Sciaru BRZFRS (BreezeFrees)

[YSSMAN]

I really liked the BRZ's color. It was probably the lighting but it looked a bit brighter than the WRB you see on the streets. As for the interior, it was the base BRZ, wasn't it?

The talking lady said that it was the up-level model, with the fancier interior and the rear spoiler that come as standard. I agree that WRB looked much brighter on the BRZ than a comparable Impreza, almost as if they'd tweaked the shading just a bit.

 

[dsgerbc]

The talking lady said that it was the up-level model, with the fancier interior and the rear spoiler that come as standard. I agree that WRB looked much brighter on the BRZ than a comparable Impreza, almost as if they'd tweaked the shading just a bit.

Thanks for your report. I'm still trying to convince myself to take a train to the Chicago autoshow. I would've definitely visited it if they were letting people sit in those, but...

Not a fan of the spoiler but I guess one can't have one w/o it if one wants the limited trim; I might still go and look at WRB in person though. Not my first choice, but if it's different from regular WRB I might reconsider.

 

[Omnis]

Brad, did you get a good look at the headlights? Does it look like the Subie lights will swap right into the Scion? In all these photos I can't tell if there's a little gap in the inside corner.

 

[dsgerbc]

Brad, did you get a good look at the headlights? Does it look like the Subie lights will swap right into the Scion? In all these photos I can't tell if there's a little gap in the inside corner.

No they won't. I'd guess one would need EDM Toyota 86 HIDs. BRZ lights seem a bit 'narrower' so there will be an opening in the FR-S bumper.

 

[Omnis]

But aren't the Toyota headlights the same as the Scion's? The whole point is that I hate that stupid LED light bar on the Toyota but I like the light pipe around the outside edge as on the Subaru.

 

[dsgerbc]

EDM 86s do get HIDs in higher trims. I thought you wanted HIDs, not a different LED pattern, so no idea on EDM option then.

If you take US BRZ you'll at least have an open space in the inner corner of FRS bumper.

 

[Omnis]

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm curious about. I don't know if that little indentation on the BRZ is there for style or if that is where the other car's housing lines up. They do sort of look like different shapes though. What a shame. Guess I'll be looking at the Subaru version if it comes down to that.

 

[dsgerbc]

The perceived shape difference could be just due to different viewing angles. I suppose one could find two similar hires pics with similar perspective and overlay them.

 

[Keef]

It's pretty clear that the pointy end of the headlight housings are different shapes, the Toyota/Scion being pointier than the Subaru. The indentation in the Subaru's bumper isn't the right shape to accommodate the pointy end of the Toyota's headlight, so it must just be there for interest. That indentation has a flat side, while the pointy end of the Toyota's headlight has a smooth curve.

Interestingly, the STi concept (or whatever it was) doesn't have that little indentation in the bumper.

Weird!

This is definitely the most interesting design difference between the two cars.

I still can't even tell if this indentation is concave or convex. There's no definition to the shape in any of these views. Actively looking for an answer...

Looks like it actually is an indentation...

Also, the fancy Toyota headlight with the LEDs is actually for the Toyota, not the Scion. Hopefully our high-end trims will get those headlights because they look great.

 

[Omnis]

See! That's what I'm saying.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

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Good size comparison photo:

^ Thats pretty much correct there. Scion's glorified 2-door 2nd-gen tC looks like a Camry hatchback compared to my AE86.

-> Damn, I can't wait to check out the BRZ and do a size comparison compared to my AE86. I hope the dealer here in Vegas has a demo car to toy around with...

<- Wishfull thinking...

 

[Keef]

Omnis, it appears your suspicions may have been correct. Look at how the pointy end of the Scion headlight angles inward...

...and notice how the portion before the angle has the same shape as the Subaru headlight. I think the cars have the same headlight housing, just different internals. Even so, the bumper's shape in this corner is still totally different for each car, so the Subaru's weird indentation isn't simply covering this portion of the light. You can even see that weird crosshatch pattern near the pointy end which is easily visible in the Scion headlight but right on the edge in the Subaru headlight.

Omnis, I believe you suspected correctly.

 

[Omnis]

Yeah, that's exactly why I raised the question. It's so weird. I wonder how they would look mix-matched in each car.

 

[Keef]

The Subaru headlight has the dark housing and looks a bit meaner, but it also has the square LED which doesn't flow with the Scion's bumper as well. The Toyota's headlight would be more appropriate.

 

[Omnis]

Why couldn't they just standardize the Subaru ambers and avoid this tough decision!

 

[Keef]

It's just an amber bulb yo. Autozone son, they gotchu. I'm sure the Scion bulb lights up amber anyway because it has to.

