Should the option to gift cars be removed? Figures from MyGranTurismo.net

[daperr]

hello
how do you switch tires after purchasing a lower grade. I bought sports hard for a peticular event now I cant figure out how to go back to racing soft ...help please!!

 

[Hig-GT]

Ok change the topic of conversation slightly ... If gifting shouldn't be removed then should the gifting system be tightly limited? No X1's or 20million Cr. cars can be traded?

 

[911_RS]

Not every game cycles the exact same cars at the exact time period ... It is random, so just because a couple of people haven't seen it in one thread doesn't mean that another person can't see it more than twice! Don't be so closed minded!

However, you are going off topic so please make your forthcoming topics more relevant or please refrain from posting further!

I merely challenge your premise for 'rarity', made my point, and now I'm done...

 

[911_RS]

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[nyyellowtaxi]

Not every game cycles the exact same cars at the exact time period ... It is random, so just because a couple of people haven't seen it in one thread doesn't mean that another person can't see it more than twice! Don't be so closed minded!

However, you are going off topic so please make your forthcoming topics more relevant or please refrain from posting further!

Don't be so closed minded. The list is fixed. It's not random, it's just everyone starts at a different point on the list. It's been verified over and over again by many people in about 40 pages of discussion.

 

[JeffKill]

Question to the OP. Do you think the option to gift cars should be removed? And if so, why? Just curious, as I don't want to assume anything.

 

[Hig-GT]

I merely challenge your premise for 'rarity', made my point, and now I'm done...

Like I said! I appreciate they aren't the most accurate of figures, but an interesting theory all the same as only the more serious players bother to fill out a mygrantuismo garage ... Plus if it is 5000 people say, it gives a decent cross section of the gran turismo society.

I'm sure PD intended the 20,000,000 Cr. cars to be less common than they appear.

 

[ZR1fan]

the damage is done the cars are out there... taking the ability to trade the legacy cars and the X1s away is just going to piss people off... i myself accidentally ended up stuck with 4 X1s and a GT-R LM race car that i need to dump

 

[nyyellowtaxi]

Yeh but if people choose to do that then what can you do? People can do that with GT5 right now aswell!

Nothing. I don't care and I wasn't the one complaining.

 

[Kamdoon]

My humble attempt at a solution -- why not just have VIN's (Vehicle Identification Numbers). If a person tries to "gift" an X2010 and the VIN is already in use, the game would not permit the trade. I don't know how/ where the info would be stored, but given the complexity of the game so far it doesn't seem like it would be too hard. Just an idea.

Personally, I have never duped a car, though I did give my cousin a Peugeot race car which I had won (I already had bought one). I like the idea of trading/gifting, but I am not a fan of duping. As we learned as kids "cheaters never prosper", and I think if you are a duping fanatic you are only cheating yourself out of the fun of the game, become bored quicker, and hence not get the full value of the game (in my opinion, of course). But it's a free country.

 

[Hig-GT]

Question to the OP. Do you think the option to gift cars should be removed? And if so, why? Just curious, as I don't want to assume anything.

I thought the UCD was random ... So if it is fixed then I'll admit I'm wrong but I would like some proof before I do. However, the point still stands that maybe person A starts after the C5R would have appeared twice where-as person B starts before the C5R would appear twice. Therefore B see's the C5R twice where-as A doesn't see it. Makes sense.

I personally think it should be removed ... I do use the function because I may aswell, but I think everyone should complete their own game and achieve their own cars by achievements in their own game, not others.

Can I state again I only wanted a discussion. I don't want people taking this thread over serious and going OTT with it as some have above. Light hearted friendly discussion is all that is on the menu

I love the VIN idea but that would mean having a ridiculously vast database which would cost too much for a game. It would be easier if your profile made a note of the cars you traded online, so if you re-load your back up (to dupe) your online profile will say that you have sent that car and will remove it from your garage

 

[ZR1fan]

My humble attempt at a solution -- why not just have VIN's (Vehicle Identification Numbers). If a person tries to "gift" an X2010 and the VIN is already in use, the game would not permit the trade. I don't know how/ where the info would be stored, but given the complexity of the game so far it doesn't seem like it would be too hard. Just an idea.

