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- pfei
Don't worry, only three people have times so far. This will definitely be extended.
SLRE Honor System League
- Thread starter Pfei
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Don't worry, only three people have times so far. This will definitely be extended.
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Don't know why that would discourage you. Although I just tried RBR with a couple of the original cars and it's awful. The NGP ones are so much better, especially if you like to slide about as the grip is much lower than Dirt games. I can easily swap between RBR and SLRE but DR and D4 take some learning.
I think if you prefer SLRE to DR you'll probably like RBR with NGP physics.
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- pfei
@LaPremier now I remember you! Something about the way you wrote was reminding me of someone but I couldn't put my finger on it until you mentioned the "railway arcade" physics of DiRT Rally in the V-Rally 4 thread 
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Man, you sure did give a lot of people some laughs (and ire) in the Codemasters forums. You're a legend there, and apparently banned multiple times. I remember all your railway talk back when DiRT 4 turned out to be nothing like they promised.
I am a big critic of Codemasters' physics and general game design even though I like DiRT Rally and played it like crazy while it lasted.
I'm waiting for a 50% sale to pick up V-Rally 4. The stage generator looks excellent.
.Man, you sure did give a lot of people some laughs (and ire) in the Codemasters forums. You're a legend there, and apparently banned multiple times. I remember all your railway talk back when DiRT 4 turned out to be nothing like they promised
.I am a big critic of Codemasters' physics and general game design even though I like DiRT Rally and played it like crazy while it lasted.
I'm waiting for a 50% sale to pick up V-Rally 4. The stage generator looks excellent.
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I dismissed V-Rally 4 as all the chat was about it being so arcadey but you guys are making me think about buying it. I don't mind arcadey gameplay if the physics is half decent, like Gravel or Wreckfest, which are both great fun
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- Russian Federation
As I said,in Dirt 4 codemasters tried to do just all that what I mention as the necessary overpatching. They banned me, for really bitter for them truth, but they recognized that I was right. Because they read my article and consulted with specialists. They tried to do right, bad they made it bad, vague and cowardly. As result, nobody will satisfied with it.@LaPremier now I remember you! Something about the way you wrote was reminding me of someone but I couldn't put my finger on it until you mentioned the "railway arcade" physics of DiRT Rally in the V-Rally 4 thread
Man, you sure did give a lot of people some laughs (and ire) in the Codemasters forums. You're a legend there, and apparently banned multiple times. I remember all your railway talk back when DiRT 4 turned out to be nothing like they promised
I am a big critic of Codemasters' physics and general game design even though I like DiRT Rally and played it like crazy while it lasted.
I'm waiting for a 50% sale to pick up V-Rally 4. The stage generator looks excellent.
Now they, with playing up to crowd, returned to that what they already know is false. They produce wittingly fake thing - its true shame and disgrace.
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You know, its so ridiculous to read about "arcade" V-Rally 4. First of all, this game has the same basic physical model as SLRE - best rally simulator.
But second.... we are still live, those, who played in early 2000-s first Colin's rally games, RBR, Rallisport challenge, console WRC projects. They all has the same TRUE rally physics! And classic RBR was avowed standard. Codemasters started to spoil in Colin 2005 game, but it was still eatable. But when first Dirt was released, we discussed it in topic "Worst Rally game Ever" at old codemasters' forum. It produced aversion of whole rally community, and only casual players supported it.
So, what we see now? People name the game "arcade" just for it's realistic physics, but all that, what was initially disregarded as squalid pop-art production became the standard of "simulator". Its really too much. The only ground for it we can find in comparison with somewhat f1 game. There, yes, furious grip, producing furious drivealbility at crazy speed with wild acceleration - its somewhat natural, but its absolutly dont touch heavy rally car at offroad surface. Its so heavy, that it will slide even at tarmac and, so, if for f1 toy car you must try to avoid sliding, here you must USE it for fast cornering via powerslide.
So, brief, OR SLRE and V-Rally4 and (true) RBR are rally games, OR Dirt Rally, but NOT both. And we know, what is true.
