Sport modes biggest failing for the slow to average driver.

[Veinz]

Six car grids is just sad.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

6 to 8 people per race just so you have a higher chance at winning? I don't like race A as 12 players is kinda boring.

Sometimes half the grid gets booted at the start and you get one of those 8 people races. No fun, you're just driving on your own most of the time. I wouldn't mind longer races with bigger grids, especially on N24. An hour long race with 100 cars, bring it on.

Since DR is not all that reliable, smaller grids only lead to less close races. Race A often turns into a parade with little interaction between players unless it's one of those where people keep flying off the track every where. The more players, the bigger the chance you run into someone you can actually have a fun battle with.

 

[Lord of Tranz]

Six car grids is just sad.

And that's the problem. If they system worked properly, that's what it would be more and more.

Such a mixed bag. Putting known good racers in with known slower drivers though. Only widens the gap as we all have limits of course. It's no answer. (Though always room to improve, hard to get motivated with the penalty system adding to a race's problems too).

 

[VFOURMAX1]

But in reality with such a disparity in the skill levels and or pace placed on the starting grids in many races you are lucky if you are racing among 6 cars past the first few turns as it is now.

The A+ and maybe a couple of high A'S are gone racing for the top 4 or 5 spots, the slower A's and faster B's are racing for the next 6 or 7 spots and the slower players race for the half dozen or so spots.

So you are for all intents and purposes racing in 5 or 6 car grids as it is now only the lower ranked player you happen to be the more that gaining a pole position, fastest lap or even a win is not even a remote possibility.

The higher ranked players meanwhile pad their stats with multiple pole positions, multiple fast laps and wins while many times actually racing no one that is on their same level but those stats and number of race wins per races run sure look good don't they?

Not saying that is what the higher level players want or desire but just the way it is.

Mid and low level Sport Mode players are supposed to be happy always racing for gaining 4 or 5 positions within the race and feel the accomplishment of finishing 8th or 10th but yet realistically never have many chances at starting up front or claiming a win because they are rarely if ever matched with a full grid of equal players.

But that is supposed to be okay because the faster guys need someone to fill their grids.

And this could be the DR D racer talking about the B drivers just as easy as the B drivers talking about the A+ or A racers. This problem is the same for all the rankings except the very top.

And people wonder why many do not stick around for sport mode races?
If the game always seems to stack the deck against you and never gives you the chance to actually win how long are you going to settle for mid level results before you walk away.
Percentage wise very few are die hard serious sim racers playing the game and the majority play for fun and yes a chance to visit victory lane.

The smaller grids sure beats no one but the hard core guys playing because their numbers are not high enough to justify the studio to continue supporting the game and adding new content or running championship series races.

Six car grids is just sad.

Since DR is not all that reliable, smaller grids only lead to less close races

I agree and why I have always advocated for a pace or lap time based element to be added into the matching criteria along with the what is currently being used.

When the game has over 5 million accounts and Sport Mode cannot draw enough players to fill a race grid with 20 equal matched players across an entire region then something is not working well for the player base in general as the participation rates is at such a low level.

 

[Shottah072]

This may be being done because of a lack of players but again that is not the issue or topic being discussed as what is being discussed here is if the game is delivering on the on line Sport mode race grids and races as it advertised to do and unless the grids are made up of EQUAL RANKED AND MATCHED COMPETITORS then the game has not delivered what was advertised and no amount of twisting words, meanings or giving excuses as to why changes that.

The lack of players IS the issue... in the weekends you will get much better grids, way better matched, why is that ? Because more players = more equal grids. To few players = no equal grids.

The system it self is fine.

 

[kilesa4568]

Ignoring the people who don't bother with qualifying or are happy with their very first lap, it seems like my race grids have around a 5% time difference from front to back. I'd say that was reasonable for matchmaking but 5% looks like a hell of a difference when seen from both ends of the grid.

 

[Veinz]

The lack of players IS the issue... in the weekends you will get much better grids, way better matched, why is that ? Because more players = more equal grids. To few players = no equal grids.

The system it self is fine.

Not sure how this keeps going over people's heads.

 

[Greycap]

And people wonder why many do not stick around for sport mode races?
If the game always seems to stack the deck against you and never gives you the chance to actually win how long are you going to settle for mid level results before you walk away.
Percentage wise very few are die hard serious sim racers playing the game and the majority play for fun and yes a chance to visit victory lane.

If people can't take any other result than victory, they're playing the wrong game. In a grid of 12 the chance of winning from outside the top 5 is nearly non-existant if the starting order is even roughly proportionate to the drivers' pace.

