Sciaru BRZFRS (BreezeFrees)

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eSZee
Most people are paying well below MSRP for most STI/WRX. Only when the 2011 models were running low in september-october, were people paying more and that was mostly due to required options and accessories that came with all cars.
If you count tax and financing on a higher spec-ed model then yeah, $40k is about right.
This car will take away the few sensible wrx/sti owners still left.

I'll still hold them to the car being priced between the impreza and Legacy. Which leagcy, who knows.
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Prices up here tend to get gauged up a bit more because of our weather. Most people seem to think the only option for a sports car is the WRX/STi or an EVO because they must have AWD. I notice when I check 2nd hand ads for Subarus down in Cali, they tend to be a decent amount cheaper than up here.
 
Azuremen
After dealer markups and such, most people are paying around $40k. 250HP in this car, at 2700 pounds and RWD, will put it on par with a 300HP STi in terms of acceleration and performance. The raw drag times might be a touch slower because of the lol launch you can do with AWD.

Even if it was only 6 grand difference, it would still pull a lot of sales away from the STI, simply because it would be quick and cheap.
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I have heard nothing about STI version having more HP, so when I'm talking about BRZ STI I only mean suspension and brake upgrade. And what you're saying pretty much explains why there won't be 250HP BRZ. Maybe after they either kill STI or give it a power bump. And $29k I'm talking about is also not "out the door price", so it's comparable to $33-34k people give their dealers for STIs (before taxes, fees etc).

I'm okay with a RWD car up here in MI in winter as long as it has a locking diff. I'm probably keeping my current car though as a winter beater if I do get a BRZ.
 
-> Oohhh...

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^ This was unexpected, the BRZ shown here IS the North American version! Nice! 👍
 
eSZee
The BRZ concept STI is proof enough for me.
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I hear what your saying and im sure if the Brz gets enough buzz the posiblity is there but how they would enhance it is unknown we will see though.
 
Azuremen
Prices up here tend to get gauged up a bit more because of our weather. Most people seem to think the only option for a sports car is the WRX/STi or an EVO because they must have AWD. I notice when I check 2nd hand ads for Subarus down in Cali, they tend to be a decent amount cheaper than up here.
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Gotcha. I think Colorado is somewhat the same.
Subaru's left and right.
 
homeforsummer
It's largely academic because I can't afford it whatever they price it at, but I reckon mid-twenties would be about right. It offers just enough more than the MX5 to warrant it, and it'd undercut some potentially more desirable rivals in the high-20s by a good few grand.
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In the US, I'm entirely convinced the "sweet spot" is $23K. That's where the MX-5 starts, a Mustang V6 Pony Pack is only a couple-hundred more, you're in the neighborhood of the GLI/GTI/Beetle Turbo, and not far off on the Mazdaspeed 3. Going in at $23K puts a $3000 space between the FR-S and the tC at Scion, and keeps the BRZ about $3000 behind the WRX. Hell, you're right on the ball with the Genesis 2.0T.

If we jump up to the $28K mark that has been suggested multiple times before, Toyota would really need to be packing in the goodies to make me think that is a reasonable price. $28K is two grand shy of the Mustang GT and Camaro SS, and less than two grand shy of the 370Z. You're putting yourself pretty far ahead of the Genesis 3.8, let alone the MX-5.

Assuming they're using a fairly typical standard-fare options list, if they could start the basic car at $22,995 without destination, they'll sell eighty nine thousand bajillion of them. Hell, even if they hit that price with crank-down windows and a two-speaker stereo, I'd be a pretty happy guy.

At $23K, its right in my price range. I will do everything I can to get one. Bump that up past $25K, and I can wait. Toyota may be surprised how long I can wait.
 
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R1600Turbo
Any auto shows coming up? Or is Detroit in January the next one?
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^ On a global standpoint? Yes R1600Turbo was right, JDM-land (aka. Tokyo) is next. But here in N. America, the next big one would be Detroit (and yes, like in L.A., Suzuki won't be there either).

-> Hey, lookie, lookie what I found!!!

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^ Really!? The 86/GT 86/BRZ/aE (FT-86 II shown) is roughly the same size as my S2000!? :eek:

^ And the GenCoupe looks like a (Camry) Solara next to the 86/GT 86/BRZ/aE. :indiff:

-> But to be honest, Subaru could've worked with Prodrive instead of Toyota...