 

[CodeRedR51]

-> Damn, I can't wait to check out the BRZ and do a size comparison compared to my AE86. I hope the dealer here in Vegas has a demo car to toy around with...

Check a few pages back, there's a photo of an AE86 parked behind a FR-S.

 

[Omnis]

It's just an amber bulb yo. Autozone son, they gotchu. I'm sure the Scion bulb lights up amber anyway because it has to.

It's not the bulb, son, it's the design!

 

[squirlybmx]

Yea, the internals of the subaru light just look better overall.

 

[YSSMAN]

Brad, did you get a good look at the headlights? Does it look like the Subie lights will swap right into the Scion? In all these photos I can't tell if there's a little gap in the inside corner.

I'll have to admit that it wasn't a feature I was studying up close, but I don't think there was all that substantial of a difference. The tail lights were more similar than I expected, although it almost seemed like the BRZ had Ferrari-style LEDs going around inside.

I still can't even tell if this indentation is concave or convex. There's no definition to the shape in any of these views. Actively looking for an answer...

Looks like it actually is an indentation...

Its slightly raised from the rest of the surface of the car, on both. I have to say that it was more noticeable on the Scion than the Subaru, but I do wonder if that was because of the color, or possibly the lighting. The Scion booth was much darker, and you were able to get much closer to the vehicle.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

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Check a few pages back, there's a photo of an AE86 parked behind a FR-S.

^ I saw that post. What I mean is personally, not just the exterior, but also interior measurments/legroom/overall atmostphere/etc.

 

[squirlybmx]

More Modellista photos

Without the ugly strip down the side and different wheels.

The wing looks so much better when it has other parts complimenting it. Without a kit it looks so out of place, but that's my opinion. Wingless still looks better overall.

I'm assuming this is from the Rays booth at the Tokyo Auto Salon show.

 

[Omnis]

I'm sorry, but all of these body kits are an eyesore. So far it looks a lot better stock.

 

[Kent]

The one in red reminds me of the supra and so I actually like it to some extent. Sure Id change it in ways but overall Im still very happy with the appearnce of this car. I really just want to see what sti does with the brz. If done right we may see a really great car.

Btw anyone post or see this?!

motor trend says subby nails it!

 

[squirlybmx]

The one in red reminds me of the supra and so I actually like it to some extent. Sure Id change it in ways but overall Im still very happy with the appearnce of this car. I really just want to see what sti does with the brz. If done right we may see a really great car.

Btw anyone post or see this?!

motor trend says subby nails it!

There's a picture floating around tumblr of a BRZ STI and it's doesn't have a wing like the concept did, unless they made a wingless concept also. If I can find it tomorrow I'll post it.

 

[Keef]

These body kits would look good on a VIP-styled car. That big rear wing looks good by itself, but just isn't appropriate on a car with 200hp. If the car were retarded powerful and fast it would have earned the right to wear the spoiler.

 

[squirlybmx]

These body kits would look good on a VIP-styled car. That big rear wing looks good by itself, but just isn't appropriate on a car with 200hp. If the car were retarded powerful and fast it would have earned the right to wear the spoiler.

Considering it was designed with track use in mind, I'd say the spoiler is perfectly fine to have. If it works and actually produces downforce, then they accomplished exactly what they were aiming to do. Civics with giant spoilers from the factory are plain stupid.

 

[Keef]

Why would a 200hp Si be any worse off than a 200hp FR-S? It's not like either will ever see a second of 150mph. If people plan to use their FR-S on a track they'll probably get themselves something more useful than the goofy plastic factory wing.

 

[Kent]

Yeah, if a sports car can't do more than 100mph it really shouldn't have any kind of spoiler. 130mph I'd say a Sti size spoiler is an option but more a style choice, none the less, a spoiler is a must. By the time you're doing 150mph a Sti size spoiler is legitimately worth considering.
Again though, style trumps all.

 

[niky]

Most plastic factory spoilers are designed with one thing in mind, producing as little drag as possible while still looking good.

In some instances, they actually help reduce drag or combat lift, but a properly designed car (like the 86) won't have lift in the first place (not like an early 90's Corolla... boy... talk about trying to take off...), and reducing drag on a design like that would need a different kind of spoiler... one that doesn't produce considerable downforce.

You're just not going to get enough g's at a high enough cornering speed for a cosmetic to make a difference... or at least, more of a difference than an extra subwoofer bolted to the trunk floor... if you want useable downforce on your 86, get ready to stink an honking big boat sail on the back and a nice front splitter to balance it out.