OK, it could be solved by moving the seven slowest ones to an easier grid. There - the same applies. Again, move the seven slowest ones to an easier grid. Repeat until there's no easier grid available, it's the 12 slowest drivers in their region together. And the problem still remains. The one starting from the 11th position has no chance of winning. What could be done to give them a nice race and a chance of winning? Run a race of two cars? Even then the other one wouldn't win. Or perhaps accept the situation, realize that someone has to be the last, and that's it? Because someone has to be the last.

Or the other way around. Put the 12 fastest drivers of the region together. The one starting from the 11th position has no chance of winning in this case either. Being a serious top dog and still no victories, no pole positions, no fastest laps because there are those ten faster ones. Being an A+ driver isn't much of a consolation after a few dozen 8th or 9th place finishes in a row. But again, someone has to take those positions.

 

[Sander 001]

It's amazed me that this has never been addressed yet in any updates. I'm talking about the terrible mismatching of rankings. For example, i've been a D-S for a long time who sometimes reaches the dizzy heights of C-S. All too often though i get both rankings pushed down. Why? Because the system thinks it is fair to match a driver who is D rated with A and S rated drivers.
Im not interested in the mechanics of how or why this happens, im aware. What i can't understand is how it is still allowed to happen after so many updates. For example, ive put hours and hours in to qualifying trials for Bathurst and my absolute best is 2:06.750.
Now after that i never managed to dip below 2:07.2 ever again, it was a true one off. My peak of talent. My limit. My absolute best that cant be improved upon.
I was quite happy with that yet since gaining that time im constantly matched with A and S rated drivers who are at least 3 seconds a lap faster than me and will churn those times out constantly. Its not just Bathurst, it's every sport mode race since the game began. Rarely do i get a fair and equal grid and manage to get a fair race with equal drivers.
The game should match drivers equally. D with D, B with B and so forth. A D-S driver should only ever be matched with a grid of other D-S drivers as should A-S drivers only be mixed with A-S drivers and the same for every other combo too. Seriously, how hard can i be to implement a fair system?! It totally puts me off racing when you know you cant make any progress.

PD does a horrible job of incentivizing players in multiple ways.

Even something small like having class wins could be rewarding enough for many players. You finished as the top C driver in a race which includes B and A drivers? That counts as a win for you.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

The lack of players IS the issue...

And why is that when the game has over 5 million player accounts?

Sport Mode all racers start at DR E. Then you place those new casual racers in races that include say DR B, C and D level racers and they finish near the back of the field.
They enter 3 or 4 more races with the same results and say the heck with this and never race sport mode again which the stats say a very high percentage of racers do not race over 5 Sport Mode races.

Could this be one of the reasons why?

Or how about the guy that is playing Sport Mode and wants to get the number of poles or race wins achievement and he is 95% of the time placed in a grid where he has basically 0% chance of obtaining any of the goals he is actually racing for.

Boom, you just lost another racer that if perhaps had of been experiencing the thrill of racing for a top spot or podium finish may have developed into a more serious racer that would stay around for the long haul, but nope he is gone as well!

Sometimes you have to look at what is going on from a different perspective to understand why something is failing and not being a popular option from such a high percentage of the player base.

The future higher ranking player base comes from those that may just be starting out and you need to make it something that will keep them coming back and starting a race with many knowing that even a top ten may be lucky on a regular basis is not the formula to keep those guys coming back for more.

Not sure how this keeps going over people's heads.

It is not over anyone's head to my knowledge but how is it possible or so difficult that people fail to recognize that the low numbers within Sport Mode issue may very well relate straight back to how the newer or lower ranked a player may be the more likely he or she is to being screwed by a ranking system that does not place the racer in a race that they have a chance to actually be competitive with a chance at all finishing positions in a race?

This is what is hard to understand as for the situation to be rectified then we need more players but lets not point about the reason being unequal racing grids could very well be one of the main causes while we watch the player base continue to shrink and grow smaller!

If people can't take any other result than victory, they're playing the wrong game. In a grid of 12 the chance of winning from outside the top 5 is nearly non-existant if the starting order is even roughly proportionate to the drivers' pace.

It is not about always winning but being placed within a grid with like competition where you have a chance for a pole or top 5 starting spot that does give you a chance to win or how about even turning the fast lap for the race?

A racer even if at the very bottom of the points in a ranking tier can at least feel that the carrot within that same tier may be a reachable goal worth pursuing,

But make that carrot be from a full 2 ranking levels higher than their current ranking suddenly it is no longer the carrot but a very unlikely chance of obtaining such a lofty goal in the near future if ever and as such the player throws in the towel.

Pace wise within the tier we may be talking a 1 second or maybe even tenths of an average lap pace need to improve to the higher racers within a tier.
But change that to two levels higher that gap may be 2 or 3 full seconds which may very well seem to large a gap to bridge as an example.

The carrot always needs to be close enough to be reasonably obtainable not a distant way point.

