Seasonal Event # 3

[JJ72]

What upgrades? I just realised when I race normal A-spec I just beef my cars up and win by the first corner.. I don't know why

But I loved the first 2 seasonal events (haven't golded the RX-7 Tsukuba one yet tho)

sports medium on the Ford GT, and sports hard with some weight reduction on the TT was enough for me.

 

[Abriael]

I think one of the issues is that the first 2 events were set up so when maxed out (their restrictions) it was a real challenge... With the new events we don't know if a stock car with stock tyres will be enough to win? It would suck to waste a few hours playing only to realise that you can't win it with a stock car? Thoughts?

if you aren't able to gauge if you can win a challenge during your first or (stretching to the limit) second try, then you probably lack the skill and experience to win it.

Seriously, i never read so many completely nonsensical and pathetic whines like in this thread.

Scratch that, I take it back. Unfortunately they're a rather regular feature in this forum.

 

[RedBullRacer]

I think one of the issues is that the first 2 events were set up so when maxed out (their restrictions) it was a real challenge... With the new events we don't know if a stock car with stock tyres will be enough to win? It would suck to waste a few hours playing only to realise that you can't win it with a stock car? Thoughts?

This is the problem! I don't wanna sit there trying to win in a stock car when you can't, if they let me max the car out I will. Maybe it's my problem, but I would rather they set the rules and made it hard but doable.

 

[HouseChampion]

This is the problem! I don't wanna sit there trying to win in a stock car when you can't, if they let me max the car out I will. Maybe it's my problem, but I would rather they set the rules and made it hard but doable.

Of course it's your problem RedBullRacer.. Just ask Abriael. Clearly we "lack the skill and experience to win it"

 

[Homes]

In case you haven't noticed:

The Bonus Race 2 Series (aka Seasonal Events 2) now have modified their entry requirements.
For example: The tire requirements are all 'unrestricted'.

I think they may have gotten a lot looser with other requirements, too. I have already turned my PS3 off for the night. But not before Golding the Seasonal 2 races I had remaining - on Racing Softs. That includes the 2 lap NASCAR on Nurburgring Nordschleife race. And the RX-7 Tsukuba.

 

[wavy90]

There is a pretty big difference between being given a goal that you know is difficult but possible to shoot for and just given a lot of options to do with as you please and find out by trial and error where the challenge is...

I can always underpower my car for more challenge, but there is a point at which you just CANT win the race anymore so it's not a challenge, it's an excercise in futility.

The seasonal challenges were great because they gave you limits that were difficult but doable, this meant you could always enjoy your work knowing you were working towards an attainable goal without the possibility of just wasting your time on an impossible challenge.

👍 nailed it

 

[Abriael]

This is the problem! I don't wanna sit there trying to win in a stock car when you can't, if they let me max the car out I will. Maybe it's my problem, but I would rather they set the rules and made it hard but doable.

It's not rocket science to try a race once, see how far you get from first place, and gauge if you can shave those seconds off with the current setup or need some external help.

Or maybe it's like rocket sience for some self-centered whiners, judging from this thread.

 

[Devedander]

if you aren't able to gauge if you can win a challenge during your first or (stretching to the limit) second try, then you probably lack the skill and experience to win it.

Seriously, i never read so many completely nonsensical and pathetic whines like in this thread.

Scratch that, I take it back. Unfortunately they're a rather regular feature in this forum.

Really? Because the threads on the previous seasonal events would suggest otherwise...

People having tried for hours and still unable to place... if it weren't for the fact that the restrictions were designed to be winnable, most people would have probably assumed this setup just wasn't a winnable setup long before posting...

I know I personally put HOURS into a few of the races... there is NO way I could have recognized I could eventually beat those races by the second try.

The Ford Focus even in season two? I have tried DOZENS of times and STILL haven't closed closer than 6 seconds from first...

Tell me honestly that in every seasonal event up until now, had you just been handed that setup and not told it was possible, you would have KNOWN by try 2 that you could place first... you say that and I will immediatelly call BS.

If you are that confident, I would be interested in arranging a wager - we each put up $250 USD in an account with an escrow.

I setup 5 races with specific limitations. You have 2 tries each and tell me whether they are possible or impossible.

If you correctly identify all the impossible/possible ones, you win the pot. If you get even one wrong after 2 tries, you loose the pot.

Put your money where your mouth is?

 

[TeeRick]

A ****ING PRIUS RACE in new seasonal event, A ****ING PRIUS.

and no restriction!!! of course being PD they can't get it right always, they must screw up when things are fixed!

