Sciaru BRZFRS (BreezeFrees)

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R1600Turbo
Are you really up to speed on how much cars weigh these days? Most compact cars hover around 1360kg, with some being much more than that.:dunce:
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I was thinking the same thing. My MazdaSpeed 3 I had in the states is over 1400kg I believe. Pretty compact but still quite a bit heavier than this machine.
 
The BRZ (or one of them, who knows) is supposedly 2669lbs. A new Miata is about 2410lbs. I'd say that's pretty light by current standards. Its also about 150lbs lighter than an S2000, and 300lbs lighter than my Civic.
 
My M3 is over 3000lbs, and my old AW11 was about 2300 pounds. My MR-S was a bit under 2200 pounds. But it was an exceptionally light weight car for the time, with only Lotus having something lighter, I think.

Compared to most, it is a feather weight. The Miata ranges from 2400 to 2700, from what I recall, depending on the options and such.

And I don't expect it to me much faster than mid 6.5s to 60mph, with the gear count, peak torque, and tire sizes.
 
I know it's not considered heavy by standards these days, but it is heavier than I'd like it to be.
I just though doing something like honda did with the type r would be nice, lighter car with tuned engine and suspension and instead of going with turbo AWD and extra weight, but like homeforsummer said, I could always strp it out a bit, if it bothered me that much.
 
eight6er
I know it's not considered heavy by standards these days, but it is heavier than I'd like it to be.
I just though doing something like honda did with the type r would be nice, lighter car with tuned engine and suspension and instead of going with turbo AWD and extra weight, but like homeforsummer said, I could always strp it out a bit, if it bothered me that much.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but...

1. The Type R is heavier than the FR-S
2. FR-S is not Turbo'd
3. FR-S is not AWD

I'm a bit confused by what you have said. This FR-S is quite a bit better equipped and is only 200 or so kg's heavier than the AE86 from the 80's. I'm honestly stunned that they were able to pull off this feat.
 
Kamuifanboy
Correct me if I'm wrong but...

1. The Type R is heavier than the FR-S
2. FR-S is not Turbo'd
3. FR-S is not AWD

I'm a bit confused by what you have said. This FR-S is quite a bit better equipped and is only 200 or so kg's heavier than the AE86 from the 80's. I'm honestly stunned that they were able to pull off this feat.
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1. I said "like Honda did with the type r". Honda's type r models always have factory tweaks to make them lighter, like no sound deadening among other things.

2,3. I saw a lot of people saying they wanted AWD and turbo on this car, I was just saying how I would prefer something different.

200kg is a lot to me, the car I drive now is 1130kg and sometimes I'd still prefer something lighter and smaller like my AE86 used to be.
 
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eSZee
THat doesn't make sense.
The FA is subaru's naturally aspirated motor while the FB is the engine used in the new imprezas as well as upcoming WRX cars. The FB comes in 1.6, 2.0, and 2.5L flavourz.
So they're making the NA motor into an FI motor even though they already have the FB?
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Maybe they are making it because of the size of the FA and the power it will make compare to what the FB can do with the same size.
 
eight6er
1. I said "like Honda did with the type r". Honda's type r models always have factory tweaks to make them lighter, like no sound deadening among other things.

2,3. I saw a lot of people saying they wanted AWD and turbo on this car, I was just saying how I would prefer something different.

200kg is a lot to me, the car I drive now is 1130kg and sometimes I'd still prefer something lighter and smaller like my AE86 used to be.
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Remember, this is just the base car. Rumour has it both TOM's and TRD have already started working on tuned models (possibly shown at January's Tokyo Auto Salon), so it's very possible we'll see Type-R-esque factory tweaks to make it lighter.

A modern production car of this class range will never, ever be as light as an AE86 because of modern safety regulations and all the associated gubbins. As others have said it's incredible how light they've made the 86/BRZ already.

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According to Adam at 7Tune, the "ultra stripped-out, bare bones" model will come it at 1180kg. I'm not sure if he's taking about the (likely) Japan-only "Customize Grade" model that comes with unpainted bumpers, aircon and audio delete, and steelies. He also seems to confirm the rumours of the TOM's and TRD models.

