Scrap non premiums

[witham]

You're so right 👍

You should hop on your PC and start programming those models. You should also fly around the world modelling and recording every car.

BTW, I think they already have 200 Premium models. Just stay out of the UCD and you'll be fine.

This is all rubish, lets get this clear I love prmium model quality but I hate the cars, all the best cars are standards e.g. old le mans cars, classic rally cars, lancing stratos, mclaren gtr, seriously I could list all day! Now I would get rid of gt5 straight away if these cars weren't in the game!

 

[charliec]

This is all rubish, lets get this clear I love prmium model quality but I hate the cars, all the best cars are standards e.g. old le mans cars, classic rally cars, lancing stratos, mclaren gtr, seriously I could list all day! Now I would get rid of gt5 straight away if these cars weren't in the game!

I love standards too! I was just being sarcastic because the OP was acting like having standards in the game was ruining it and that they put no effort into the premiums. I like both. I have way more standards in my garage than premiums

If they could make all Standards into Premium models, I'd love for them to, but realistically I know the amount of time and man power it takes to do it (not to mention resources for modeling and recording) so I'm not upset that they didn't do it.

 

[DMC_S2000]

so in short...you only want premium cars in the game

 

[freedomweasel]

so in short...you only want premium cars in the game

I think that's mostly the case. Though the OP seems to want the premium cars to be even more premium, but only the ones that a lot of people use.

I still haven't quite figured out the point/request here.

 

[DMC_S2000]

I think that's mostly the case. Though the OP seems to want the premium cars to be even more premium, but only the ones that a lot of people use.

I still haven't quite figured out the point/request here.

he was so overwhelmed with the premium cars' graphical detail ...made him really want to eliminate standard cars...that could be the reason...

 

[ghsnu]

Sounds like someone lost to a standard car. Umad bro?

Sure they should've made all the cars premium, but it isn't a big issue. I'm scratching my head to as why premium cars should only be allowed online....

Some of the standard cars are quite fun (fully tuned AWD station wagons come to mind), and without them, this game would have far less content than Forza and other racing games.

Just wait and see if PD upgrades the standards. If they don't, it isn't the end of the world...or at least not for me.

 

[Bystronicman]

This is a horrible idea.Why would they remove cars that are already there?I would rather be able to drive over a 1000 cars with some of them being less than perfect than drive only 200 cars.In this case,less is not more.

 

[deviln3]

That is just retarded.. too many people here glass half empty type....


Not all of us use the cockpit view when racing, I'd rather have 1000 standard cars than 200 premium cars. Most of the standard cars have great exteriors, people need to stop complaining about this.

 

[emeraldpython]

I'd rather have 1000 standard cars than 200 premium cars. Most of the standard cars have great exteriors, people need to stop complaining about this.

This.

 

[ucwepn]

Most of my favourite cars are standards. Looks isn't everything.

 

[TRC GeorgiaDawg]

Cockpit is a gimmick?? You cant have a simulation racing game if you dont have a cockpit view, thats not even debatable. No cockpit view or way to look through the windshield is NOT a simulation racing game. Period. Unless you are simulating car surfing. If the premium cars were removed GT5 would be 0% simulation. The premiums are the only cars with the cockpit view.

It is very debatable. Cockpit views are CASUAL EYE CANDY disquised as sim feature. It's just a shame that so many fall for the casual gimmickry of it. Nevermind the simple fact that you actually see less out of a video game cockpit than you would out of a real car. Nevermind that you don't drive with a wheel that you can see, then have another wheel rendered on your "screen". The biggest problem is you have less visual cues than you would in reality. Bumper cam, with it's rear view mirror, is the most sim view for real sim racers.

If I had a nickel for every time some casual noob caused a wreck because they were all "immersed" in their gimmick cockpit and had no clue of their surroundings I'd be a rich man.

When the day comes that I can put on a virtual reality headset then maybe cockpit cams can be realistic enough to not be a eye candy gimmick. But right now it's just that, a gimmick disguised as sim.

 

[rallysporttuner]

i totally disagree, i think the standard car handle realistic, cause i have driven and racing in some of the 90s japanese cars, and when i play the game they do the same thing they do in real life, so before you go trashing the game cause the cars feel unrealistic go drive some for yourself and i think you will change your mind. and the only thing you can't do with standard cars is tune them and have a cockpit view so whats the big deal about not having a different view or changing the rims. if you don't like the game then don't play it cause no one is holding a gun to your head and telling you to play

 

[shirakawaa]

I don't agree about removing Standard cars but I understand the reasoning.