Personally, I have never duped a car, though I did give my cousin a Peugeot race car which I had won (I already had bought one). I like the idea of trading/gifting, but I am not a fan of duping. As we learned as kids "cheaters never prosper", and I think if you are a duping fanatic you are only cheating yourself out of the fun of the game, become bored quicker, and hence not get the full value of the game (in my opinion, of course). But it's a free country.

very well said... i dont dupe either.. i dont like the aspect of it... to me its just pick what stays and what goes... keep what you need ditch what you dont

 

[White & Nerdy]

I would say, gifting is fine the way it is. The only thing I would change is the caps, so two or three cars could be gifted in one day instead of just one. Have you seen the people with large trade threads? Scheduling those is a pain from what I've seen. Changing or removing the caps would make it a lot easier.

And before someone tells me removing the caps would ruin everything, nothing is ruined unless you care how other people play the game. I don't. Let them trade for their X2010s. Personally, I won't be trading for them until I've bought at least one myself, but to each his own. It doesn't bother me.

Also, the VIN idea is... hmmm... how shall I say this... not very good? Everything I said above applies to this as well - don't let dupers bother you. Personally, I'm too lazy to do it until level 40 or at least the high 30s, when I may start duping and set up a trade thread for lack of much else to do.

 

[ZR1fan]

I would say, gifting is fine the way it is. The only thing I would change is the caps, so two or three cars could be gifted in one day instead of just one. Have you seen the people with large trade threads? Scheduling those is a pain from what I've seen. Changing or removing the caps would make it a lot easier.

And before someone tells me removing the caps would ruin everything, nothing is ruined unless you care how other people play the game. I don't. Let them trade for their X2010s. Personally, I won't be trading for them until I've bought at least one myself, but to each his own. It doesn't bother me.

theres always the penchant for a mistake with those too... i accidentally had a GT-R LM race car popped my way instead of the R8 i was supposed to recieve yesterday.. the correct car is coming today.. but it still happens

 

[ElSecundo]

I don't dupe, but I think gifting is fine for the community aspect of it. It gets people together to talk about the game and share stuff.

It finally occurred to me that if it weren't for GTPlanet, nobody would even care that somebody copied a car and traded it to somebody else via gifting.

It's not a big deal because of how GT5 is set up. Forza-style auctions, though, would make gifting a real problem. Then it would affect the whole economy, which GT5 really doesn't have in the same sense. Yes, it technically affects the value of a hard-earned car on the open market. But the hard-earned car is just a bargaining chip, and if it doesn't require much of a bargaining chip to get the best cars in the game, the dupe/gift process doesn't hurt the guys with hard-earned cars. The best cars can be had without giving away the farm.

Overall, the benefits seem to outweigh the costs, so I say keep it. Wouldn't hurt me one way or the other, though.

 

[nyyellowtaxi]

As we learned as kids "cheaters never prosper", and I think if you are a duping fanatic you are only cheating yourself out of the fun of the game, become bored quicker, and hence not get the full value of the game (in my opinion, of course). But it's a free country.

People are going to take advantage of the system no matter what that system is. If you grind Like the Wind or Endurance, then you are taking advantage of the pay out. Maybe you should replay A-Spec with other cars like the game is originally designed. Some people are bored to death grinding Like the Wind and Endurance. At the mean time, there are people loving this adult equivalent of Pokemon.

Back then people birthday glitch. PD unlocked game save and people starts to dupe. If PD remove gifting, more people will rubber band. The bottom line is, so what?