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- Drex125
- ScoobyMcPancake
Wasn't Gravel the one that supposedly used the physics from SLRE? V-Rally was developed by Kyloton and runs on the KT Engine. Milestone would have had no reason to release their code to a competitor, especially after Kyloton took over the WRC license from them.
If only we could voltron all the current games together, then by their powers combined it might satisfy like 30% of rally enthusiasts
If only we could voltron all the current games together, then by their powers combined it might satisfy like 30% of rally enthusiasts
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Wasn't Gravel the one that supposedly used the physics from SLRE? V-Rally was developed by Kyloton and runs on the KT Engine. Milestone would have had no reason to release their code to a competitor, especially after Kyloton took over the WRC license from them.
If only we could voltron all the current games together, then by their powers combined it might satisfy like 30% of rally enthusiasts
Yes. That was my point. Milestone marketed it as an arcade game and the gameplay is certainly that but you can feel that it's based on a proper sim engine, albeit with a few assists. The snow stages feel very much like SLRE.
V-Rally 4 interested me because I enjoyed WRC7 and it was such a huge improvement over their previous efforts I was keen to see if they continued the trend. It's now on my Steam wishlist
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- United Kingdom
@LaPremier I think we agree. My virtual racing career spanned the early 80's to late '90s, when work and family commitments left little time so I missed the early 2000s and by late 2000s I couldn't see a single game worth buying hardware for! Only got back into it 4 years ago.
I only have one day's real world experience in a MKII Escort on gravel so like most I can only guess what say, a Delta S4 drives like. I'd say the 131 in SLRE or Datsun Violet (with NGP v5.x physics) in RBR are the closest to my very limited experience. Dirt Rally misses the point of managing the weight, which is a huge part of driving a rally car.
I think though, that if when I watch a replay it looks real that's a good sign. SLRE and RBR look real. The dirt games only look real when paused!
For now we'll have to split hairs on which physics version is best in RBR though. I've only given the original 20 minutes and didn't like it (although I did set a new PB with all that grip!) and you've never tried NGP.
Now, If Milestone would release SLRE2.0 with the mod support for community created stages and online event system of RBRTM it'd be the only rally game worth owning.
BTW hope this talk about other games in this thread isn't too annoying? At least it fills the gap between posting times.
I only have one day's real world experience in a MKII Escort on gravel so like most I can only guess what say, a Delta S4 drives like. I'd say the 131 in SLRE or Datsun Violet (with NGP v5.x physics) in RBR are the closest to my very limited experience. Dirt Rally misses the point of managing the weight, which is a huge part of driving a rally car.
I think though, that if when I watch a replay it looks real that's a good sign. SLRE and RBR look real. The dirt games only look real when paused!
For now we'll have to split hairs on which physics version is best in RBR though. I've only given the original 20 minutes and didn't like it (although I did set a new PB with all that grip!) and you've never tried NGP.
Now, If Milestone would release SLRE2.0 with the mod support for community created stages and online event system of RBRTM it'd be the only rally game worth owning.
BTW hope this talk about other games in this thread isn't too annoying? At least it fills the gap between posting times.
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- Russian Federation
Yes, I hope, that generally we are really agree. And, on the other hand, I also afraid a bit, that this conversation about games can be annoying. So, we can make intermedial finish at this point and wait for Rally SanRemo results for continue our talk!
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- Georgeagea
S1: 7:15.871
S2: 3:34.667
S3: 7:34.716
S4: 3:25.558
S5: 8:05.565
S6: 3:43.457
S7: 7:54.745
S8: 3:23.864
Total: 44:58.443
My worst rally so far. I drove s5 and s6 on nearly totalled car. It was undriveable. Very tough one. A single accident can ruin your whole rally just like real life!
S2: 3:34.667
S3: 7:34.716
S4: 3:25.558
S5: 8:05.565
S6: 3:43.457
S7: 7:54.745
S8: 3:23.864
Total: 44:58.443
My worst rally so far. I drove s5 and s6 on nearly totalled car. It was undriveable. Very tough one. A single accident can ruin your whole rally just like real life!