Standard cars feel inferior not only in the graphics aspect, but also generally in accuracy (specifications errors left uncorrected since past games) and behavior (ever noticed, for example, that rolling over Standard cars is much more difficult than with Premium ones?), although yes they can be fun to drive (but not that there is much choice for variety, since they are 8/10 of the game's car content).

Not only they are graphically outdated; chances are that although the physics engine is the same for all cars, their technical data needed to reproduce their driving behavior is not as detailed either.

However, seeing that Premium cars have errors and inaccuracies too (for example, several cars with automatic gearboxes behaving like manuals, sound errors, wrong details like on the Audi R8, etc). I don't think that it would change a dime if PD concentrated their efforts only on them. That's what they did anyway, since Standards are mostly a cut&paste job.

 

[Tenacious D]

I really do not support your argument.

Why don't we focus on the other parts on the game, like MORE EVENTS and MORE TRACKS? The lack of both of these makes the game lose its replayability.

Jeez, does everything have to be about graphics these days?

No kidding. I have ten times as many Standards as Prems, because they're cooler and more fun. And on that point...

But why are they your favorite, because they feel arcadelike, not because they are looking great, sounding real, behave real? So as i see it its because they are fun to drive. Think there are lots of other games that do that better with better graphics and sound for that kind of driving. See Dirt, Grid, Shift...

Do what better? Drive arcade-like? Then you play those games and romp all over those message boards, so we can be free to enjoy our game the way we want. I don't like them. I like GT5. Even as it is.

By the way Shirakawa, I raced a 350Z in both Standard and Premium versions, same setups, and they felt pretty darn identical. I don't think your argument has proven very persuasive, even though they seem to be harder to roll. Like, so what?

 

[PAWEL17]

Scrap them all, please don't, some of em like the xj220 and zonda are in tbat group. PD should be cracking on to upgrade those supercars, and the le-mans standard raxe cars as priority, and please do em quickly!! I'm dying! At looking at GT4 ported cars, which after spending times with the premiums look terrible!....srill look better than forza

 

[shirakawaa]

By the way Shirakawa, I raced a 350Z in both Standard and Premium versions, same setups, and they felt pretty darn identical.

I think it would make sense even to PD (at least that, I hope), also to avoid exposing blatant flaws, to upgrade at zero cost the technical data of Standard cars when there are corresponding Premium versions.

I don't think your argument has proven very persuasive, even though they seem to be harder to roll. Like, so what?

If they are harder to roll over (not only that: when, after much effort, you manage to roll them, you can see that they're eerily very bottom-heavy), that means that something is wrong in their behavior. It could be their center of gravity (likely), or due to special "exceptions" by the physics engine, or anything else. Either way, that's not something that I find acceptable from a car simulator, since that implies it's not simulating reality anymore.

 

[v-man]

Just say no to drugs.

This, and PD please spend more time on standards, wheel change and used wheels, aero parts. The premiums are good enough to start with.

 

[Mulan]

i guess a good way is to let standard cars only be allowed in arcademode while gt life is only for premiums. they must do this game better and that is only manageble if they narrow down the numbers. It is more fun to drive cars that are configured as their reallife versions and simulated accurately.

 

[RedBaron]

I don't even collect or buy standards. They just aren't worth the money. Wait for more premiums till GT6.

 

[Tenacious D]

If they are harder to roll over (not only that: when, after much effort, you manage to roll them, you can see that they're eerily very bottom-heavy), that means that something is wrong in their behavior. It could be their center of gravity (likely), or due to special "exceptions" by the physics engine, or anything else. Either way, that's not something that I find acceptable from a car simulator, since that implies it's not simulating reality anymore.

I think your expectation might be influencing your perception a bit. Frankly, I couldn't care less about rolling cars. All I care about is how they behave during a race, and this is the focus of my attention. The way the Standard Supras, Ford GTs or what have you handles versus their Premium counterparts in these non-rolling dynamics doesn't make any difference to me.

I think this is like the Forza fans defending their game when they say that T10 assures them that even though they don't feel the car jostling over the smooth Forza Nurburgring, and you can't see it in replays, the road really does have those bumps and the game really is doing the calculations under the hood for you. Some marketing department they have there.

