SNAIL - Endurance Series

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    The SNAIL Endurance Series is a weekly event to showcase your skills in managing fuel, tire wear, and fatigue.

    Lobby Settings

    Race Length: 90 Minutes
    Fuel Depletion: 3x (unless otherwise specified by the driver choosing the combo)
    Tire Wear:
    3x for Racing, 6x for Sports (unless otherwise specified by the driver choosing the combo)
    Tires Allowed:

    Gr. 1/2/3/4 - RH, RM, or RS
    N* - SH, SM, SS
    Gr. X - TBD by the driver choosing the combo​
    Visible Damage: On
    Mechanical Damage: Heavy
    Fuel Map Adjustments: Allowed
    Flag Rules: On
    (Everything else is the same as normal/Sunday night racing)


    Tuesday Night Schedule

    8:30 (EST) - Room Opens
    9:00 - 10:30 - Race

    The starting grid will be ordered by current overall standings (regardless of division). If we have to combine lobbies, the drivers in the faster car will be up front. For example:

    [Driving the Faster Car]
    Official driver with the most overall points
    ...
    Official driver with the least overall points
    Interested driver first to arrive in lobby
    ...
    Interested driver last to arrive in lobby

    [Driving the Slower Car]
    Official driver with the most overall points
    ...
    Official driver with the least overall points
    Interested driver first to arrive in lobby
    ...
    Interested driver last to arrive in lobby


    Car/Track Selection

    Each division will drive a separate car, but we'll share the same track. Selecting each week's combos will be determined by two weekly prize winners:

    Prize A: You get to choose the track and car of your division
    - Awarded to the driver with the most points in the current season (regardless of division)
    - Prize A can only be won by a driver once per season​

    Prize B: You get to choose the car for your division
    - Awarded to the driver who won their division’s race
    - Prize B cannot be claimed by a driver from the same division as the winner of Prize A
    - Prize B can be won multiple times in the same season​

    Note that the Prize B winner is limited in his/her choice of car. Since we may need to combine lobbies on race day, the cars driven by each division need to play nicely together - specifically, the car chosen by the Prize B winner must:
    - Use the same tire compounds and tire/fuel wear as the car chosen by the Prize A winner
    - Allow for safe/easy passing (i.e. the lap times by each car should be roughly 5 seconds apart)​

    Here’s a table (that could probably use some tweaking) to use as a guideline for the Prize B car:

    [Prize A Car] -> [Prize B Car]
    Gr. 1 -> Gr. 3, Gr. 4, or Gr. B
    Gr. 2 -> Gr. 3, Gr. 4, or Gr. B
    Gr. 3 -> Gr. 1 or Gr. 2
    Gr. 4 -> Gr. 1 or Gr. 2
    Gr. B -> Gr. 1 or Gr. 2
    Gr. X -> TBD
    N1000 -> N600 or N700
    N900 -> N500 or N600
    N800 -> N400 or N500
    N700 -> N300, N400, or N1000
    N600 -> N200, N300, N900, or N1000
    N500 -> N100, N200, N800, or N900
    N400 -> N100, N700, or N800
    N300 -> N600 or N700
    N200 -> N500 or N600
    N100 -> N400 or N500

    9/25 Combo: (chosen by @TEX36 (Prize A) and @Jw_wk1010 (Prize B)):

    Track:
    Circuit de Sainte-Croix B
    Division 1 Car: Ford Mustang (GR 4)
    Division 2 Car: GT by Citroen Race Car (GR 3)
    Tire Compounds: RH, RM, or RS
    Fuel/Tire Wear: 3x Fuel / 4x Tires
    9/18 Combo: (chosen by @Herimopp89 (Prize A) and @Jw_wk1010 (Prize B)):
    Track:
    Brands Hatch Grand Prix Circuit
    Division 1 Car: Lexus LF-LC GT VGT (GR X)
    Division 2 Car: Lamoborghini Huracan GT3 2015 (GR 3)
    Tire Compounds: RH, RM, or RS
    Fuel/Tire Wear: 5x Fuel / 3x Tires

    9/11 Combo: (chosen by @stelephant (Prize A) and @Neutty (Prize B)):
    Track:
    Willow Springs International Raceway: Streets of Willow Springs
    Division 1 Car: Toyota S-FR '15 (N100)
    Division 2 Car: Toyota 86 GRMN '16 (N200)
    Tire Compounds: SS, SM, SH
    Fuel/Tire Wear: 10x Fuel / 10x Tires
    9/4 Combo: (chosen by @vsfit (Prize A) and @Neutty (Prize B)):
    Track:
    Red Bull Ring @ 7:00 Clear
    Division 1 Car: McLaren MP4-4 12C 2010 (N600)
    Division 2 Car: Jaguar F-Type R Coupe 2014 (N600)
    Tire Compounds: RH, RM, or RS
    Fuel/Tire Wear: 5x Fuel / 3x Tires