You do what pleases you. If people like collecting cars, let them collect cars. If people like to grind, let them grind. If you like to race, race. If you don't, then don't. Just like some people don’t like playing B-Spec. Does someone not playing B-Spec bother you? The game definitely intended for you to finish B-Spec till level 40.

I thought the UCD was random ... So if it is fixed then I'll admit I'm wrong but I would like some proof before I do.

Not trying to prove you wrong but trying to be constructive. The hard way is to read the UCD database thread. The easy way is to read the complied list on 911_RS's signature. Search for a specific car and match the 6 cars pattern in your UCD. It's only from Day 1 to ~1700. So if your cycle started after this list then it won't apply to you. But this list seriously helped hundreds of people.

 

[snypa]

Hello Hig-GT, I would like to answer some of your remarks :

I thought the UCD was random ... So if it is fixed then I'll admit I'm wrong but I would like some proof before I do. However, the point still stands that maybe person A starts after the C5R would have appeared twice where-as person B starts before the C5R would appear twice. Therefore B see's the C5R twice where-as A doesn't see it. Makes sense.

I think it's fixed as I noticed the following : play the game, save it at one time and back up. Then play a bit in order to refresh the ucd. Then charge the previous saved datas, play again, and the same cars will appear.

I personally think it should be removed ... I do use the function because I may aswell, but I think everyone should complete their own game and achieve their own cars by achievements in their own game, not others.

This is the way you see the game. I see it from another perspective (well, obviously from my side ). From the time I was a kid, I grew with the passion of motorpsorts, especially theses old Times of racing legends, like the 1967 edition of Le Mans.
When I played GT4, the best time I had was when I played some local sessions with my dad (2 Ps2, 2 tv's, 2 wheels, one ethernet cable).
So when gt5 was announced, with its online features and the famous 1967 race cars, I set my goal : create a 3 players lounge with my dad, my Bro, and me, driving the P4 against the Mark IV in Le Mans.

The problem is, with the way the credits system is implemented, theses cars are just untouchable for a casual player with a (very) limited time.
My dad won't take that time. My bro won't be able to, being busy with his young baby (my kids are a bit older now).

So basically, using the gift system (I worked my way through A-spec 32 and B spec 31 as I speak) is the only way for me to attain the goal I set.....which by definition is simply to have fun with people that count for me, and that I can't see as often as I would like, due to the distance.
My purpose is not to say you're wrong and I'm right. It's just to show you that every potential player has it's own goals and ways to play the game. So the more freedom you have, the best it is. It's useless to complain about this or that, it's just better to adapt and play with what PD gives us (obviously this is not intended to you).

If you care to see the bigger picture, you'll admit that, as big and great GTPlanet is, it's only a small fraction of the amount of players around the world. I guess GT5 has been released to satisfy a great variety of players, not only a fraction of hardcore gamers who have the luxury (or sadness, but this is another story) to play 6h per day and still find 2h to discuss every possible problem or bug on the net, or complaining about people playing in a different way.
That is why PD implemented those seasonal events : to allow the casual player to access a significant part of the garage.

Because, as challenging and dense the game has to be, it's still supposed to provide some fun in the first place.

Can I state again I only wanted a discussion. I don't want people taking this thread over serious and going OTT with it as some have above. Light hearted friendly discussion is all that is on the menu

I agree with you on that. It's possible to debate without beeing aggressive. Well I tried to

Best regards,

Snypa

 

[DA__dogg]

I think if the ability to gift cars was removed then this game would be dead not too long after. Could you gift cars in earlier GT games?

 

[Hig-GT]

snypa you make several good points. I do understand that people see the game from your point of view & I can appreciate how others play the game, beleive me I don't want to sound as though I am complaining or preaching or anything like that because that is definately not how I want to sound ... But then again, who bought GT5 because they knew there would be a gift system?

All I wanted to discuss was how the rare cars (that where rare in PD's minds) are no-where near as rare as they where at first. But I see we diversified the conversation well lol!