I just got finished with them... truthfully the Prius race was the hardest of the five, because even if you had the money to max out your Prius.. it STILL wasn't much faster than anyone else.

 

[HouseChampion]

I'm calling bs judging by his posts elsewhere all he does is bag everyone.

Not going to win this argument because someone has had way too much practice

 

[RedBullRacer]

It's not rocket science to try a race once, see how far you get from first place, and gauge if you can shave those seconds off with the current setup or need some external help.

Or maybe it's like rocket sience for some self-centered whiners, judging from this thread.

All I'm saying is, before they had it perfect! There was no reason to change it, and the fact a lot of people are unhappy shows that they shouldn't have changed it.

I just hope they change it back as it was the best racing I've had in the game thus far.

 

[Abriael]

People having tried for hours and still unable to place...

If they've tried for hours and they're still unable to place it means that their current skill isn't good enough to place. It's that simple.

And if they REALLY want to know if they're winnable, then looks like we're all on the internet. I know, PREPOSTEROUS right?

What did those people do, if not coming here on the forum and... oh my god.. ask? They were told they were winnable and continued trying.

The Ford Focus even in season two? I have tried DOZENS of times and STILL haven't closed closer than 6 seconds from first...

Then maybe you simply can't do it? You should be happy that you've now been given the *omg choice* to play it with a little easier setup.

Tell me honestly that in every seasonal event up until now, had you just been handed that setup and not told it was possible, you would have KNOWN by try 2 that you could place first... you say that and I will immediatelly call BS.

You can call BS as much as you want, like anyone would care about some random whiner on the internet.

If you are that confident, I would be interested in arranging a wager - we each put up $250 USD in an account with an escrow.

LOL. The only worse thing than a pathetic whiner is a pathetic whiner with disposable income and the stupidity to gamble online.

Seriously, cry me a river. I will tell you the same I told to the ones that whined-a-lot about the difficulty of the previous challenges. You don't like how they are set up? Don't play them.

You paid for a packaged game. Anything you're being given now is *extra*. You're entitled to nothing.
No one is holding you to a gunpoint to play the challenges at all, so you can spend your time doing something you deem more fun.
On the other hand, this change will ensure that the vast majority of the people that bought the game will actually enjoy the new content offered. Good for them, bad for you.

All I'm saying is, before they had it perfect! There was no reason to change it, and the fact a lot of people are unhappy shows that they shouldn't have changed it.

I just hope they change it back as it was the best racing I've had in the game thus far.

You obviously must have missed the endless river of whines from those that couldn't gold the first two challenges.
Make them hard, and people that don't manage will whine like Yamauchi personally ran their cat over. Make them unrestricted and everyone will have a chance to run the races like they want. Unfortunately there still will be a number of self-centered wannabe-hardcore whiners that are absolutely convinced that PD should cater to them and only to them, leaving everyone else out.

The fact that a few self-centered whiners on a forum do their usual occupation (whining) doesn't show anything at all.

 

[HouseChampion]

I think someone is missing the point here

 

[Abriael]

I think someone is missing the point here

Yep. And that's you. You can run the race like you want. Don't wanna make an effort effort to gauge if you can win it by restricting yourself? It's your problem.

This ensures that a LOT more people will enjoy the seasonal events, which is a good thing.

 

[Devedander]

Put your money where your mouth is?

snip snip

No

Ok I see. So you are totally sure you are right but not sure enough to get handed $250 for it huh? I mean I am SURE 2+2=4... anyone want to make a wager with me on this?

Oh and as for disposable income? Nice try to dodge... I am not flat broke, but $250 is no small amount of money for me... that's why I suggested that much... it's enough to mean something. Besides, if I am going to spend the time to come up with 5 races that are beatable but hard, it's gotta be worth my while right?

But it's ok... you just want to talk the talk, not walk the walk, so it doesn't matter how much it was does it?

Yep. And that's you. You can run the race like you want. Don't wanna make an effort effort to gauge if you can win it by restricting yourself? It's your problem.

This ensures that a LOT more people will enjoy the seasonal events, which is a good thing.

I want to have access to a constant stream of fresh but very challenging races that reward me directly for getting the most out of tuning my car instead of slapping horse power on it and that have been carefully designed to assure me a challenge without any risk of being impossible... please refresh me on how I can do this like I want again?

Oh wait, you probably don't want to bother... you just want to say it and not back your words

 

[crazy88uk]

Admitedly I haven't read the entire thread, but here is my opninion.

