SNAIL - Endurance Series (Archive)

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I suspect that the Aliens (aka Snailiens) would prefer to be racing against each other.
If you put Alien #2 in the second room, who does he race against that will prevent him from taking the top step of the Podium each week?
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This is so regardless of whom shows up we have an even split. We could track end results and do points based on time and laps end of the day so just cause someone won the lobby doesnt mean they won the points
 
For example drivers A B C
A and C in a race togther finish 1,2
B in other race.
A driver finishes 33 laps in 1:38.xx
C driver 33 laps 1:42.xx

But in the other race driver B wins and does 33 laps in 1:39.xx he gets 2nd place points and driver C 3rd
 
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For example drivers A B C
A and C in a race togther finish 1,2
B in other race.
A driver finishes 33 laps in 1:38.xx
C driver 33 laps 1:42.xx

But in the other race driver B wins and does 33 laps in 1:39.xx he gets 2nd place points and driver C 3rd
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My question isn't how could you make it work, my question is why would you want to separate fast drivers from other fast drivers?

Ignoring SR Sport mode races separate you based on DR, they don't spread out the talent so each lobby has a handful of fast/medium/slow drivers, they want fast drivers together.

I'm just curious as to why you would actively want to spread out the fast drivers between 2 lobbies?
 
As an aside from the divisional placement debate, I would like everyone's opinion on this idea I had:

I think we should utilize the sign-up process that @Rednose58 used for the SNAIL invitational.

Drivers would "commit" to participating in a given season - meaning they plan to participate in at least 6 of the 8 races (TBD what the "punishment" for breaking a commitment would be...).

Say we have 14 committed drivers at the beginning of the season. That would leave 2 spots for provisional drivers to participate that want to join up mid-season, plus any spots left open by no-shows on race night (ideally they would announce their absence in this thread so that potential provisional drivers would know ahead of time).

Say we have 17 committed drivers at the beginning of the season. That would necessitate 2 divisions (TBD how we split 'em up), with 15 spots for provisional drivers.

This would allow us to have a clear divisional structure at the beginning of each season, and would even give a sense of pride for those drivers that get "promoted" from provisional to the real deal.
 
Im just looking at splitting the rooms up evenly not by drivers. If we dedicate X ppl to Div.A and X ppl Div.B and we have a full lobby but only 5 are B the lobbies will be uneven. @Sean Renon this was just one of the simpler solutions i thought up real quick. Obviously democracy rules lol and i am admittable to any ideas
 
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As an aside from the divisional placement debate, I would like everyone's opinion on this idea I had:

I think we should utilize the sign-up process that @Rednose58 used for the SNAIL invitational.

Drivers would "commit" to participating in a given season - meaning they plan to participate in at least 6 of the 8 races (TBD what the "punishment" for breaking a commitment would be...).

Say we have 14 committed drivers at the beginning of the season. That would leave 2 spots for provisional drivers to participate that want to join up mid-season, plus any spots left open by no-shows on race night (ideally they would announce their absence in this thread so that potential provisional drivers would know ahead of time).

Say we have 17 committed drivers at the beginning of the season. That would necessitate 2 divisions (TBD how we split 'em up), with 15 spots for provisional drivers.

This would allow us to have a clear divisional structure at the beginning of each season, and would even give a sense of pride for those drivers that get "promoted" from provisional to the real deal.
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Committed
 
If you "zipper-split" the field, you are effectively maintaining the same talent spread, but decreasing the talent density not once but twice. Once with half the drivers and second with a larger pace gap between them. Although the concept has good intentions, I do not believe that to be the best route overall to achieve the goal.
 
Oh, I meant to ask...

Did my car look like my connection was stable last night? Everything in my end end looked pretty good. I think I saw MAybe on car lag once or twice but that was it.
 
Lessen
Oh, I meant to ask...

Did my car look like my connection was stable last night? Everything in my end end looked pretty good. I think I saw MAybe on car lag once or twice but that was it.
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From what I saw, no lag issues.
 
Lessen
Oh, I meant to ask...

Did my car look like my connection was stable last night? Everything in my end end looked pretty good. I think I saw MAybe on car lag once or twice but that was it.
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You were fine.

Also I'm in for the season.
 
Lessen
If you "zipper-split" the field, you are effectively maintaining the same talent spread, but decreasing the talent density not once but twice. Once with half the drivers and second with a larger pace gap between them. Although the concept has good intentions, I do not believe that to be
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I understand what you are saying and this is where a preference comes into play. I rather like having a mix group slow and fast the lap traffic was to add another variable to our races. If we sanction drivers to a "fast" and "slow" lobby effectively we are just nullifying that aspect.
 
