

 

[analog]

To tell the truth, I'm kinda tired of seeing every German soldier labeled as a "Nazi-soldier", when like you said, most of them were just regular people. WW2 is over last time I checked, so no need to dehumanise those not deserving it.

Well you know what point I was trying to make, this isn't the tread to discuss all subtleties, nuances or possible gray areas you rightfully point out exist.
These cars were for the most part used by the Wehrmacht ( consisting mostly of soldiers, not necessarily Nazi's, forced to perform military service like those in the Allied army, they couldn't help being German at that time ) and although they are both miltary vehicles, both were mainly used to transport soldiers.
There are no guns attached on these cars, only a few shovels, it's not like they included a Panzer tank squadron in GT5.

 

[Strittan]

First generation Type 1's, first generation Type 2's, Type 3's and the Karmann Ghia are my favorites when it comes to VW. Slammed to the ground of course, and with a nice set of old Porsche wheels.

 

[analog]

I quite liked the look ( or the stance ) of this one, not sure about the wheels though and I would've chosen a different colour scheme perhaps but I hope this ( or something similar ) will be possible to do in GT5.
I guess it can be done as it isn't anything really drastically.

 

[Strittan]

I quite liked the look ( or the stance ) of this one, not sure about the wheels though and I would've chosen a different colour scheme perhaps but I hope this ( or something similar ) will be possible to do in GT5.
I guess it can be done as it isn't anything really drastically.

I believe that's Porsche wheels, and they're spot on in my opinion. They could've just been painted instead of chromed though.

 

[analog]

I think that's Porsche wheels, and they're spot on in my opinion. They could've just been painted instead of chromed though.

Aren't those called Fuchs alloys? ( Fuchs being the brand I believe ).

 

[Strittan]

Aren't those called Fuchs alloys? ( Fuchs being the brand I believe ).

I believe they were made more or less specificly for Porsches though, but nevermind. They look good on VW's anyway.

 

[Antti-san]

Well you know what point I was trying to make, this isn't the tread to discuss all subtleties, nuances or possible gray areas you rightfully point out exist.

I know, I guess I'm preaching to the choir here! Sorry for getting OT.

 

[analog]

I've been somewhat looking into the performance figures of both the Kübel and Schwimmwagen and found both have a topspeed of around 50 mph.
Now I'm the first to point out the charm and appeal of these cars isn't about all out performance but I do wonder whether these cars can be tuned to perhaps make them more interesting for some to race/drive.

I guess the T1 Samba will be treated like the '49 Beetle and Karmann-Ghia ( and most other cars ) in GT4 regarding the options for tuning/customizing.
But maybe the Kübel and Schwimmwagen will be treated like the Ford Model-T ( or both Daimler and Benz for example ) in being unable to tune as both are added for largely the same reasons I suppose, being historically significant or interesting for not being the obvious choice in a game.

To be honest, I can live with the fact they only can be driven as they came ( and visually customizing these military vehicles just seems "wrong" in my opinion ) if it turns out that way.
But the ability to add some more horses to these rear-engined contraptions to drive them in a way you're probably not supposed to in real life sounds very appealing to me.

 

[Sniffs]

i think the Bus tuners would agree with you that it should be like the 49 bug and the Karman. but making the T an untuneable was a big fat mistake. I'd love to slip a 3 speed into it and see if it'd do 75 mph. the sidevalve 2.9 in that thing deserves better than that 2 speed planetary.

don't be surprised if the samba gets a hippy style paintjob in some markets. the VW microbus is associated with the 60's counterculture over here.

 

[analog]

i think the Bus tuners would agree with you that it should be like the 49 bug and the Karman. but making the T an untuneable was a big fat mistake. I'd love to slip a 3 speed into it and see if it'd do 75 mph. the sidevalve 2.9 in that thing deserves better than that 2 speed planetary.

don't be surprised if the samba gets a hippy style paintjob in some markets. the VW microbus is associated with the 60's counterculture over here.

It would be nice to have had the ability to tune the Model-T, it happened in period too and would've made it more appealing to a lot of people but the Daimler and Benz were rightfully left alone in my opinion as it would ruin the purpose of putting things in perspective historically ( and would be unrealistic and inaccurate ).

I really hope you're wrong on the hippy style paintjob though, I know these cars are forever associated with 60's counterculture ( not just in the US but worldwide I reckon ) but this is mainly a personal opinion as I think it's a tiresome cliche ( and visually appalling to my taste ) and I'd rather have them in the game without a popular 60's counterculture context attached to it ( which with a few notable exceptions perhaps music wise, is completely lost on me regarding the appeal ) and mainly be included for and perceived as they were regarded before the whole babyboom generation made it their own.

Having said that, I don't object to it as there probably will be plenty of people who'd like such a thing but it's just not for me.
Although if applying a possible hippy paintjob meant that when you drove it all tracks would magically transform into a phychedelic landscape with bright vibrant colours, unicorns and a gentle wave of beautiful guitar music whilst green smoke is puffing slowly out of the exhaust I might give it a try.