I loved the seasonal events with restrictions, they were a great challenge. I have won gold on 1 event so far, silver and bronze on a few, and a fifth on another (which has unfortunately now expired as i wanted to give it another go).

I loved how the first time I raced I felt like i'd never win, but after several attempts i found myself shaving seconds off laps, really learning the tracks and cars better.

I have mixed feelings about removing resitrictions. I admit, i'm guilty of sometimes max'ing my car out to win a race, but sometimes I only have 30-60 mins to play due to family/ home/ work commitments and want to earn some quick cash/ xp. However, I liked that the seasonal events were fixed like that, it meant that A-Spec grinding was fine for cash and xp, and seasonal events were good for a lump sum and track/ car practice to really refine techniques. Plus the staggered start made it a nice challenge for 5 laps, rather than getting into first after the first few corners and then just holding the lead.

I also think that they could implement a sliding scale of how much xp you earn according to how powerful you make your car. (I guess kind of like Forza). For those who like the challenge of racing an un-modded car, they should have a reward of higher cash and xp.

Either way, I think i'm going to try limit my car modifications for seasonal events as i loved the challenge so much. Perhaps if i haven't won it just before it expires i will quickly max out my car to get that last little bit of cash.

All i know is that I want to go home from work and play the game!!!

 

[Abriael]

I want to have access to a constant stream of fresh but very challenging races that reward me directly for getting the most out of tuning my car instead of slapping horse power on it and that have been carefully designed to assure me a challenge without any risk of being impossible... please refresh me on how I can do this like I want again?

You can do that, and mind you, even learn to gauge your own ability compared to the car you're driving. I know, learning is such a useless thing nowadays right?

Oh, and mind you "have access to a costant stream" of anything, is nothing you're entitled to. You paid for a packaged game and nothing else, and PD is giving you further *free* content because they feel like it.
Like it? Play it.
Don't like it? Don't play it. There'll be a millions of other people that will enjoy it and that didn't enjoy it when it was restricted.

As much as this probably infuriates you, game development isn't all about what you want. If you can't adapt, jump ship.
It's that simple.

 

[CelestialVoyage]

Didn't feel like reading the other posts, but I am going to guess that Polyphony has either removed the restriction as a freebie for the GT community, or the common complainers that ruin everything they see as unfit. Now, this could actually help me with my situation, as I spent every single credit on a Formula GT and to get that one trophy. Plus, it's New Year's, so maybe it's a freebie.

Ehh, I'll just blame the casuals who play this game.

 

[Devedander]

You can do that, and mind you, even learn to gauge your own ability compared to the car you're driving. I know, learning is such a useless thing nowadays right?

I am pretty sure no one can accurately guage exactly how good they are on their first or second try at anything... even something they are very good at. Otherwise professional drivers wouldn't keep trying to be records... some of which never get beaten proving these professional and experienced drivers didn't know they couldn't do it.

Nice try... but insulting someone tongue in cheek isn't an alternative to actually making a solid argument and it' actually pretty detrimental to your appearance when you are clearly wrong in the process

Oh, and mind you "have access to a costant stream" of anything, is nothing you're entitled to. You paid for a packaged game and nothing else, and PD is giving you further *free* content because they feel like it.
Like it? Play it.
Don't like it? Don't play it. There'll be a millions of other people that will enjoy it and that didn't enjoy it when it was restricted.

As much as this probably infuriates you, game development isn't all about what you want. If you can't adapt, jump ship.
It's that simple.

Oh look! "When I am wrong about what you can have, I will just change it to what you are entitled to!" it's just getting sadder by the post!!!

Then again I guess you really have nothing left to loose... I mean is there really any more down to go after someone offers you $250 to do something you have told everyone is easy to do and you can't even accept?

 

[BETOGTR]

Agree a 100 % with you mate

Admitedly I haven't read the entire thread, but here is my opninion.

I loved the seasonal events with restrictions, they were a great challenge. I have won gold on 1 event so far, silver and bronze on a few, and a fifth on another (which has unfortunately now expired as i wanted to give it another go).

I loved how the first time I raced I felt like i'd never win, but after several attempts i found myself shaving seconds off laps, really learning the tracks and cars better.

I have mixed feelings about removing resitrictions. I admit, i'm guilty of sometimes max'ing my car out to win a race, but sometimes I only have 30-60 mins to play due to family/ home/ work commitments and want to earn some quick cash/ xp. However, I liked that the seasonal events were fixed like that, it meant that A-Spec grinding was fine for cash and xp, and seasonal events were good for a lump sum and track/ car practice to really refine techniques. Plus the staggered start made it a nice challenge for 5 laps, rather than getting into first after the first few corners and then just holding the lead.