    8/28 Combo: (chosen by @THRASH (Prize A) and @Neutty (Prize B)):
    Track:
    Northern Isle Speedway @ 21:00 Clear
    Division 1 Car: Dodge Viper (N500)
    Division 2 Car: Corvette C7 '14 (N500)
    Tire Compounds: RH, RM, or RS
    Fuel/Tire Wear: 4x Fuel / 2x Tires

    8/21 Combo: (chosen by @Hanable (Prize A) and @BradESPN (Prize B)):
    Track:
    Circuit De St. Croix - A II @ 13:20
    Division 1 Car: Mazda 787B
    Division 2 Car: Lexus RC F GT3 (Emil Frey Racing) 2017
    Tire Compounds: RH, RM, or RS
    Fuel/Tire Wear: Default (3x for both)

    8/14 Combo: (chosen by @Mully465 (Prize A) and @BradESPN (Prize B)):
    Track:
    Dragon Trail - Seaside @ 18:30 Fine Weather
    Division 1 Car: Subaru WRX Gr. 4
    Division 2 Car: Corvette C7 Gr. 3
    Tire Compounds: RH, RM, or RS
    Fuel/Tire Wear: Default (3x for both)

    8/7 Combo: (chosen by @Neutty (Prize A) and @thracerviewr (Prize B)):
    Track:
    Circuit de Sainte-Croix - C @ 15:10 Fine Weather
    Division 1 Car: Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car
    Division 2 Car: 2016 Honda Raybrig NSX Concept-GT
    Tire Compounds: RH, RM, or RS
    Fuel/Tire Wear: Default (3x for both)

    7/31 Combo: (chosen by @TEX36 (Prize A) and @Neutty (Prize B)):
    Track:
    Suzuka Circuit @ 07:45 Clear
    Division 1 Car: Aston Martin Vantage V8 (Gr. 4)
    Division 2 Car: Renault Sport R.S. 01 GT3 '16 (Gr. 3)
    Tire Compounds: RH, RM, or RS
    Fuel/Tire Wear: 4x Fuel / 5x Tire

    7/24 Combo: (chosen by @thracerviewr (Prize A) and @Neutty (Prize B)):
    Track:
    Nürburgring 24h - Night 22:30, Clear
    Division 1 Car: Gran Turismo Red Bull X2014 Junior
    Division 2 Car: Porsche 911 RSR (911) '17
    Tire Compounds: RH, RM, or RS
    Fuel/Tire Wear: Default (3x for both)

    7/17 Combo: (chosen by @BradESPN (Prize A) and @thracerviewr (Prize B)):
    Track: Kyoto Driving Park: Yamagiwa + Miyabi II @ 1900 Clear
    Division 1 Car: NISSAN MOTUL AUTECH GT-R 2016 (GT500)
    Division 2 Car: VOLKSWAGEN BEETLE GR.3
    Tire Compounds: RH, RM, or RS
    Fuel/Tire Wear: Default (3x for both)
    7/10 Combo (chosen by @Hanable):
    Car: WRX STI Isle of Man Time Attack ‘16
    Tires: RH, RM, or RS​
    Track: Dragon Trail - Gardens @ 18:30
    Tire/Fuel: Default (3x)

    7/3 Combo (chosen by @TEX36):
    Car: Lexus AU Tom’s RC F 2016 (GT500)
    Tires: RH, RM, or RS​
    Track: Dragon Trail - Seaside @ 08:00
    Tire/Fuel: 6x Tire / 4x Fuel

    6/26 Combo (chosen by @SAMHAIN85):
    Car: Dodge Viper SRT GT3-R '15 (Gr. 3)
    Tires: RH, RM, or RS​
    Track: Autodromo de Interlagos @ 9:30 Sunny
    Tire/Fuel: 9x Tire / 5x Fuel

    6/19 Combo (chosen by @Neutty)
    Car: Nissan R92CP 92’
    Tires: RH, RM, or RS
    HP: 938
    Weight: 1984 lbs​
    Track: Tokyo Expressway - Central Outer Loop @ 18:00 Clear
    Tire/Fuel: 4x Tire / 3x Fuel

