Sciaru BRZFRS (BreezeFrees)

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R1600Turbo
If you're looking for a car with "luxury stuff", this isn't the car for you. ;)
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True, but as a car without luxury stuff you'd expect the price to be reduced accordingly. It's sort of the point of the car, really. Like the MX5, it's a fairly basic, focussed package that should come in with a nicely low price tag to reflect that.
 
R1600Turbo
I'll add this video too. The smile on his face is worth a thousand words at this point.

I hate professional drifters, they make it look so easy. :lol:

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Pause between :25 and :30 and you can see the tire starting to warp. Pretty cool thing to see whenever it happens.
 
alonsof1fan91
The GT86 has no chance against this cars if Toyota sells it at similar prizes.
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I think it has, at least over here in NL. In NL, this kind of car sells very small numbers. Coming in at 40-45k euro, the target demographic is rather narrow. Most young people can't afford it, and the people who can generally have families, so they have to be willing to spend this amount of cash on a second car. So what's left is the fairly wealthy car nut. And these have very specific demands, so I doubt they'll be cross-shopping between a 1-series coupe and the GT86.
 
R1600Turbo
I'll add this video too. The smile on his face is worth a thousand words at this point.

I hate professional drifters, they make it look so easy. :lol:

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Best video yet, the car looks so well balanced and the smile is what cars like this should be all about.
Hope they don't screw up the pricing on this thing, like they do with most cars here. A base mazda mx5 is 28k euro here for what is meant to be a cheap fun car.
 
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NLxAROSA
I think it has, at least over here in NL. In NL, this kind of car sells very small numbers. Coming in at 40-45k euro, the target demographic is rather narrow. Most young people can't afford it, and the people who can generally have families, so they have to be willing to spend this amount of cash on a second car. So what's left is the fairly wealthy car nut. And these have very specific demands, so I doubt they'll be cross-shopping between a 1-series coupe and the GT86.
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Well, In germany things are probably a bit different because german cars are a little bit cheaper here. So the GT86 has to compete with such cars and sadly, most people who can afford a second car will buy a show off car, they don`t care about the engineering aspect.

The demand for cars which look "sporty" is pretty big, in the summer there are alot of SLKs,Z4s,Z3s, even the Miata sells pretty good here.
A new Miata costs 20k euro, which is alot less (20k to 39k) then the cheapest version of the SLK eventhough both cars are compareble, IMO Toyota should aim at something between 20-26k euros. Its a pretty basic car, if it is too expensive, people will just take the Miata, which is a fun car too + convertible. Even a new Golf GTI sells "only" at 27k.
 
Dat Scion.



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How is that a bad thing? Any exposure is good exposure and a older person alot of times has the financial backing to pay for a car like that outright.
 
Very few cars can pull off 19s, in my opinion.


Unfortunately this is one of them. :lol:
 
Leonidae@MFT
Old people around a car that is aimed at young people? Now I'm worried..
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Old people...who are filthy rich and showed up to Cars & Coffee in their Lamborghinis...checking out a Scion. I'm not worried.

As for the 19s, they don't look bad. But 18s would look better.
 
I'm thinking some XXR 527's with a nice stance would look insane on it. I'm sort of worried about that exhaust note though. It seemed sort of... Honda-ish. It's deep but really rasps up once it revs high so a single-exit may give it the "me after a few burritos" sound. Regardless, I love the car and want one like you wouldn't believe so a little disagreement between me and the sound of Greddy's exhaust isn't going to deter me. I love the, "I ACTUALLY GET TO DRIVE IT!?" in the second video of the Greddy FR-S.
 
Still looks like kack compared to the concepts. I think I'd only ever consider one if an aftermarket company offered parts of the concepts' details via front and rear aero parts; there is too much spite between me and Toyota (what with the LF-A and all)
 
Autoblog has their First-Drive Review of the FR-S up...