I also think that they could implement a sliding scale of how much xp you earn according to how powerful you make your car. (I guess kind of like Forza). For those who like the challenge of racing an un-modded car, they should have a reward of higher cash and xp.

Either way, I think i'm going to try limit my car modifications for seasonal events as i loved the challenge so much. Perhaps if i haven't won it just before it expires i will quickly max out my car to get that last little bit of cash.

All i know is that I want to go home from work and play the game!!!

 

[Abriael]

I am pretty sure no one can accurately guage exactly how good they are on their first or second try at anything... even something they are very good at. Otherwise professional drivers wouldn't keep trying to be records... some of which never get beaten proving these professional and experienced drivers didn't know they couldn't do it.

Nice try... but insulting someone tongue in cheek isn't an alternative to actually making a solid argument and it' actually pretty detrimental to your appearance when you are clearly wrong in the process

yeah, because it's for you to say if someone is wrong or not right? It's called "singing to your own tune", and it doesn't make you look very good, you know?
"YOU' RE WRONG BECAUSE I SAY SO"
Just lol.

There's a wide difference between continuing to shave tenths of seconds from a record and gauging if you can reach a certain time in a reasonable amount of time with a given car. In other words, you're comparing apples to oranges, but like you said "nice try".

Oh look! "When I am wrong about what you can have, I will just change it to what you are entitled to!" it's just getting sadder by the post!!!

Not only you can have it, but you're not entitled to it, so you should be thankful, instead of crying a river because Polyphony painted the car they've gifted to you in mica instead of metallic.

Then again I guess you really have nothing left to loose... I mean is there really any more down to go after someone offers you $250 to do something you have told everyone is easy to do and you can't even accept?

And here I though that someone with a brain would have noticed, by now, that this kind of petty taunts don't really have much of an effect...

 

[The Stalker]

Personally, after reading everyones comments in this thread, I feel the following would be a good compromise/ solution.

The first week or so that the events come out, keep them restricted to only changing the set-up just as the first two batches of events initially were.

This will give everyone time to try and beat the challenges without being able to simply 'out horsepower' the AI.

Then, when the next batch of seasonal events come out a couple of weeks later, remove the restrictions on the previous events and possibly drop the prize money/ XP slightly.

This will give people the chance to mop up the gold trophies they missed out on, whilst still giving those that could win them initially a sense of achievement and better prizes for doing so.

Any thoughts?

 

[HouseChampion]

Be careful of suggesting things around here. You will get your head bitten off haha

 

[jaysvw]

I'm loving the new events! Free money!!! YAYAAAAAAA!!! Seriously, you can tune or not tune your car however you want. Who cares if PD imposes those limitations on you or you impose them on yourself? No difference really.

 

[Devedander]

yeah, because it's for you to say if someone is wrong or not right? It's called "singing to your own tune", and it doesn't make you look very good, you know?
"YOU' RE WRONG BECAUSE I SAY SO"
Just lol.

"You think seasonal events are ruined because they are fundamentally changed? You are wrong? You know why? I say so!"

Weird how that only works in one direction then huh?

There's a wide difference between continuing to shave tenths of seconds from a record and gauging if you can reach a certain time in a reasonable amount of time with a given car. In other words, you're comparing apples to oranges, but like you said "nice try".

Oh, oh, oh, let's keep shifting the target slightly as I keep being wrong again So now it's not knowing what you can achieve within 2 tries for sure, it's guaging if you can do it in a reasonable amount of time? Well what about those of us who don't mind sinking in hours as long as we know it's attainable?

You keep ignoring the legitimate difference between "very challenging" and "impossible".

Not only you can have it, but you're not entitled to it, so you should be thankful, instead of crying a river because Polyphony painted the car they've gifted to you in mica instead of metallic.

I can? So where is this feature?

And nice try but you got the analogy all wrong... PD removing restricitons is nothing like being gifted car with a paint color you don't like, if anything it' smore like the track removing restrcitions from any races they hold... and even then it's not the same.

And here I though that someone with a brain would have noticed, by now, that this kind of petty taunts don't really have much of an effect...

Considering I was just giving you some turnabout of your own style, it's kind of ironic you would say someone with a brain would see it doesn't work... considering you have no problem being insulting with your demands on how others see and do things

Personally, after reading everyones comments in this thread, I feel the following would be a good compromise/ solution.