 

[Sniffs]

that's the first time I've loled in real life in AGES!! thanks, man!

mabey we can talk kaz into a last minute tunable T or even a T bucket in the DLC's. after all, Ford's T's and A's were some of the first Hot Rods over here, and that's one thing that's been missing from GT but the bug and the bus.

yk, now that we have the Kubelwagen, we need a gelandewagen, a Mk 1 Disco, an MB jeep, and an FJ to run on the rally tracks, if any

 

[JoeRyan]

Of course there is a certain allure to driving a piece of German history in GT. The contributions of that nation and VW to road vehicles is unquestionable, so I'm thrilled to receive them. Also, the inclusion of the original KDF-Wagen would be most appreciated.

I hope PD will expand on the theme to include 1920s-40s era road cars from other nations, particularly French designs. It would make for some interesting racing to say the least.

 

[analog]

I hope PD will expand on the theme to include 1920s-40s era road cars from other nations, particularly French designs. It would make for some interesting racing to say the least.

I'll agree as there's a big time gap between for example the Ford Model-T and the '49 Beetle in GT4 with the Auto-Union being the only car which falls inbetween.
The 19th Century is covered enough for now I think with the Benz and Daimler and the period from the fifties onwards was also represented pretty well.
Now with the forties being partly covered with these military vehicles ( which is I guess historically appropriate with WW2 playing the largest part of this decade ) I also wish they would look to the late twenties and thirties for interesting cars to include as this era is largely overlooked not just by PD but most driving games in general although I think many people would appreciate the possibility of driving these extraordinary machines in a videogame, or would learn to appreciate them when offered.

A bit off-topic to discuss it in this thread perhaps, mostly my fault by elaborating on the point you made, in fact I already made a thread exactly about this subject.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=125827

 

[ferhound]

Im looking forward to modify a Mercedes Benz Patent Motor Wagen 1886 and see how low I can get it, with pink neon.

 

[analog]

Im looking forward to modify a Mercedes Benz Patent Motor Wagen 1886 and see how low I can get it, with pink neon.

Not going to happen ( thankfully I must add ), and this isn't the thread ( speaking more in general ) to discuss each vintage vehicle included in GT5.
Please try to limit the discussion to anything directly or indirectly associated with one of the three cars mentioned specifically in the title of this thread.

If you do wish to discuss cars from other era's you'd like to see appear in future GT-games I'd like to suggest the link I provided on the previous page to another thread I created some time ago which is entirely dedicated to this subject.

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

Im looking forward to modify a Mercedes Benz Patent Motor Wagen 1886 and see how low I can get it, with pink neon.

drop in the veyron's quad turbo W16 ona extended chassis, give it a shocking pink and radiant green paint job, 20" chrome wheels, and lowered suspension

 

[analog]

drop in the veyron's quad turbo W16 ona extended chassis, give it a shocking pink and radiant green paint job, 20" chrome wheels, and lowered suspension

Please read the post above yours , discussing what possible indignities the very first car ever build has to suffer ( serious or not ) just isn't related to the topic of this thread, regardless of the fact those customizing/tuning suggestions being highly unlikely ( and that's an understatement ) to happen.

Anyway, trying to steer it back on-topic by posting a few pics of the interiors of all 3 cars that are meant to being discussed here displayed in the same order as the thread title.

Basic no-nonsense "form follows function" in the best Bauhaus tradition perhaps.

 

[viejaloca]

I wouldn't mind having these on GT5, I'd just convert one of them to the ultimate Rally Raid car!!! Put a new gearbox, clutch, and obviously put as much power as Cr. can get! It's be a fun project.

 

[Khaddar]

I'm rather happy to see the Samba included, and hope both the Beetle and Karmann Ghia will be in there too (seems a safe bet), but the Kubel- and Schwimmwagens leave me somewhat unimpressed. I won't complain about their inclusion - the more quirks and oddities the better from my point of view - but assuming we'll only have a fairly small selection of pre-1960 vehicles again I'd rather see pretty much anything else. These two are neither historically significant (from an automotive point of view) nor of any great interest as driver's cars.

 

[Sasek]

Is it only me or others also think that these cars are a waste of time working on them? Ok it is a little funny, but are you sure that you will often ride in this cars? Maybe some concept cars would be a better choice? What you think?

ps. I know that it's all already done but would not it be better to see something like premium Diablo...

 

[b1gf3ar]

^ I dont know, they might make for some interesting challenges.

 

[jamzzz969]

Is it only me or others also think that these cars are a waste of time working on them? Ok it is a little funny, but are you sure that you will often ride in this cars? Maybe some concept cars would be a better choice? What you think?

ps. I know that it's all already done but would not it be better to see something like premium Diablo...

I totally agree with you, I suppose their sort of interesting cars but its not like anyone will want to race in a slow WW2 car, I suppose the Samba bus is ok, but they could have made cars that people actually want to drive premium.
To be honest, I think that working on these cars was a waste of time.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

A Slug Bug van sold at Barrett-Jackson Las Vegas this past weekend for $100,000. A few cars later, there was also a Veyron that was sold. First time a Veyron has crossed the block at a public auction. It was #80 of 300. and went for $700,000!

Turns out the guy selling the Veyron is who bought the bus!!!