 

[chances14]

I think it's fixed as I noticed the following : play the game, save it at one time and back up. Then play a bit in order to refresh the ucd. Then charge the previous saved datas, play again, and the same cars will appear.

yes it is fixed. this has been proved countless times already. where you start in the fixed list is random, but where you start in the list seems to be unique to each ps3

 

[neost1g]

So what, because many other people have the X1, you don't enjoy the game as much?

Maybe don't make a garage or look at the statistics if you really want to feel cooler with your car.

Duping cars is awesome, makes it possible to actually collect all the cars you want without giving anything up or wasting money that took you hours to grind. Video games are entertainment, not work.

 

[boredgunner]

You should be able to gift as many cars as you'd like, as long as they go to separate accounts. Imagine the trades we'd get done...

 

[GT_Fanatic69]

Anyone else think that the ability to gift cars should be removed?

Not to sound like all the other haters and whiners that want to dump on this game (but still play it round the clock), but the game is flawed and trading/gifting what PD “believed” were going to be rare cars, in some respects makes up for some of the downfalls of this “perfect” race-sim.
Gifting cars should be increased to 10 a day.

 

[snypa]

beleive me I don't want to sound as though I am complaining or preaching or anything like that because that is definately not how I want to sound ...

Yes i'm sure, that's why I pointed out that my assertion was not specifically aimed at you

then again, who bought GT5 because they knew there would be a gift system?

Well nobody....people are just using the tools provided in order to attain what they aim, that's all. This is what I called "adaptation" in my first post.

All I wanted to discuss was how the rare cars (that where rare in PD's minds) are no-where near as rare as they where at first.

Well, you think that way because you tend te relate rarity and expensiveness, which are 2 different things and not automatically related. An old 2Cv citroen can be very rare, that won't make it more expensive than a "common" Ferrari F430.
Someone also pointed out in this thread that people tend to buy powerful, nice looking cars, not specifically rare cars. Thus, the "rare" cars by your definition tend to be common.
I'm not sure PD wanted to make the P4 or Mark IV rare, just hard (too hard in my "casual gamer conception") to obtain.

But I see we diversified the conversation well lol!

Yes, probably. But technically I answered some of your remarks, and you did so with mines, which is the definition of a conversation....

Best regards,

Snypa

 

[kuyaglen]

So I was inputting a couple of cars into the online garage as I was curious as to what cars where considered rare / common ... referring to such cars as the 20,000,000 Cr. cars and the X1 etc

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So you see, cars that cost 13million+ are more common than cars that cost less than 30,000!

Anyone else think that the ability to gift cars should be removed?

You seem to be equating rarity with demand. Which although goes along with your figures, you dont have a figure for people that dont have these "rare" but want them. I think you numbers lack the substance to hold up your point.

 

[StevenDunn99]

Anyone else think that the ability to gift cars should be removed?

No, and it is too late anyways.

The idea was good but not thought through. All PD really needed to have done was to make certain cars ungiftable (eg cars awarded via birthdays or prizes and maybe any car above a certain value) then most of the problem goes away.

 

[White & Nerdy]

There's a problem here?

I was unaware.

 

[Ecchi-BANZAII!!]

Some would wonder why you'd buy the game, if you only had the effort to buy one car?

I don't trade with others and I have 738 cars so far.
I hate that I can't complete the list due to the Stealth cars being IMPOSSIBLE to get IN the game.

 

[alx-ndr]

I think you shouldn't be able to gift to other accounts on your playstation... simple, I'm sure they can fix that!!

The trading system with gifting is fine, even if you get your car back... I like that, it's like helping people complete their collection rather than trading.

 

[White & Nerdy]

Really. Gifiting is fine the way it is. The only thing I'd like is less restriction, if not none at all.

Unchecked duping & trading wouldn't hurt anything. If you don't like duping, trading, etc. then don't do it. Play the game your way and let the dupers dupe.