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So, guys, what is it? What a hell circus? How can we prolonger initially announced competition time WITHOUT ANY REASON? So, deadline is nothing? In this case, may be, you will offer me to make Monaco and Sweden runs - will it be more absurdic? If we play without trainig and restarts - what can prevent those, who really want to compete, find ONE HOUR in a week for passing rally? As for me, now my condition affected by autumn atmospheric processes and my self-feeling is not really good, but I founded a window at 11.11 and made my run. I can understand that those, who play only for fun and dont pretend for upper position can simply forget or somewhat similar. But I simply cannot invent any other reason for Lucas' deadline missing instead of he worked hard at each stage for overcome my, previously announced, result for 4 seconds each stage. Of course, everybody knows, that he is 100% honest guy, but explain me, what did he wait for, if not my result appearing here?..
So, no matter, were these results obtained in honest way or not, in case of such tardiness they can not be considered as legal and being counted as equal with true, in-time made results. Yes, time can be extended, BUT those, who became late for announced deadline, much recieve 5 minutes penalty and compete between themselves, not with those, who fulfilled legal conditions. Its the only solution compatible with sports spirit and simply common sense. Otherwise the league has to be renamed to Rubber League or somewhat similar, and continue these kindergarten games, but I cannot participate with it. I officially demand to annul Lucas' result and or disqualify him from Sanremo rally, or punish with penalty as it described above. I'm here for win fighting, initially being in non-equal condition, and in case such tricks will be produced, no sense for me to participate. And, I think, no sense for any serious sportsman. If rules were announced, all of them must be keeped-in, its absolutly clear.
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- Mexico
- SonOfTheBlues
Dude, chill the hell down. If you didn't read the rules at the beginning of the Championship, it clearly states the deadlines can be extended in case it needs to be done.
Pfei organized this league so we could have fun and compete in a friendly way. I believe none of us here takes this league an professional e-sports championship, we are here to have fun and enjoy ourselves.
You complain about people being late, but you practice several times the stages with different cars and nobody has said anything about it.
Some of us really don't have 1 hour during the week.
For example me, I leave my house at 6 am to work and don't come back until 9 or sometimes 10 and still have to make my food for the next day. I can play until the weekend and some weekends I have things to do. I apologize for not having the free time that you have -_-
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First of all, interesting about I tried cars at different stages. Where from is it? I wrote here I tried once Subaru and then Mitsu at Apricale incide rules, also I tried cars in Monaco and Mexico after events there were finished. So, its strange that you reproach me with it.
I've already mention, that I understand most people participate here simply for fun, without care about results. thats OK, although for such things multiplayer lobby works well. Two hours before I played in V-Rally 4 multiplayer with one guy, which said he drunk a little, but he even beated me once. So, you can play for fun, and no pretensions to you.
But if we anyway have competition, and some players also fights for win, some hard rules must work. If event's time can be exetended, somewhat procedure has to take placel those, who cannot make run in time, must appeal to organizer and explain the reasons.... in your case, for example, no problem can take place, everybody will agree... although, I think, your shedule is somewhat a bit extreme, most people dont work so hard, - and if decided to participate, they can an hour in a week, really.
But Lucas' case is somewhat definitely other. It produce suspictions. If you'll check our recordings, you will find, that all Mexico stages we made practically the same with him as well as another guy, who occupied second position: only in Las Minas Lucas, looks like, made somewhat serious mistake and lost of order of 10 seconds. Now I've also made good pace without brute mistakes above one flashback. Of course, thats all can be easy improved, and just this day I can repeat his 32 secs better result, but it really demand some work.... and knowing of rival's result.
Its possible, that Lucas was disappointed with his Mexico result and, may be, he thought I used his replay for checking and working. And he decided to teach me a bit with the same way. But you can easy prove yourself, that I didnt do it! For example, at first stage I lost him 6 seconds... this stage with preliminary work allowed. So, in case I made restarts for improve his times here I could reach the same 6.12.... which I made at backward special, when I've already warmed up, accustomed the car and made better, as well as at second half generally. I'm here not simply for fun, but for winning struggle, and any competition has at least to permit such type of playing. Lucas has 60 points gap with his winnings previous rallies, I must to regain it... and I need to be sure I'll make it in honest struggle! So, I really need some explanation about this issue. And if some player, competing with me, really need more time, I think, he has to ask other players BEFORE deadline time reached. In this case rivals also can hide their results for honest struggle. But if it was not done - some punishment has to take place.
