Sciaru BRZFRS (BreezeFrees)

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So many people.
It looks plenty fast enough on paper to me, and I read some reviews that say it handles really well, gives great feed back through the steering and has great throttle response. But of course there will probably be plenty of people who will buy this and only care about making it faster in a straight line, completely missing the point of the car.

So when I add my Tom's bolt ons to mine I will be considered one of these people completely missing the point of the car??? :ouch:
 
So when I add my Tom's bolt ons to mine I will be considered one of these people completely missing the point of the car??? :ouch:

It all depends on what those bolt ons are, but I was mainly referring to the type of people who will only care about what they can beat in a drag race. Which they are perfectly entitled to do, but missing the point of the car.
 
Exactly. Sort of how like Clarkson described the MP4-12c and 458. fun.

And the 80bhp smart roadster. What's your point?

So when I add my Tom's bolt ons to mine I will be considered one of these people completely missing the point of the car??? :ouch:

No, you'd just be an enthusiast modifying your car. If you want to go faster that's your own business, my point is that the car doesn't need to be faster to be fun. To argue that Toyota/Subaru should have given the car more power is irrelevant as it was expressly not designed to be a performance car, it was designed to have fun in.

The first thing anyone does these days is moans that a car isn't fast enough, without considering that it doesn't need to be fast to be fun. If you want to go fast, there are plenty of other cars out there. If you want to have fun at safe, legal speeds, the choice is much narrower.

An original Lotus 7 had about 50bhp and still managed to be fun. A Lotus Elan S1 had about 110-115bhp and outhandles anything made before and most things made since. Less power than most economy cars these days but more fun than most supercars.

Likewise, grip. If people want to change the wheels and tyres to go quick on a circuit that's up to them, but Toyota deliberately went for narrow tyres so you can slide the car around at sane speeds, like an old MX5. Fitting fatter tyres might make you go around the next corner quicker, but the limit becomes far higher which means you need to be doing illegal speeds to feel like you're pushing the car.

All a fun car needs is enough power to overcome modest grip, unless you spend your life on a circuit.
 
fun[/I] car needs is enough power to overcome modest grip, unless you spend your life on a circuit.

Nicely put, I tried to tell people something similar before about the AE86, but they just went on about how a Civic v tec is faster and an MX-5 handles better, it just goes right over their head, they're to used to reading about cars performance figures and thinking that has something to do with how much fun a car is.
 
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Anybody who can't separate the concepts of fun and speed has obviously never driven a good sports car.
 
Precisely. I hope I can separate them after 4 years of first generation rx-7 ownership :p

I defy anyone to show me a turbo car that sounds better than this:


Back on topic...I'm finding videos of the BRZFRS with good quality audio hard to find. I suppose that's to be expected of a car not yet released...but I wanna hear the damn thing! The best I've seen/heard is the one with a few laps around Fuji.
 
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Back on topic...I'm finding videos of the BRZFRS with good quality audio hard to find. I suppose that's to be expected of a car not yet released...but I wanna hear the damn thing! The best I've seen/heard is the one with a few laps around Fuji.

Did you look on ft86club.com? I'm sure I saw a video on there with a bit of sound.
 
Back on topic...I'm finding videos of the BRZFRS with good quality audio hard to find. I suppose that's to be expected of a car not yet released...but I wanna hear the damn thing! The best I've seen/heard is the one with a few laps around Fuji.



 
A quick question:

Any infos about the prices on the european (german) market?

If the Subaru costs 24k USD, the Toyota will costs less/same, right? In Euros it would be about 18k?
 
IF subaru is going back to the the WRC, the STI will have the 1.6.
Don't care about displacement. During groupB days plenty of power was delivered by 1.6L ;)
But an STI is long overdue for a power bump. With 270hp WRX I think STI is getting a bump as well. The only reason to buy '12 is the ease of tuning, if whatever they put in WRX/STI is for some reason a direct-injection-only engine (does not seem like it atm).
 
A quick question:

Any infos about the prices on the european (german) market?

If the Subaru costs 24k USD, the Toyota will costs less/same, right? In Euros it would be about 18k?

I think it's rumored 28k euro for the Toyota.
 
If the Subaru costs 24k USD, the Toyota will costs less/same, right? In Euros it would be about 18k?

You've got the exchange rate right, but unfortunately the market doesn't work like that. In the UK it's predicted around £28k which is nearer 33,000 Euros (or about $44k - $20k more than it'll be in the US, almost twice the price), and UK/European prices are much more even these days. As above, about 28k Euros is probably about right.
 
Anybody who can't separate the concepts of fun and speed has obviously never driven a good sports car.

Quoted so more people can see this. I may have been a power-mad kid at one point too, but until you realize that your car should be able to do more than just break the sound barrier, you're never going to truly enjoy driving.
 