    6/12 Combo (chosen by @spidermonkey)
    Car: R8 LMS (Audi Sport Team WRT) '15
    Tires: RH, RM, or RS​
    Track: Autodrome Lago Maggiore GP @ 6:10 Clear
    Tire/Fuel: 3x Tire / 3x Fuel

    6/5 Combo (chosen by @keepitsteady / speedcenter)
    Car: Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat '15 (N700)
    Tires: SH, SM, or SS
    HP: 707
    Weight: 4365 lbs​
    Track: Circuit de la Sarth - 15:00 Clear
    Tire/Fuel: 4x Tire / 2x Fuel

    5/29 Combo (chosen by @MSgtGunny)
    Car: Chevrolet Corvette C7 GR.4
    Tires: RH, RM, or RS​
    Track: Brands Hatch GP - 20:00 Clear
    Tire/Fuel: 5x Tire / 4x Fuel

    5/22 Combo (chosen by @Sean Renon)
    Car: FERRARI 458 ITALIA GT3 2013 (Gr.3)
    Tires: RH, RM, or RS
    HP: 542
    Weight: 2,679 lbs​
    Track: Autodromo Nazionale Monza - Noon
    5/15 Combo: TBD (chosen by @spidermonkey)
    Car: TOYOTA S-FR RACING CONCEPT 2016
    Tires: SH, SM, or SS​
    Track: Mount Panorama Motor Racing Circuit - Dawn

    5/8 Combo (chosen by @MikeGrove):
    Car: ALFA ROMEO 4C GR.3
    Tires: RH, RM, or RS​
    Track: Alsace - Village - 17:15 Fine Weather

    5/1 Combo (chosen by @SAMHAIN85):
    Car: DODGE VIPER GR.4
    Tires: RH, RM, or RS​
    Track: Nurburgring 24H - 08:00 Clear

    4/24 Combo (chosen by SNAIL):
    Car: HONDA RAYBRIG NSX CONCEPT GT 2016 (GT500)
    Tires: RH, RM, or RS​
    Track: Suzuka Circuit - 18:45 Clear


    Current Drivers List:

    Division 1:
    @Neutty
    @BradESPN
    @Jw_wk1010
    @FREEREVN
    @Sean Renon / MalevolentFather
    @spidermonkey / x_SIK_PUPPY_x
    @thracerviewr / TheRaceReviewer
    @Whitey093

    Division 2:
    @stelephant
    @TEX36 / TEX-36
    @Mully465
    @Hanable / hanablemoore
    @THRASH
    @vsfit
    @Nick Cannella / nog3861
    @Herimopp89

    Interested Drivers For Race on 9/18:
    @MajorBlixem


    (D2) @ChauncyMarsh / Se4n2s0si
    (D1) @keepitsteady / speedcenter
    (D1) @Kgffy
    (D1) @Drew71 / Monster-Sport71
    (D1) @MikeGrove
    (D1) @Jw_wk1010
    (D1) @bigbeefytaco / ERAUfan97
    (D1) @MikeGrove
    (D1) @Grandpa Money
    (D1) @src_ej6
    (D1) @SAMHAIN85
    (D1) @GTPvw_slc / SLC_VR6_V-DUB
    (D1) @MSgtGunny
    (D1) @TomMang_68 / OMG_mang
    (D2) @Rogue Clone
    (D2) @DublDee
    (D2) @Raw10_2u
    (D2) @TVV0_


    Points and Standings

    The points for each race will be awarded as follows:

    1st - 25
    2nd - 21
    3rd - 17
    4th - 13
    5th - 12
    6th - 11
    ...
    16th - 1​

    For a given season, the top 6 (of 8) scores will be used for the season championship.
     
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    Season 3 Standings

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  3. TVV0_

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    I was going to ask what night on main thread. Unfortunately wednesday wont work for me. I was also going to try and start a similar league but on tuesday as that works with my schedule.
     
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    Pretty much every day works for me (divorced life is great, btw) so I'll update the day to "TBD" until we get more opinions.
     
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  5. Neutty

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    I think the winning combo would be a good idea for the first race. But after that I think we should allow the winner to select a combo each week.... because if we have another instance where the same combo runs 3 weeks straight I’m not going to run that many laps on the same combo.
     
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    Haha good point... yeah, I like the idea of allowing the winner to choose (and if the same winner wins back-to-back weeks, the prize can go to second place).
     
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  7. DesertPenguin

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    1.5 hours is a really long time but other than that it's pretty good. I agree with spec because it keeps the racing tight like our Sunday series.
     
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    I'm open for any time. So Thursday night and Sunday night are a no go. Other than that I'll go with whatever is the consensus.

    Also, I'm sure we'll get some testing in to debate tire/fuel wear as @BradESPN suggested.
     