So, guys, if you not agree with my argues - no problem, its your competition, of course, you can continue in the way you like. But I think, some reasons are really valid, and you can take them into account. Sorry if I've offend somebody.
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There's nothing fishy going on with Lucas or anyone else. The flexible dates are important (and stated in the rules) because we all have jobs, families, university, illnesses, vacations, Red Dead Redemption II, etc... In my case I have very limited playtime and 95% of it goes to the GTS FIA Championships. So when I have a heavy workload, or sick kids, or a surprise trip it's hard to find time for SLRE. Some people were already late on earlier rallies and sticking to the target dates was basically giving them only three or four days to run the rallies. Which is why of course they are constantly late at each rally. So by extending San Remo I am "resetting" the target dates so everyone can get back on schedule.
Call it Rubber Band League or whatever you want, we're just here for fun and no-one takes the results too seriously. The goal of this league is some fun, friendly, laid-back competition. More than anything it's putting to good use a game not many people have played a whole lot. The vast majority of us have not played enough to memorize any of the stages beyond the most dangerous places caused by bad pace notes.
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- SonOfTheBlues
You say Lucas's run is suspicious. I've raced with this guys for 2 years and there is nothing fishy with his pace, the guy is an animal. With two or three runs of the shakedown he can be very close to his ultimate limit.
This is a league for fun, like pfei said. It's the second championship we've done in this game and nobody has ever complained about anything serious until you got here. Nobody has spoken ill of anybody and never suspected of anybody. You come here and start suspecting almost immediately of the guy that beat you.
If you don't like to be beaten or are always going to be suspicious of the other players, tough **** for you
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Hmmm, you know, first of all, I'm an animal, too 
. At least in this game. Then, I participated , in particular, one ESL championship. So, such things happened there... for example, they transferred play-off round from Sunday to (previous!) Friday, and started event without answer from participants, which were selected in qualify or previous rounds. After such occasions you will consider any shedule metamorphosis with suspiction. . And every participants there were very, very respectable. So, after such experience you really have another look. And if Lucas is such "animal", he knows, what all these things can mean. He is also always aimed with serious struggle. And if you played with him for two years - did you beated him at least once? May be, here is the reason of your placidity?..
Didnt understood well your last sentence... I can only repeat: anyway competition without definite rules - its nonsense. For the one hand, strange, if Lucas compete with himself, while others play in sand-box like babies. But if rivalry take place, all competitors must have some rights, and organizers have to keep it.
. At least in this game. Then, I participated , in particular, one ESL championship. So, such things happened there... for example, they transferred play-off round from Sunday to (previous!) Friday, and started event without answer from participants, which were selected in qualify or previous rounds. After such occasions you will consider any shedule metamorphosis with suspiction. . And every participants there were very, very respectable. So, after such experience you really have another look. And if Lucas is such "animal", he knows, what all these things can mean. He is also always aimed with serious struggle. And if you played with him for two years - did you beated him at least once? May be, here is the reason of your placidity?..Didnt understood well your last sentence... I can only repeat: anyway competition without definite rules - its nonsense. For the one hand, strange, if Lucas compete with himself, while others play in sand-box like babies. But if rivalry take place, all competitors must have some rights, and organizers have to keep it.
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Hmmm, you know, first of all, I'm an animal, too
Didnt understood well your last sentence... I can only repeat: anyway competition without definite rules - its nonsense. For the one hand, strange, if Lucas compete with himself, while others play in sand-box like babies. But if rivalry take place, all competitors must have some rights, and organizers have to keep it.
The rules clearly state that dates are flexible. In fact, there are no dates posted at all.
I will not tolerate any more claims of cheating. Believe me, Lucas and just about everyone competing here is making a huge sacrifice just to spend these two hours a month with SLRE. And yes, I have beaten him. When he joined our Railway Arcade league I beat him to the championship. Then he just got better and better. But I was also able to beat him in a rear wheel drive car by one-tenth of a second in Railway Arcade Monte Carlo. He also had a tough season in our DiRT 4 league. And in our first SLRE season he crashed in Monte and then had an intense fight with Drex for the championship.