So far, almost no one agrees with your assertions though. I've noticed this pops up periodically, and more people say there's no difference in racing performance between the two classes. I'm nowhere near as precise as a Formula 1 driver, but I can pull off remotely consistent laps, and I'm not seeing anything in my lap times to indicate that Standards behave differently, faster or slower because of any physics differences that might possibly be pulling them onto the road more. I understand your theory, but it has to have some evidence to support it, and no one has anything, evidently even you.

i guess a good way is to let standard cars only be allowed in arcademode while gt life is only for premiums. they must do this game better and that is only manageble if they narrow down the numbers. It is more fun to drive cars that are configured as their reallife versions and simulated accurately.

I guess a good way for this to work out to everyone's satisfaction is for you to enjoy GT5 however you want. I guess you should stop telling us how to enjoy our game.

It amazes me to no end how so many complainers are telling the rest of us how we should feel, think and play GT5...

 

[Dave A]

i guess a good way is to let standard cars only be allowed in arcademode while gt life is only for premiums. they must do this game better and that is only manageble if they narrow down the numbers. It is more fun to drive cars that are configured as their reallife versions and simulated accurately.

I guess you're wrong. There's no way I would want all the standard cars taken out of the game. If they could magically convert them all into premiums then fine, but that's not possible, a few might but no where near all of them will. I don't get the issue you have here, the only downside to a standard car is the graphical quality of the car model and lack on an interior view. If that bothers you so much then smple, here's your solution, don't drive the standard cars. Sell all the standard prize cars you win and don't go into the used car dealerships.

I guess that way you can enjoy the game as you want and the rest of us can enjoy it as we want. But please stop telling everyone how the game would be better if they just took the standard cars away when there are clearly plenty of people (myself included) who have posted in this thread and dissagreed with everything you have said and even proved a lot of it wrong. The standard cars are there, there is no realistic way that they will all be replaced with premium cars. Realistically the best option is to leave them there for those that enjoy using them.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

i guess a good way is to let standard cars only be allowed in arcademode while gt life is only for premiums. they must do this game better and that is only manageble if they narrow down the numbers. It is more fun to drive cars that are configured as their reallife versions and simulated accurately.

Then please explain how people are supposed to complete the FGT, truck, and classic Japanese car events if only premiums are allowed in GT Life.

 

[freedomweasel]

i guess a good way is to let standard cars only be allowed in arcademode while gt life is only for premiums. they must do this game better and that is only manageble if they narrow down the numbers. It is more fun to drive cars that are configured as their reallife versions and simulated accurately.

This is perhaps one of the worst suggestions I've so far on this forum. That is impressive.

If you feel that way, by all means, go for it. Only drive premiums in A-Spec, no one is stopping you. (Good luck completing the events which require standards.)

But to suggest changing the game in a way which would block 80% of the cars from being used in a huge chunk of the game is completely ridiculous.

You keep saying that the standard cars aren't as accurate or modeled correctly but you've yet to show me actual proof. You can't just keep saying "I want the premiums to be more premium" and "the standards aren't accurate".

 

[Zenith]

If they really want to take advantage of the cockpit view, then they need to make it more immersive like NFS Shift did. Include more realistic disorientation on impact, give the camera more inertia and jolt through gearshifts, use blur to focus on dials and the road ahead. Right now the interior camera in GT5 looks too much like an overlay on top of the bumper cam, the point of the interior cam is to immerse us in the car.

 

[Big Ron]

This is perhaps one of the worst suggestions I've so far on this forum. That is impressive.

If you feel that way, by all means, go for it. Only drive premiums in A-Spec, no one is stopping you. (Good luck completing the events which require standards.)

But to suggest changing the game in a way which would block 80% of the cars from being used in a huge chunk of the game is completely ridiculous.

You keep saying that the standard cars aren't as accurate or modeled correctly but you've yet to show me actual proof. You can't just keep saying "I want the premiums to be more premium" and "the standards aren't accurate".

Not to mention, that you always would see the same cars as opponents and often not have a full car field with just 200 cars out of a dozen differen classes.

And the standard cars are accurate in every aspect (if you are not a bean counter), they just have less polygons than the premiums.

 

[Mulan]

I guess my point is hard to understand, sorry for that. Im not trying to tell how to play the game but how it can be improved if more stood up against PD. If more wanted to get rid of the standards then they had to make them premium and alter the requirements for the A-SPec challenges so they are as the Licenses, that means that they had to put in more relevant premium models into the game. But as long as ppl as you say "I LOVE STANDARDS" then why should they do anything? And my point with premiums is to actually make them better from todays, im not happy with the premiums of today. But for them to do this they have to probably narrow down the standards of today and concentrate on the premiums, driving feel on them and then when this is done perhaps as time goes turn more standards into the new premium.
But sure, call it a simulator and drive without cockpit view, lousy graphics, no damage, bad sound, no weightfeel and so on..driving the cars in grand theft auto is more fun then and the world is open...pls, all im saying is if more demanded better premiums then things would happen instead of defending a companys lousy decision to have as many standard models as compensation for simulating the real deal with good graphics and handling/sound.