The first week or so that the events come out, keep them restricted to only changing the set-up just as the first two batches of events initially were.

This will give everyone time to try and beat the challenges without being able to simply 'out horsepower' the AI.

Then, when the next batch of seasonal events come out a couple of weeks later, remove the restrictions on the previous events and possibly drop the prize money/ XP slightly.

This will give people the chance to mop up the gold trophies they missed out on, whilst still giving those that could win them initially a sense of achievement and better prizes for doing so.

Any thoughts?

This is kind of how I was thinking they would do it and it makes the most sense.

I would have liked somehow to keep the original restrictions listed somewher etoo for future reference and replay.

 

[Abriael]

"You think seasonal events are ruined because they are fundamentally changed? You are wrong? You know why? I say so!"

Weird how that only works in one direction then huh?

They are fundamentally changed how? You can still restrict your car. If you can be bothered to pull your head out of the sand and notice that, of course.
They have been made more appealing to a wider audience, but the restricted circle of the wannabe hardcore can still race with stock or semi-stock cars as much as they like.

It's fact, and I'm sorry if it bursts your whiny bubble.

Oh wait, I'm not really that sorry.

Oh, oh, oh, let's keep shifting the target slightly as I keep being wrong again So now it's not knowing what you can achieve within 2 tries for sure, it's guaging if you can do it in a reasonable amount of time? Well what about those of us who don't mind sinking in hours as long as we know it's attainable?

So you don't mind sinking in hours in trying over and over, but you have problems retrying to gauge if it's possible?

Mind you, not that people knew the previous races were possible to begin with, given how many people cried that they weren't, and discovered that they were only when people on this forum went on for hours telling them that they were doable.

How come you can't do the same now? Too difficult to get on the forums and ask?

Oh, and the target shifting is only in your mind.

You keep ignoring the legitimate difference between "very challenging" and "impossible".

Considering how many people I read on this very forum and in many other places whining that the previous races were "impossible" that difference is very subjective and much more subtle than you would think.

I can? So where is this feature?

Restrict yourself to a tuning limit, and work on it. Exactly the same mechanic as before. If you can't learn some self-restraint, then the problem is in you. Not in the game.

And nice try but you got the analogy all wrong... PD removing restricitons is nothing like being gifted car with a paint color you don't like

It's exactly like that. They're giving you something for free with a detail you don't like.
If you can adapt, great, take it. If you can't, don't take it. Either way you lose nothing, since you're entitled to nothing.

Considering I was just giving you some turnabout of your own style, it's kind of ironic you would say someone with a brain would see it doesn't work... considering you have no problem being insulting with your demands on how others see and do things

You're very easily insulted. You're whining, and I'm calling you a whiner. Saying that red is red isn't necessarily insulting.

 

[shepzki]

I do love the 'eliteism' that prevails on this board, the belief that every challenge has to be uber difficult and only winnable by those with 'l33t' skills. It's a game, it has to be easy now & then and the thing is you who are complaining they took the restrictions off, nobody is forcing you to full upgrade your cars to do the races are they? Just take out stock cars and only add something if you need to, that way you can preserve your halo's and have the moral high ground over everybody else.

 

[iinsom00]

 

[Abriael]

I do love the 'eliteism' that prevails on this board, the belief that every challenge has to be uber difficult and only winnable by those with 'l33t' skills. It's a game, it has to be easy now & then and the thing is you who are complaining they took the restrictions off, nobody is forcing you to full upgrade your cars to do the races are they? Just take out stock cars and only add something if you need to, that way you can preserve your halo's and have the moral high ground over everybody else.

Nah, 'cause, you know, if other people with less *mad l33t skillz* than them are actually allowed to get some credits/experience, it's a direct and personal slight to their ability as uber virtual drivers with co*ones as big as a bull's.

Which is funny, since the results of the seasonal races don't even go on your online profile. It's a 100% single player part of the game that doesn't even involve the slightest public trophy or bragging right.

 

[JJ72]

If you are that confident, I would be interested in arranging a wager - we each put up $250 USD in an account with an escrow.

I setup 5 races with specific limitations. You have 2 tries each and tell me whether they are possible or impossible.

If you correctly identify all the impossible/possible ones, you win the pot. If you get even one wrong after 2 tries, you loose the pot.

Put your money where your mouth is?

That's actually pretty interesting.

But how do you decide whether it is possible/impossible?

what if somebody did what you declare impossible? you pay double??

Then I'm in haha.