Anyone who takes this league so seriously that they are worried about people cheating is missing the point of this whole endeavour. We're just a bunch of dudes enjoying a diamond-in-the-rough called Sébastien Loeb Rally EVO. Nothing more, nothing less.
The rules are very clear. If you do not agree with how we run things you can create your own championship. I would love to do online live championships but it's impossible to get everyone together at a set time.
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Mmm... i can do it EASY. After 2 hours playing V-Rally 4, without special warm-up. The matter is in Lancer. I felt, that I do quit good, not so easy to do better. But now I see, that its really easy...
So, guys, thanks for playing, It was really great, especially in Mexico! Thanks for conversation also. Excuse me for some, may be, unpleasant moments. Good luck in further races!
So, guys, thanks for playing, It was really great, especially in Mexico! Thanks for conversation also. Excuse me for some, may be, unpleasant moments. Good luck in further races!
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Hmmm, you know, first of all, I'm an animal, too
Didnt understood well your last sentence... I can only repeat: anyway competition without definite rules - its nonsense. For the one hand, strange, if Lucas compete with himself, while others play in sand-box like babies. But if rivalry take place, all competitors must have some rights, and organizers have to keep it.
Sorry mate, but until I see you do what I've seen Lucas and Nacho do with a rally car in a sim, I can't consider you an animal. I can't deny you're fast, but clearly you know every inch of this game. I've seen the other guys do times very close to their fastest when they played the game for the first time.
This attitude has all the indications of a person who just doesn't like to be beaten fair and square. If you say you're so fast, why weren't you close to the top players in WRC 7 in the e-sports, for example?
If you think you're the next Jon Armstrong, you're in the wrong league. This is for having fun and enjoying playing with people from other parts of the world. If you don't like it, then the door is wide enough for you and your ego
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Hola a todos. Después de pasar por San Remo este verano, reconociendo el terreno ... los paisajes ... las pizzas ... descubriendo la maravillosa cerveza Moretti ...
I left the van at home and returned with the Ford. Much better in the corners. Start of rally very good, but I made the mistake of changing a small adjustment in the distribution of the brakes. The car got worse and I suffered to keep it whole. The night stage was as usual for me, a small disaster. I left a few extra seconds there. Anyway, once again thanks to the organization for giving the opportunity to participate in this great championship with this great game. The owner of the Ford will be happy because I give it back to him whole!
SS1. 6´52¨060
SS2. 3¨27¨511
SS3. 7¨26¨007
SS4. 3¨19¨026
SS5. 7¨06¨607
SS6. 3¨38¨852
SS7. 7¨19¨987
SS8. 3¨17¨513
TT 42´27¨633
I left the van at home and returned with the Ford. Much better in the corners. Start of rally very good, but I made the mistake of changing a small adjustment in the distribution of the brakes. The car got worse and I suffered to keep it whole. The night stage was as usual for me, a small disaster. I left a few extra seconds there. Anyway, once again thanks to the organization for giving the opportunity to participate in this great championship with this great game. The owner of the Ford will be happy because I give it back to him whole!
SS1. 6´52¨060
SS2. 3¨27¨511
SS3. 7¨26¨007
SS4. 3¨19¨026
SS5. 7¨06¨607
SS6. 3¨38¨852
SS7. 7¨19¨987
SS8. 3¨17¨513
TT 42´27¨633
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- Russian Federation
Sorry mate, but until I see you do what I've seen Lucas and Nacho do with a rally car in a sim, I can't consider you an animal. I can't deny you're fast, but clearly you know every inch of this game. I've seen the other guys do times very close to their fastest when they played the game for the first time.
This attitude has all the indications of a person who just doesn't like to be beaten fair and square. If you say you're so fast, why weren't you close to the top players in WRC 7 in the e-sports, for example?
If you think you're the next Jon Armstrong, you're in the wrong league. This is for having fun and enjoying playing with people from other parts of the world. If you don't like it, then the door is wide enough for you and your ego
Hmmm, what means "do with rally car in a sim"? I can agree, that, as I wrote, i'm "animal" at this game. But if for you Dirt Rally is a sim, of course, I'm not "animal": I simply cannot drive there. Really, I'm rather an amateur, but I can do good sometimes. And I'm NOT masturb, which suck each corner: always I drive rather intuitively and with improvisation. By this reason I dont like lap racing and dont play a lot there: really cannot compete with those who can make the same 50 times in a row, with previous endless chew-over.