And as i have payed for this game as you have i have right to have a different opinion, because i care about this game and those who want to ruin this game will in GT6 perhaps go on and wish for 20000 non correct cars, heck why not let us all create our own car and give it the properties we want since realism isnt that important?

BTW i think PD will not turn so many standards into Premium, my guess is they want the all new models coming in 2011 to be included, this is probably more important and probably gives more money as advertising from the Carcompany.

 

[Dave A]

Answer these questions, why would they have to narrow down the standards to improve the premiums? Do you really think the Premium cars can be improved on the PS3? Do you think if they scrapped all the standards we'd really get that many premiums cars to replace them? If so where does that leave GT6?

Some of what you suggest regading the premiums is pure nonsense btw, saying that they have no weight feel, they drive the same as the premiums. The sound is no better or worse, the only differences are graphical (including the interior view).

 

[freedomweasel]

I guess my point is hard to understand, sorry for that. Im not trying to tell how to play the game but how it can be improved if more stood up against PD. If more wanted to get rid of the standards then they had to make them premium and alter the requirements for the A-SPec challenges so they are as the Licenses, that means that they had to put in more relevant premium models into the game. But as long as ppl as you say "I LOVE STANDARDS" then why should they do anything? And my point with premiums is to actually make them better from todays, im not happy with the premiums of today. But for them to do this they have to probably narrow down the standards of today and concentrate on the premiums, driving feel on them and then when this is done perhaps as time goes turn more standards into the new premium.
But sure, call it a simulator and drive without cockpit view, lousy graphics, no damage, bad sound, no weightfeel and so on..driving the cars in grand theft auto is more fun then and the world is open...pls, all im saying is if more demanded better premiums then things would happen instead of defending a companys lousy decision to have as many standard models as compensation for simulating the real deal with good graphics and handling/sound.

And as i have payed for this game as you have i have right to have a different opinion, because i care about this game and those who want to ruin this game will in GT6 perhaps go on and wish for 20000 non correct cars, heck why not let us all create our own car and give it the properties we want since realism isnt that important?

But I do like the standards, and don't want them to change
A-spec as you describe.
I can't tell the difference between driving a standard and a premium.
It's been covered above that having a cockpit doesn't make anything inherently better or more sim like.
Graphics don't make the game any more sim like either.
If the driving in GTA is more your style and more fun, go play that.

Again, you just keep saying you want the premium cars to be "better" but you won't say what's wrong with them, only that they aren't good enough. You can have your own opinion but frankly I think you're doing a poor job explaining it. If you go out to dinner you don't complain to the chef by saying "this is bad, make it better". You might say "I want the sauce to be spicier, and thicker". If you just say "better" that doesn't help anyone at all.

If you want "better" modeling than GT5 you'll have to switch to PC and play iRacing or something similar.

 

[Mulan]

Answer these questions, why would they have to narrow down the standards to improve the premiums? Do you really think the Premium cars can be improved on the PS3? Do you think if they scrapped all the standards we'd really get that many premiums cars to replace them? If so where does that leave GT6?

Some of what you suggest regading the premiums is pure nonsense btw, saying that they have no weight feel, they drive the same as the premiums. The sound is no better or worse, the only differences are graphical (including the interior view).

I KNOW, that is my point, the premiums are not good enough, if you set the premiums to the standardcar standard then that says it all, they can do so much better here. So please, my point is still that the premiums arent good enough today and they should be better and then you would notice big differance. And as i wrote above, my guess is they will not transform many standards into premium, but they will include more premiums with all new models like cars from 2011, this gives them advertising money.

I really hope PD didnt make the premiums intentionally worse so that the standards wouldnt be even worse looking, since 8 of 10 are standards they want you to feel they are ok anyway...but i hope its nothing like that.
And i have put many examples of what they can do better: Sound, Interior view can be better with more detail (and free look), better lightning, shadows, more accurate tuning (tirepressure, wheelsize, individual springconfiguration)...

 

[freedomweasel]

This has to be the only thread on the internet complaining about the lack of detail in GT5s premium cars.

Best of luck on your quest, I'm out.