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Oh.. GT-86 is the official name for it?

I'm confused. Although it is better than calling it a Scion FR-S.
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GT-86 is probably quite a clever name change, to be honest. The only real important part of FT-86 was the 86 as it drew parallels with the AE86. But GT has roots in older Celicas (plenty were named GT), it trips off the tongue better than FT-86, and from a really basic marketing standpoint, "GT" sounds sporty (call your car a GT and it stands out in the brochures as the "sporty" model) and "FT" means very little.

I would have liked it to be called Celica in Europe, but honestly the car itself is more important than the name.
 
Kamuifanboy
Yes, i'd buy an M3 before I bought a Porsche. I've driven a Porsche 911 Carrera, and it wasn't that great. Lacks power, stability at high speeds, brakes were pathetic.
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This is where I stopped taking you for being serious.
 
Definitly would take a sti as well as a 370 z, RX-8 R3, and a minicooper over any m3 hands down
 
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R1600Turbo
According to Autoblog the GT 86 IS the European market car.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/26/europes-toyota-gt-86-sports-car-revealed-arrives-june-2012/

Edit: according to the video the car sounds broken at low RPM's, and like music to the ears screaming at 7k. :D

Edit 2: Can anyone find a picture of this whole car sitting still? Would like to see it with those wheels. Love that color too.

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Is this what you were looking for?

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You probably didn't notice the seats either...The wing would look correct on a turbo model, but I can't see a 200hp car being able to back up looks like that. Now if it really makes some downforce that could be a different story. And its STI engineered, so it might.
 
Eric.
You probably didn't notice the seats either...The wing would look correct on a turbo model, but I can't see a 200hp car being able to back up looks like that. Now if it really makes some downforce that could be a different story. And its STI engineered, so it might.
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Yeah, just seems really big considering there's no visible splitter on the front. Didn't even both to look at the seats. And I love those wheels though, reminds me of some BBS wheels on Forza. And BBS wheels are the beez kneez

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dop/facepalm

enlarged the picture and noticed they were BBS

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I also noticed that that is the Fuji Speedway mini track. Look familiar?

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Supra86? :loL:

Seems like there's a bit of a lip under the front bumper to balance out that wing, but given the apparent angle of attack, it probably acts more as a stabilizer than as a source of significant downforce.
 
I'm pleased with the final results. They're just exciting enough to be interesting, but not exciting enough to make it look like an unreasonable entry into the sport coupe market. Its decidedly... okay, and that's fine by me.

I need three things:
  • A solid figure on pricing. If its going to be $28K, I may as well spend the extra money and get a Mustang GT. Wind it back to $25K, and its at least seven shades more reasonable.
  • A colour pallette. The orange and blue are interesting colours to show the car off with, but didn't Hyundai do the same thing with the Veloster? Bring out the more traditional white, black and red.
  • A rough idea of how loaded up, or stripped down this car can get. I don't need much. At the same time, I don't want much either

homeforsummer
I would have liked it to be called Celica in Europe, but honestly the car itself is more important than the name.
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Calling it a Celica would have been fine in the US as well. Even if the latest of the final generation of Celicas had more of a reputation as a young female's car.



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I think the Subaru is better-looking, and if the pricing is anywhere near similar to the Scion, you'd have to be sick in the head to choose otherwise.
 
It looks good as you look at it from the front. As you walk around to the side it looks a bit sunk and bulgy. But once you're at the back, oh dear. Lets hope it drives better than it looks.
 
YSSMAN
  • A solid figure on pricing. If its going to be $28K, I may as well spend the extra money and get a Mustang GT. Wind it back to $25K, and its at least seven shades more reasonable.
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Price is vital in the UK too. At £28k it would be perilously close to the price of the (more powerful, if heavier) £29k Nissan 370Z and the (less poweful, far lighter) £27k Lotus Elise. Those cars aren't direct rivals really but the GT-86 splits them in ethos. £29k also gets you a BMW Z4 over here. Much as I've been saying that power isn't the point of the GT-86, I'm not dumb enough to not realise that past a certain price point, people would be expecting bigger numbers.

At low-£20k prices they won't be able to build them quick enough. A top-spec MX5 with the retractable hard top and 2.0 engine comes in at a little over £21k, and even at a few grand more the Toyota would offer a chunk more power, a stiffer chassis and the image of a coupe for those who aren't keen on the MX5's image. The MX5 is already in a class of its own as far as similarly-priced rivals are concerned so the Toyota would clean up.

It's largely academic because I can't afford it whatever they price it at, but I reckon mid-twenties would be about right. It offers just enough more than the MX5 to warrant it, and it'd undercut some potentially more desirable rivals in the high-20s by a good few grand.

It'd also be bang-on the price point of several of the hot hatchbacks on sale. A Golf GTI is £25k on the dot, and in reality you've got a similar deal - around 200hp, enough power to be fun and a healthy dose of practicality.

So if the £28k figure from earlier wasn't accurate for the GT-86 in the UK (and I'm worried it will be), I'm gonna say £25k for the base-spec GT-86 would make the most sense. If it's less than that, we're laughing.
 
