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The stock tune on the 2.5 turbos tries to run 14.7 afr til ~4500rpm at which point the fuel delay kicks in and there is a short period where the car is extremely lean before it richens up.
Yes, that is as stupid as it sounds and how exactly is stoich not lean for a turbo car?
 
but it still did.
And of course it's not Cobb's fault, lol. When tuners start selling their tunes with engine damage warranty - we can talk. Until then please bash Subaru on the basis of longevity/reliability of stock engines on stock tunes in comparison to other brands selling turbocharged cars.
 
And of course it's not Cobb's fault

I'm glad we agree.
I have a 2011 wrx in the family now so I could defend them til my finger tips bled.
Truth is, they screwed up the reliability of the motor, by leaning it out to the point where it's just safe for the average daily driver. Take the car to a few auto x days or do some spirited driving on the weekend, and you might as well wait for the inevitable.
Just hope, the ringlands go before the warranty expires.

This quote basically describes what my view has become on the wrx,:

dunno if the '11 is better or not....but MANY of the 'factory' tunes have been just the worst **** off the bottom of the shoe what could be **** out....mostly to meet emissions....but the FIRST thing I would do to a new FI subaru is get it tuned by a competent tuner who does subaru tunes often
 
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Just hope, the ringlands go before the warranty expires.

The dealer told my friend if it was the ringlands, that its caused by abuse and they would not cover it. His was only covered because the cam gear was cracked and so they could blame that instead.
 
Abuse has to be proven. There is no way Subaru can deny warranty if there is not a shred of proof of abuse. Even a rookie lawyer is unlikely to screw up cases like that. Dealers will always try to convince you otherwise though.
Factory tunes are set-up with spending to fix warranty claims factored in. 'Tuners' tunes aren't. There's is nothing wrong with flashing different maps, but that voids any right to blame the manufacturer for failures.

And please point me to the thread here, where there's BMW's N54 bashing going on, I'd like to join.
 
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There isn't one, simply cause there don't seem to be many bashers/haters of BMW.
Only reason we have subaru bashing is cause Azure, being a bimmer faithful, has an issue with all the Subaru fanboys he has come across, I don't really blame him, as the subie crowd can be as bad as the miata kiddies.
Whether it's warranted or necessary is a different story but the replies he gets from a few of the people, sure do back up his fanboy nature of the subaru crowd.
 
Sure, it has to be proven, but when they're telling you that "Yeah we can pull the motor and check for what we suspect the issue to be, but if its this, its caused by abuse and you're footing the bill.", what are you gonna do?
 
Yup, except only the shadiest of shadies will NOT do free work on busted ringlands. When did your friend have this happen? These days as soon as the car gets towed to a dealer and you tell them what happened, they have a shortblock on order in minutes.
They will check for mods that might've contributed and if you're clear, you're good to go.
I'd also love for subaru to explain what abuse is, to them? Are they selling the WRX/STI to be driven like a base impreza? Is going to redline here and there abuse to them?
 
There isn't one, simply cause there don't seem to be many bashers/haters of BMW.
Only reason we have subaru bashing is cause Azure, being a bimmer faithful, has an issue with all the Subaru fanboys he has come across, I don't really blame him, as the subie crowd can be as bad as the miata kiddies.
Whether it's warranted or necessary is a different story but the replies he gets from a few of the people, sure do back up his fanboy nature of the subaru crowd.

I use to be a large Subaru fan, for many years to be honest. I still love how the SVX looks, and the 06 WRX I drove around in for a few months was fun, but didn't quite do it for me like the AW11 I had. I'd go for a GC model with a WRX swap pretty easily if I was looking for a fun thing with AWD. Newer models don't quite do it for me, between the pricing, complexity, and other issues.

dsgerbc, I've been talking about the factory tune, from Subaru, not any aftermarket tunes. As eSZee has pointed out, several times, this was a common and widespread issue due to them making it run excessively lean at high rpms. Which helped emissions figures but not much else. I'm quite curious why this is the thread you've picked to start posting outside of the GT5 area, and why you seem to disagree with most everything with no supporting argument or evidence beyond "I said so."

As for the abuse part, it is pretty easy for a dealer to play "well, the tires have sidewall wear, which means xyz" etc. Plus the labor for something like a compression test, an easy way to tell if the rings are having issues, is much more than on normal engines. My friend bought an '08, new, and had an endless array of problems with it. The dealer networks around here were not the best about checking anything and would turn him away (to his fault, he isn't exactly a smooth talker) but the fact was it was blatantly obvious something was wrong with how the car was running, and the dealers would just act as if that was how it was suppose to be. Eventually the motor was replaced, under warranty, only to end up having the same issues because, guess what, the problem is in the mapping and not the mechanical. Most aftermarket tunes, as pointed out, will fix this issue but in turn void the warranty.

I'd imagine these days the dealers are far more use to this problem, but back then they kept acting like it was a very unusual case.

And I never was much of a fan of Subaru giving an SCCA membership with an STi purchase, but using it for any event was easy grounds to void the warranty.

My point on the maintenance is it is generally a hell of a lot easier to work on a straight six versus a boxer four, while keeping the engine in the car.
 
New GT5 Trailers for the Toyota 86/Scion FR-S:


[YOUTUBEHD]1yVpMUieEPs[/YOUTUBEHD]

Scion FR-S

Will replace with Youtube links as soon as they are found.
 
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Sure, it has to be proven, but when they're telling you that "Yeah we can pull the motor and check for what we suspect the issue to be, but if its this, its caused by abuse and you're footing the bill.", what are you gonna do?
Call corporate line while the rep is still trying to BS you?
 
New GT5 Trailers for the Toyota 86/Scion FR-S:


[YOUTUBEHD]1yVpMUieEPs[/YOUTUBEHD]

Scion FR-S

Will replace with Youtube links as soon as they are found.

Wow finally vindication! When people before said ''meh I dont think so.'' Glad to see it in the game, hopefully we can drive it soon virtually!
 
Yup, except only the shadiest of shadies will NOT do free work on busted ringlands. When did your friend have this happen? These days as soon as the car gets towed to a dealer and you tell them what happened, they have a shortblock on order in minutes.
They will check for mods that might've contributed and if you're clear, you're good to go.
I'd also love for subaru to explain what abuse is, to them? Are they selling the WRX/STI to be driven like a base impreza? Is going to redline here and there abuse to them?

Hmm...happened at an autocross around fall of 2010 I think. It blew out a bunch of white smoke one a run and he knew what it was right then. Took a lot of calls to Subaru of America to get it taken care of. And then when they got the replacement piston(s) in, they said one looked used so had to order another!

I'm kinda split on what should be considered "abuse." Most autocross events aren't that hard on the engine unless you're banging off the rev limiter a lot. I'd say brakes take the most severe beating from it. Running on a circuit is probably more of a reason to not honor a warranty because that's a lot longer duration of high revs, braking harder from higher speed, and its not over in 40-120 seconds.


Re: GT5 video - Is it just me or are they not wearing helmets?
 
Scion FR-S???
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http://jalopnik.com/5863954/scion-fr+s-this-is-almost-it
 
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Damn it. I wanted those FR-S concept lights.

The ones right now would look a lot better without that metal ring around em.
 
We assume that's an FR-S and not a mule driving around. The Scion is supposed to be unveiled tonight at 8pm PST, so we'll find out for sure then.
 
I'm really hoping this doesn't end up with Veloster inspired fuel economy gear ratios because that thing is annoying as hell to drive with a manual.
 
It's 2012, all new cars are required to have chrome headlights.
Tail lights look some ebay stuff.
 
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