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    Tire wear will be different between cars so that's a quick thing to work out in testing. That's something the prize winner can find out when testing for the pick. The main race car classes can probably be the same for all cars in class but do you think that can be done with the road cars?
     
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    Hi Brad - thanks for kicking this off. @USERID_77a23 and I were toying around with a similar idea a few months ago, so I’m tagging him in this thread.

    I love the idea of full damage , and the winning combo from previous week idea too, but I also agree that may go flat for as often as we practice the same combos all week long.
    As DP eluded to , the weight of the car will determine severity of tire wear.
     
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  11. aLmk

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    I'm definitely interested, at least as a potential part-timer participant. So don't worry about my availability when selecting a day and time.
     
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    I'm interested, and will participate as much as possible. I've been browsing the net a bit looking for an endurance league so your timing is perfect!
     
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    I’ll help get the word out!
     
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    Sounds like the only contentious parts are the day we race, and the length of the race.

    Day we race - How does everyone feel about Tuesday night? @TVV0_ are there any other days that work for you (just in case we have a conflict)?

    Length of the race - We have a few options here:
    A) One 1.5 hour race
    B) One 1 hour race
    C) Two 1 hour races
    D) Two 45 minute races
    I'd like to finalize everything soon enough to start racing next week, so if you have any opinions on the above, speak now! Also, I've added a poll to help decide on day of the week - it'll close in 2 days, at which point I'll add a poll for the length of the race.

     
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  15. Sean Renon

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    I would like to be on the list - I love racing endurance races.

    I think 2x45 minute races are good, and second could again be reverse grid if you wanted to keep in the spirit of SNAIL.
    If that isn't an option, 1x90 minute race is my vote.

    Weeknights work for me, I always struggle to get around to racing on Sunday night which is why I can't race in the main league as often as I would like to.

    Also, I think with races of this length, tire and fuel wear should be at x3 at most.

    Has there been discussion about car class? I think we should stay away from N500+ as these cars handle like ass when the tires start to wear and really don't make endurance racing very fun. The group 4/3 cars are a great place to start imo.

    PSN name is MalevolentFather
     
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    Added, thanks Sean!

    Yeah, I'd be okay with any of the race length options, but would probably prefer 1x90.

    I'm pretty ignorant at this point when it comes to fuel/tire wear, so I'll be doing a bunch of testing this weekend... our current combos in the main series give a pretty wide spectrum, so I'll probably just try something like x3 for all of them and see how it goes.

    Is anyone strongly opposed to keeping fuel/tire wear consistent (regardless of combo)? This consistency would actually add to variety because each car will of course handle fuel/tires so differently.
     
  17. spidermonkey

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    Shoot me a message and I'll test with you if available to get more data
     
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    Will do! I'll start a group chat in PSN with everyone in this thread.
     
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    I can also run some testing tonight, if we need a track for the first night my vote is Dragon Trail - not too difficult to drive, good high speed track and one technical section that will keep people awake.
     
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    I think we're gonna use the winning combo from Sunday and we just need a protocol for when it lasts a second week. Maybe give the last week's winner an option to change either car or track.
     
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    I like the 90 minute race. Saturday may be possible for me but not every week.
     
  22. Sean Renon

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    I'm fine with that, but I would like if we could open up the tire compounds, so if we're using racing tires, racing hard, medium, soft and super soft were all available and it'd become the drivers choice what he/she runs.
     
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    Friday needs to be taken off your list of possibilities. The BoD has something in the works.
     
  24. BradESPN

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    Noted. It won't let me remove it from the poll, but it's effectively out.
     
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    I could go either way on this - what does everyone else think?
     
  26. SAMHAIN85

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    I dont have many enduro races under my belt but I'm willing to give this a shot. The last one I did was with @GTP_Nail and gang, they might be interested too
     
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    If you do allow allow tire options it's usually best to keep it simple and use only two or three. The extra super soft this time around makes it interesting. You can now play the Pirelli Formula 1 Tire Selection Simulator and decide which set of compounds get to be used at each race! Go with two side by side like hard/medium or spread it out with medium/super soft and see how an extra pit stop with fresher faster tires works. The power is yours!
     
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    Same im down for either. itll add to the strategy if allowed differents compounds however
     
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    I think a good mix would be Hard and Soft. Everyone is used to racing on Hard, but adding in the soft would make for totally different strategies, unfortunately we don't have safety cars which would make tire selection/pitting even more strategic. It sounds like they aren't planning on adding dynamic weather, but that would make endurance even more fun.
     
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    We can have a safety car ;)
     
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