YSSMAN
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I think the Subaru is better-looking
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They look damn near exactly the same, not separated nearly as the much as the Solstice and Sky which were already obviously platform mates.
 
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niky
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Supra86? :loL:
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^ That model would be the Modelista/TRD kit demo car. ;)

-> So here are as follows:

JDM - Toyota 86 (ran out of names? Celica would be a better name...)
Euro - Toyota GT 86 (sounds like a fax machine. Celica GT would be a better name...)
Global - Subaru BRZ (I prefer Alcyone BRZ)
NA - Scion aE (86)???? (lol)

^ To be honest, FR-S is a concept car name and will not carry over into the production spec. ;)
 
Keef
They look damn near exactly the same, not separated nearly as the much as the Solstice and Sky which were already obviously platform mates.
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I'm split on which I'd want just because of what the car is. Originally it was a Toyota with a Subaru motor and would be rebadged as a Subaru also. Now we pretty much know this is a Subaru with a Subaru motor and Toyota fuel system so its more that the non-Subarus are badge jobs. I think in the details I like the Toyota slightly better, the fender vent on the Subaru is a bit much and probably non-functional. I also have friends who have believed that there would be a 250+hp naturally aspirated base model BRZ and think the Toyota version is gay and anemic, so I'd probably get it just for hate. :lol:
 
£28k is a bit steep, as homeforsummer said, there are plenty of faster cars with more desirable badges for the same price. Personally it should be slightly more than an MX-5, but less than a base Z4. People may struggle to spend more than that on a Toyota.
 
I'd probably buy an STI version of BRZ for $29k if the interior feels better than the one in STi and on par with '12 Impreza. Non-STI one - not sure.
 
dsgerbc
I'd probably buy an STI version of BRZ for $29k if the interior feels better than the one in STi and on par with '12 Impreza. Non-STI one - not sure.
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You realize the $28k suggested is more for the NA models, and certainly not the STi version. Subaru wouldn't be so daft as to under cut their flagship by nearly 10 grand.
 
Eww, I forgot this thing will have an electronic throttle. I'd have to drive it. That might be a deal-breaker. If it's as good as Mazda's then it won't bother me, but I've never driven one as good as Mazda's except in a Mazda, my friend's 1st-gen 3 being the benchmark.

Why on earth do these throttles hold engine rpm when you let off the gas? Obviously it has cut the throttle immediately because it doesn't rev up, but it doesn't cut the throttle all the way because the rpm hovers where it was when you let off. What's the point? It's annoying as hell and makes it difficult to shift smoothly. When I want off the throttle I want off the throttle right now, damn it.
 
dsgerbc
I'd probably buy an STI version of BRZ for $29k if the interior feels better than the one in STi and on par with '12 Impreza. Non-STI one - not sure.
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I don't( and wont) believe in a STI version until more proof, speculation aside.
 
Keef
Eww, I forgot this thing will have an electronic throttle. I'd have to drive it. That might be a deal-breaker. If it's as good as Mazda's then it won't bother me, but I've never driven one as good as Mazda's except in a Mazda, my friend's 1st-gen 3 being the benchmark.

Why on earth do these throttles hold engine rpm when you let off the gas? Obviously it has cut the throttle immediately because it doesn't rev up, but it doesn't cut the throttle all the way because the rpm hovers where it was when you let off. What's the point? It's annoying as hell and makes it difficult to shift smoothly. When I want off the throttle I want off the throttle right now, damn it.
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Easy answer. Emissions. The throttle stays open and the computer cuts fuel to do a lean burn of whatever is left in there. I don't even notice it much on the Civic anymore, and none at all when driving hard. Its considerably better with a tune as well.
 
Azuremen
You realize the $28k suggested is more for the NA models, and certainly not the STi version. Subaru wouldn't be so daft as to under cut their flagship by nearly 10 grand.
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Flagship has more HP, more diffs and by the time this comes out will be 5 years old. And it's not $10k, just $6k. I'm not so sure these would compete with STI all that much.
 
dsgerbc
Flagship has more HP, more diffs and by the time this comes out will be 5 years old. And it's not $10k, just $6k. I'm not so sure these would compete with STI all that much.
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After dealer markups and such, most people are paying around $40k. 250HP in this car, at 2700 pounds and RWD, will put it on par with a 300HP STi in terms of acceleration and performance. The raw drag times might be a touch slower because of the lol launch you can do with AWD.

Even if it was only 6 grand difference, it would still pull a lot of sales away from the STI, simply because it would be quick and cheap.
 
Most people are paying well below MSRP for most STI/WRX. Only when the 2011 models were running low in september-october, were people paying more and that was mostly due to required options and accessories that came with all cars.
If you count tax and financing on a higher spec-ed model then yeah, $40k is about right.
This car will take away the few sensible wrx/sti owners still left.

I'll still hold them to the car being priced between the impreza and Legacy. Which leagcy, who knows.
 
^^^ I like the Subaru front end better. Kind of a Ferrari-look to it.

Edit: and 2,689lb curb weight is really nice.

Keef
It's annoying as hell and makes it difficult to shift smoothly. When I want off the throttle I want off the throttle right now, damn it.
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Agreed.
 

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