I dont play WRC 7, because I dont like it: it more similar to DR. Although after release I played and was on top. But I played WRC5, which is more similar to SLRE, and there I was really the king. I didnt participate esport itself, but I won shakedown tournament with all the best participating.... and then, when Raceroom, SimRaceway, Forza masturbs fighted for real car, they were unable to beat my results at decisive stages Also you can watch this - also not bad result (3 place in Grand Challenge with 70000 participants and value prizes):
So, in vain you attacks me: I have no so great pretensions, but I'm also not so bad. And, yes, I've already understood that this league is not for me, and stopped participate.
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OK, thanks for reply.
I hope, you understood, why I've accept that date changing with such perplexity: on the one hand, its very strange for serious competions, but on the other hand I met really wild tricks made by organizers in similar way. I really thought that you, may be, will be agree with me.
I asked about Lucas beating another guy, who started that conversation, but I glad to hear that at least in Railway Arcade league real struugle presents sometimes.
So, I see, that for most participants this championship is somewhat exotic adventure, but really interesting for them games located in other galaxy. So, for me the situation is inverse: its just rather here, in SLRE the only serious project being worth of true struggle with well thought-out rules presents. If its not so for you, I have no interest for contimuing here.
Also I can mention, that if some of you, so busy guys, goes to buy V-Rally 4, you have to take into account, that there in career you will meet championship consisting of 6 races with average length of 6-7 minutes. The half of them you can pass quite easy, but the other half usualy practically impossible-to-win with most cars and demand work with restarts. And if you return to menu, you lose at least current stage points totally, and the tournament also.
So, thanks for hospitality, kindness and forbearance. Good luck!
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- Georgeagea
Well sorry to jump on this discussion but here's how I see it:
1- First this is a game that is nearly dead and that nobody plays. Everyone is obsessed with their codemasters rally games in the rally world...
2- Therefore we (or I) are (or am) very thankful and happy that still few people play it.
3- Since it's nearly dead, and since most if not all, are already occupied by other games (me with AC, PC2, RDR2, BF5 etc...), the championship was agreed upon to be very friendly and honor based.
4- Honor meaning that you vow to do only one shot/try of each rally without any restarts or trickery; just as it would happen in real life. And since the game doesn't have a built-in system that can control that (unlike dirt rally or dirt 4), we had to resort to such honor gentlemen agreement.
5- For all of the above reasons, and since the game doesn't have a built-in system that can control date and duration of the rally (again unlike dirt rally or dirt 4), and since we're here for fun and just cheerful about the fact that few still play it, we can easily wait for each other and agree to extend for whatever amount of time until everyone has done the rally.
It's not eSports here in this thread.
1- First this is a game that is nearly dead and that nobody plays. Everyone is obsessed with their codemasters rally games in the rally world...
2- Therefore we (or I) are (or am) very thankful and happy that still few people play it.
3- Since it's nearly dead, and since most if not all, are already occupied by other games (me with AC, PC2, RDR2, BF5 etc...), the championship was agreed upon to be very friendly and honor based.
4- Honor meaning that you vow to do only one shot/try of each rally without any restarts or trickery; just as it would happen in real life. And since the game doesn't have a built-in system that can control that (unlike dirt rally or dirt 4), we had to resort to such honor gentlemen agreement.
5- For all of the above reasons, and since the game doesn't have a built-in system that can control date and duration of the rally (again unlike dirt rally or dirt 4), and since we're here for fun and just cheerful about the fact that few still play it, we can easily wait for each other and agree to extend for whatever amount of time until everyone has done the rally.
It's not eSports here in this thread.
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- pfei
Hi guys. I'm back here at GTP and was hoping to get involved back in this
Welcome back, Scaff! Just run as a privateer like the other new entrants. Class A8. The rally setup has changed a bit so check out the introductory post: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/slre-honor-system-league.377912/page-5#post-12476540