Here an idea

Say we have 20 drivers. Take the top 10 in points and put them in a room and take the bottom 10 put them in a room. That would keep the competitiveness together. Then when it comes down to points it’s like what was mentioned above.
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For example drivers A B C
A and C in a race togther finish 1,2
B in other race.
A driver finishes 33 laps in 1:38.xx
C driver 33 laps 1:42.xx

But in the other race driver B wins and does 33 laps in 1:39.xx he gets 2nd place points and driver C 3rd
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Then you have an even points system that works. Once the night is ready to begin drivers must be in the room 15 till. No exceptions. If you are not in the room by 7:45 you don’t race! This will allow us to see if we could combine the rooms together to fill the room up. Since we are doing the reverse qualifying format we still set the qualifying order the way it was set before. This will allow 1 division for the time being, and since its endurance its more alone time on the track than racing anyway so the total time we would go by won’t effect us too much.
 
Count me in for the season

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I understand what you are saying and this is where a preference comes into play. I rather like having a mix group slow and fast the lap traffic was to add another variable to our races. If we sanction drivers to a "fast" and "slow" lobby effectively we are just nullifying that aspect.
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But we also make it more competitive for everyone too. It’s a catch 22
 
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Sounds fair enough to me. I am second host so im there regardless how the cards fall anyways lol
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Well... if we do the “committed” drivers idea, and if that leads to us needing a second division, we can just find a willing volunteer from the division that doesn’t include me.
 
Ah, I see what you're saying. Kind of viewing the larger spread as if it's a multi class race.

Last night I only got lapped ontrack once by the leaders. The other lap I was down happend through pit stops. I don't mean to nitpick, but that's hardly adding much of that lap traffic aspect at all. I might say the benefit MAybe does not outweighs the detriment.

Plus, I can nearly guarantee if you lessen the talent density you will severely limit the opportunities for growth. People will be drawn to close racing regardless of the format. If you separate a driver from his two buddies he knows he can legitimately compete with, he's just left circulating. Yes, consistency in a long race is critical, but if the pace is too spread out you may find everybody just circulating with nobody really ever catching anybody. Also, since it's spec nobody ever has advantage/disadvantage versus somebody else. So there's no "well my car is better in the long run" or "I can make up more time in the high speed corners".

I think the idea of spec endurance is cool, but there certainly is a box to be dealt with.
 
BradESPN
Well... if we do the “committed” drivers idea, and if that leads to us needing a second division, we can just find a willing volunteer from the division that doesn’t include me.
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Ok doubt we will have issue getting a volunteer.

Lets get that commit racers!
 
Un classico Italiano

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I've done some testing with tire wear and fuel consumption - my recommendation is to actually bump the tire wear up to x4 for this race. I would also recommend making the fuel x2, but if only one option was to change I would recommend the tire wear more than the fuel change.
 
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Un classico Italiano

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I've done some testing with tire wear and fuel consumption - my recommendation is to actually bump the tire wear up to x4 for this race. I would also recommend making the fuel x2, but if only one option was to change I would recommend the tire wear more than the fuel change.
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I like the idea of allowing the driver choosing the combo to decide on fuel/tire wear. We can fall back to 3x/3x (and 3x/6x for sports tires) as the default.
 
Sounds like the committed drivers idea didn't raise any alarms, so I've updated the first post to include the following:

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The drivers list is separated into three groups - Official Drivers, Provisional Drivers, and Interested Drivers

Official Drivers - Eligible for season championship, and guaranteed a spot in each week's race
To become an official driver, you must commit to racing 6 of the 8 races in the upcoming season (note that this can only be done in between seasons - the next chance to become an official driver is: Now until 5/22 at Noon (EST)​

If an official driver misses more than 2 races in a given season, they will be demoted to "Interested Driver"​

Provisional Drivers - Ineligible for season championship, but guaranteed a spot in each week's race
To become a provisional driver, simply reply to this thread at any time during the season.

If a provisional driver misses more than 2 races in a given season, they will be demoted to "Interested Driver"​

Interested Drivers - Ineligible for season championship, and spots in each week's race will be given on a first come, first serve basis
To become an interested driver, simply reply to this thread at any time. Interested drivers should be those that would like to occasionally participate (i.e. less than 75% of races).

If an interested driver consistently violates the SNAIL OLR, he/she will be ineligible to compete until the following season​
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There are currently only 4 "Official Drivers" for the upcoming season. To guarantee a spot in each race, as well as compete for the season championship, commit before 5/22 at Noon (EST).
 
I was choosing between the Lambo and the Ferrari to keep it Italian.

The Lambo is a horrible car to drive, and is also very heavy - the brakes on the Ferrari are wonderful - also for those of you who drive cockpit, the Ferrari has a great rear view monitor that the Lambo doesn't have.

I will be driving in cockpit view this race, going to try that out.
 
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