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^ I mean, after seeing the BRZ...its like Chevy Cavalier/Pontiac Sunfire all over again (what I mean the platform-sharing wise, not engineering wise). :indiff:
 
YSSMAN
At $23K, its right in my price range. I will do everything I can to get one. Bump that up past $25K, and I can wait. Toyota may be surprised how long I can wait.
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I can see base version at $23k-$24k. >$28k is okay for me if it includes STI goodies, hopefully beyond suspension/brakes. Maybe upgraded rear diff?
 
Do your own brake/suspension upgrade and save $5000. An STI model would almost certainly have a turbo and near 300hp.
 
^ I would love to live there (JDM-land). :D

BT -> I would really look forward on comparing my AE86 (AE88 tbh) side-by-side to either the BRZ or Scion aE...

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...since my 86/88 is almost the same size as my S2K! (although 'a bit' bigger)

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Keef
Eww, I forgot this thing will have an electronic throttle. I'd have to drive it. That might be a deal-breaker. If it's as good as Mazda's then it won't bother me, but I've never driven one as good as Mazda's except in a Mazda, my friend's 1st-gen 3 being the benchmark.

Why on earth do these throttles hold engine rpm when you let off the gas? Obviously it has cut the throttle immediately because it doesn't rev up, but it doesn't cut the throttle all the way because the rpm hovers where it was when you let off. What's the point? It's annoying as hell and makes it difficult to shift smoothly. When I want off the throttle I want off the throttle right now, damn it.
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Yeah, not keen on them myself but the pre-production tests from a few magazines didn't mention anything out of the ordinary so I'm hoping for the best.

My Fiat has a 'leccy throttle. It's actually fine if you're thrashing it but it's most annoying around town where nice, relaxed gearshifts are difficult to do smoothly as the engine is always giving you either more or less throttle than you thought you were asking of it.

Toronado
I think it looks like that one Peugeot. The one that sorta looks like an Audi TT.
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The RC-Z. I know what you mean, the big gaping grille has something to do with it, as does the large plastic fat lip inside the grille. I'd still take the Toyota, the front end treatment is a lot better.

YSSMAN
In the US, I'm entirely convinced the "sweet spot" is $23K. That's where the MX-5 starts
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Can't see them pricing it that close to the MX-5. Don't get me wrong, it'd be nice and they'd not be able to make them quick enough for the demand at that price, but I reckon they've put too much money into the project to let it go for that low.

Unless Toyota are feeling particularly greedy, I'd like to think it'll be around £26k in the UK and true to tradition, about $26k in the US.

Omnis
Oh Jesus. So much for fitting in there.
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How tall are you? The NC MX5 is a fair chunk bigger than the NA/NB inside and the Toyobaru looks like it has a good few inches more headroom than the NC would with the roof closed.

That pic does make me think how well Ford has done to hide the Mustang's bulk. It's a lot larger than it looks.
 
-> I will think that this 86/GT 86/BRZ/aE will fit like the AE86 in todays standards, snug but cozy at the same time. And I'm 6'3. Too bad that there is no hatch version. :(
 
I was crunching numbers in a little facebook debate on this thing.

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More interesting. AWD cars tend to have parasitic losses at an average of 27%. RWD cars lose about 15%. Slightly less again for FWD.

Flywheel hp Toyobaru = 197, wheelhp ~=168
Flywheel hp 09 WRX = 265, wheelhp ~=193

Toyobaru lbs/whp = 2669/168 = 15.88
WRX lbs/whp = 3152/193 = 16.33

09 WRX must be anemic.
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That weight, is amazing, would love to see a on track comparison to the 2013 gen coupe 2.0 turbo and this on laguna seca.

GT-86 200hp, 151 ftq 2600 ibs.
Genesis coupe, 271 hp,275 ftq 3294 lbs

it would be a interesting test.

edit: judging by the last generation gen 2.0 r-spec trim, Hyundai might lop off 100 or so ibs again.
 
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That was a good comparison, I don't really think the Genesis Coupe or Ford Mustang are all that large, that must mean the BR-86S isn't all that large. According to the chart, about two inches longer than the NC MX-5.
 
Crispy
That was a good comparison, I don't really think the Genesis Coupe or Ford Mustang are all that large, that must mean the BR-86S isn't all that large. According to the chart, about two inches longer than the NC MX-5.
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The Gen or 'Stang aren't huge, but the Toyobaru seems to have gone back to the size of cars in the 80s or 90s which I wholeheartedly approve of. That it's only marginally bigger than the MX5, which is a relatively small car by modern standards, is brilliant.
 

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