Source
 
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RocZX
Maybe they are making it because of the size of the FA and the power it will make compare to what the FB can do with the same size.
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Well, the direct injection alone would make a bit of difference.
Meh, I'm not sure anymore.
 
1200 is only heavy compared to the likes of a Mazda2 or a SMART car... neither of which is available in a tune that can match this.

The lightest rear-wheel drive sports cars on the market (sans the MX-5, which is really, astoundingly, exceptionally light for a modern car) are in the 1400-1500 kilogram range.

BMW does offer the 1-series at just under 1300 kg in fully stripped form (1.6 liter motor, no options) but that's hardly competition.

I'm betting if you strip out the insulation, options and rear seats and change some of the panels for lighter CF, as well as simplifying the exhaust system (remove the large sideways can and replace with a lighter aftermarket unit), you could get that 1200 kg weight down to around 1100 kg... which would be pretty fantastic. It's a fair-bet they didn't do anything special with the hood, door and trunk panels to keep costs down... so there's bound to be some lightening available there.
 
I thought I read somewhere that the hood and maybe roof were supposed to be aluminum.
 
Subaru BRZ Convertible rendering. :lol:
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Oh dear no. Kill it with fire.

Who's responsible for this Abomination?
 
I never expected it to be as light as an AE86, just hoped it would have been a bit closer than 1,220kg. If 1,180kg is true for base models, it's looking a bit more impressive. The low center of gravity might give it characteristics closer to that of a lighter car too. The tuning companies seem to be getting ready for it's release already, so plenty of light weight panel options will hopefully be available.
 
niky
The lightest rear-wheel drive sports cars on the market (sans the MX-5, which is really, astoundingly, exceptionally light for a modern car) are in the 1400-1500 kilogram range.
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Not to mention it's a convertible, which usually takes more bracing to keep it from flexing without the roof, and all that adds extra weight.

BMW does offer the 1-series at just under 1300 kg in fully stripped form (1.6 liter motor, no options) but that's hardly competition.
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Pretty sure it's not available in the US either.

Oh, and nice double post. :D
 
I really hope they don't do that, car just doesn't look right with the top down and it won't be as light.
 
RACECAR
I really hope they don't do that, car just doesn't look right with the top down and it won't be as light.
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Though I would never buy a vert like that. If it brings more money/ recognition in make it makes no difference to me. I do believe this car is focused on weight and all but there is a large part of the public that is not interested in stuff like that it would make some sense in some circles.
 
Convertible looks okay-ish. Although with 2+2 there will be no trunk space. And it will add at least 100lbs to weight.
 
I actually like the convertible a lot. Just shorten it a bit and it'd be somewhat better.
 
To be honest... I've never really cared for convertibles. Don't try to convince me or anything otherwise; it's just that I just haven't been real excited when the notion of a convertible or a spyder is mentioned. I'll agree with RACECAR. Why not a targa top or something version of this car instead of a full-on convertible?
 
JohnBM01
To be honest... I've never really cared for convertibles. Don't try to convince me or anything otherwise; it's just that I just haven't been real excited when the notion of a convertible or a spyder is mentioned. I'll agree with RACECAR. Why not a targa top or something version of this car instead of a full-on convertible?
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It's cool for cars like the 16m and the Gallardo Syder but you're right, I've never been a fan of convertible lower end sports cars.
 
R1600Turbo
Not to mention it's a convertible, which usually takes more bracing to keep it from flexing without the roof, and all that adds extra weight.
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If we're talking about the MX-5, since it was designed as a roadster, then there's no need for extra bracing, as that's designed in from the start, since it's a roadster and all the chassis stiffness is already designed into the roofless unibody. A convertible is a be-roof-ed car with the top chopped off, which compromises the designed unibody, which is why most convertibles are much heavier than the MX-5.

But then again, with the NA, Mazda let the chassis hang all out, anyway... which is why a cheap fiberglass/plastic hardtop makes it so much stiffer! :lol:

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Pardon the double-posts. Internet is having conniptions. It takes ages for the system to update pages, and sometimes the forum software sees a single reply as two separate server requests. (Yes, I don't spam the reply button, in order to prevent this, but the computer double-posts for me, anyway)
 

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