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Quoted so more people can see this. I may have been a power-mad kid at one point too, but until you realize that your car should be able to do more than just break the sound barrier, you're never going to truly enjoy driving.

But when your car can break the sound barrier... good Lord that's like your first time adding a girl into what you usually do alone. I just simply cannot wait for this car to come out. I'm just praying the insurance on it doesn't resemble that of a wrx because even though it isn't turbo'd, it's still a sports car.
 
Quoted so more people can see this. I may have been a power-mad kid at one point too, but until you realize that your car should be able to do more than just break the sound barrier, you're never going to truly enjoy driving.

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. I can have fun with a car that goes fast and handles like crap and I can have fun with a car that handles brilliantly and is slow.

More on-topic: from what I have seen so far, I will definitely be paying a visit to the Subaru or Toyota dealership when it arrives over here.
 
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. I can have fun with a car that goes fast and handles like crap and I can have fun with a car that handles brilliantly and is slow.

Exactly. If the time comes and I'm in a position to trade the Civic, I'm split between an FR-S/BRZ or a 5.0...:lol:
 
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. I can have fun with a car that goes fast and handles like crap and I can have fun with a car that handles brilliantly and is slow.

Exactly. If the time comes and I'm in a position to trade the Civic, I'm split between an FR-S/BRZ or a 5.0...:lol:

I intended to add that sort of point before actually but it slipped my mind: It's perfectly possible to have fun in a car that only does fast and nothing else - nobody buys a '69 Charger to go around corners faster than anyone else but for smokey burnouts or simply rumbling around its unrivaled.

The idea I was trying to get at was that asking for more power in a car deliberately granted all the power it needs (one where the lead engineer has said "cars have too much power and too much grip to be fun at normal speeds") are entirely missing the ethos of the car.
 
Exactly. If the time comes and I'm in a position to trade the Civic, I'm split between an FR-S/BRZ or a 5.0...:lol:
I am having the same dilemma but add the sti in the mix as well.
 
About the sound...
Ive never heard a boxer not sound like this car, all differ slightly but the sound is unique and always there.
Keep in mind this comes from the owner of a 2.5i and a Sti.
 
You've got the exchange rate right, but unfortunately the market doesn't work like that. In the UK it's predicted around £28k which is nearer 33,000 Euros (or about $44k - $20k more than it'll be in the US, almost twice the price), and UK/European prices are much more even these days. As above, about 28k Euros is probably about right.

Yeah, I hate that...

I will definitly think of buying this car when im finished with studiying (in one year) and hopefully learn good money as a engineer, but anything above 30k is definitly overpriced.

Its a great fun car for sure, but it has only 200hp and for sure its not as safe as f.e. a c-class or 3-series and won`t have alot luxury stuff.

K, I don`t care about latter one and I prefer it about a heavy non sporty C-class, 3 series or A4, but most people don`t care about the fact that it is a true "fun car" and will say "why pay that much money for this car? can buy a c-class or 3 series coupe for the same money! or a slk/z4 for a little bit more".
Toyotas generally cost much less then BMW/Merc here in germany, I hope the GT86 will be the same too or It won`t really sell.
 
K, I don`t care about latter one and I prefer it about a heavy non sporty C-class, 3 series or A4, but most people don`t care about the fact that it is a true "fun car" and will say "why pay that much money for this car? can buy a c-class or 3 series coupe for the same money! or a slk/z4 for a little bit more".

That's the unfortunate thing. Is £28k worth it for me? Probably, yes. I can't afford it (and couldn't even if it was £12k, but that's not the point) but many people make a direct correlation between either luxury and price or power and price. And in the UK, £28k is a lot of money for a fairly basic car, no matter how much fun it is.
 
That's the unfortunate thing. Is £28k worth it for me? Probably, yes. I can't afford it (and couldn't even if it was £12k, but that's not the point) but many people make a direct correlation between either luxury and price or power and price. And in the UK, £28k is a lot of money for a fairly basic car, no matter how much fun it is.

Yep, thats the problem :sick:
Actually it is a pretty basic car, no real ground braking innovations, no expensive gadgets either. Anything above 25k is to expensive IMO.

I mean, people who want a great driving expierence and true sports car will look different at the GT86 then a "normal" ones - but there are way more "normal" customers.

The cheapest version of the c-class coupe costs about 32k Euro... A 1-series coupe costs 26k IIRC and the 3 series coupe about the same as the c-class coupe. A SLK costs 39k, a e class coupe (clk) costs 41k.

The GT86 has no chance against this cars if Toyota sells it at similar prizes.
 
I'll add this video too. The smile on his face is worth a thousand words at this point.

I hate professional drifters, they make it look so easy. :lol:

 
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