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Some key things from their review...
  • Toyota brought a pretty wide selection of cars to try out... The American-tune FR-S with the six-speed manual, A Japanese-tune GT86 with a six-speed automatic, a Japanese-tune GT86 with a six-speed manual, and a European-tune GT86 development car with the six-speed manual
  • The Scion will do without a large variety of the goodies and doo-dads available on the Subaru and Toyota. Manual HVAC controls will be one of the primary "do without" option sets
  • The engineers are suggesting that the Scion FR-S will be tuned more for "sport" while the slightly more up-market Subaru BRZ will be tuned to be slightly more soft, with ride quality in mind.
  • Autoblog doesn't like the exhaust or the tire choice... As far as I can tell, they are the only folks that have complained about it thus far
  • Autoblog thinks they'll sell the FR-S for $25K, which is ballpark for the wide variety of estimates, but seems a bit high compared to some of the other estimates as of late


So, the secret is that the FR-S is the best of the three cars sold? Weird. Really, really weird.
 
YSSMAN
The engineers are suggesting that the Scion FR-S will be tuned more for "sport" while the slightly more up-market Subaru BRZ will be tuned to be slightly more soft, with ride quality in mind.
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Wasn't it posted in a different article that the Subaru was supposed to be stiffer than the Scion? :confused:
 
YSSMAN
So, the secret is that the FR-S is the best of the three cars sold? Weird. Really, really weird.
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Not surprised in the slightest. It's a car the most free of needless electronic bits and bobs, in a car designed to be free of electronic bits and bobs. The Scion is closest to the car's ethos of the three.

It also looks the best, IMO.
 
homeforsummer
The Scion is closest to the car's ethos of the three... It also looks the best, IMO.
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It all just seems so strange simply because Scion, at least to me, is the "Afterthought Brand" for Toyota. Everything mainstream gets the swoopy Toyota badge on the hood, everything else gets pushed off to Scion. Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't. My guess is that they're hoping to sell a bunch of tCs after this... Bring the kids in for the FR-S, find out its RWD in an area with snow, send them home with a cheaper tC. Everybody wins.


Also, I agree the FR-S is the bet-looking. Losing the rediculous fog lights from the Toyota, and the plastic thing from the Subaru goes a long, long way to make the car look substantially better. I'm interested to see what the "base" wheels look like. The 17" ones are suggested to be optional, perhaps they'll be pushing these out with 16" steelies?
 
I so can't wait when 10 years down the road to own one of these, probably the last batch of pure FR sports car with a proper manual gearbox from japan.
 
Old people are the only ones who track their Miatas every weekend.
 
YSSMAN
It all just seems so strange simply because Scion, at least to me, is the "Afterthought Brand" for Toyota. Everything mainstream gets the swoopy Toyota badge on the hood, everything else gets pushed off to Scion. Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't. My guess is that they're hoping to sell a bunch of tCs after this... Bring the kids in for the FR-S, find out its RWD in an area with snow, send them home with a cheaper tC. Everybody wins.
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Except those kids who are being out-dragged by garbage trucks on their way home... :lol:
 
YSSMAN
It all just seems so strange simply because Scion, at least to me, is the "Afterthought Brand" for Toyota. Everything mainstream gets the swoopy Toyota badge on the hood, everything else gets pushed off to Scion. Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't. My guess is that they're hoping to sell a bunch of tCs after this... Bring the kids in for the FR-S, find out its RWD in an area with snow, send them home with a cheaper tC. Everybody wins.


Also, I agree the FR-S is the bet-looking. Losing the rediculous fog lights from the Toyota, and the plastic thing from the Subaru goes a long, long way to make the car look substantially better. I'm interested to see what the "base" wheels look like. The 17" ones are suggested to be optional, perhaps they'll be pushing these out with 16" steelies?
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I disagree.

Scion is a brand for the younger crowd (it has a insane following in the USA) and its cars are of the same quality and reliability as Toyota.

All their cars fit their brand image well, and if anything, their cars are better than Toyota's.

The FR-S will make Scion even better, and will attract more potential consumers to see what Scion is all about.
 
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YSSMAN
The 17" ones are suggested to be optional, perhaps they'll be pushing these out with 16" steelies?
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16" alloy in the UK. No doubt most people over here spending £28k on a car will spec the 17"s regardless of whether they're actually better or not (on UK roads, invariably the answer is "not"), just like people do with MINIs.
 

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