Winning is not everything or the only thing but putting racers in grids where they are nothing but grid fillers from the start over and over to fill the grids for faster paced drivers. That D ranked racer that is 10 seconds a lap slower than the A+ guy on the pole really feels like this is a race where they started with a chance to do well or finish up front right?

 

[W Patrick]

It gets really frustrating if you’re a safe but slow driver. We RARELY ever get a skill balanced room. Almost every race it’s the same old story. Qualify, don’t qualify, enter the race as a d/s driver and once you’re at the track you see 2-3 A/S drivers & you have zero chance of winning. Wash, rinse, repeat over and over and over.........
It’s like a cruel joke.

 

[Downhill Dino]

He's right though, this is literally how every ranked game mode works. This isn't something new, it's a "problem" with any competitive game out there. Reasons for a lack of players are also irrelevant. The fix is 100%, and always will be without exception, to have a larger playerbase.

 

[dabz343]

And people wonder why many do not stick around for sport mode races?
If the game always seems to stack the deck against you and never gives you the chance to actually win how long are you going to settle for mid level results before you walk away.

When the game has over 5 million accounts and Sport Mode cannot draw enough players to fill a race grid with 20 equal matched players across an entire region then something is not working well for the player base in general as the participation rates is at such a low level.

I tried to stay out of this, but since the community cares so passionately...by the way, I read/scanned every post.

What I see being echoed is, there is a significant desire from a large portion of drivers that want Sport Mode to offer something enjoyable, something rewarding, something they can come back to day after day. The driver pool for GTS is likely comprised of average enthusiasts, yet they feel underserved. Rightfully I believe, as current playability in Sport Mode of 3 races/week is bland at best.

But the player base is in jeopardy. This is a reality, and it's creating havoc for matchmaking (both for elite and enthusiast), ultimately diluting the 'enjoyment' of those that continue to play. It's good that some find enjoyment in personal ways, but should GTS be more complete? Offering a multi-dimensional Sport Mode that ushers and nurtures new drivers as well as challenge the aliens?

When I think of Motorsports, it's not just the racing. It's engineering, it's driver progression, the competition/comradery, and so much more...perhaps PD needs to first and foremost acknowledge that there is a participation issue and this is creating a desperate downward spiral. Then gather their best minds to focus on imagining something that invigorates their driver pool.

Here is a 'low hanging fruit' to get PD started. Design a new feature that encourages novice drivers to participate. Reference the real world and leverage the principles that form the current progression ladder to produce your own. Or better yet, get inspired and imagine something bold, something exciting, something only a digital platform could invent. Don't just tool around in the current DR/SR/Penalties looking for efficiencies/optimizations, design something fresh. You achieved this once before with the 1st GT, you can do it again.

Lastly, sometimes we get stuck on examining what is and what isn't, getting entrenched to defend our position. From my experience, this doesn't lead to positive outcomes and destroys any sense of imagination.

 

[Veinz]

And why is that when the game has over 5 million player accounts?



It is not over anyone's head to my knowledge but how is it possible or so difficult that people fail to recognize that the low numbers within Sport Mode issue may very well relate straight back to how the newer or lower ranked a player may be the more likely he or she is to being screwed by a ranking system that does not place the racer in a race that they have a chance to actually be competitive with a chance at all finishing positions in a race?

This is what is hard to understand as for the situation to be rectified then we need more players but lets not point about the reason being unequal racing grids could very well be one of the main causes while we watch the player base continue to shrink and grow smaller!

This is a niche genre on consoles from the get go, I hardly think the low numbers have anything to do "screwing" new or low ranked people. Not that I think it does screw those people anyway.

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

Enough scapegoating upon outside factors why D drivers are stuck in D. Occam's razor - they lack the pace and proper racecraft. Its a very simple equation; do better than your peers and you will climb, do worse and you will drop. Perform at an average and you will remain there. Given OPs extensive sample size, he is right where he belongs (even if it may be difficult to stomach). I have presented a temporary solution that could alleviate the disparity in ranks on the grid due to lack of players who fits the pattern by expanding the SR rank. The larger amplitude will allow for a much more accurate representation of this rank and thus better matchmaking.

 

[rono_thomas]

Enough scapegoating upon outside factors why D drivers are stuck in D. Occam's razor - they lack the pace and proper racecraft. Its a very simple equation; do better than your peers and you will climb, do worse and you will drop. Perform at an average and you will remain there. Given OPs extensive sample size, he is right where he belongs (even if it may be difficult to stomach). I have presented a temporary solution that could alleviate the disparity in ranks on the grid due to lack of players who fits the pattern by expanding the SR rank. The larger amplitude will allow for a much more accurate representation of this rank and thus better matchmaking.

Even with an expanded SR rank the problems of matching DR will still persist, matching SR has never been a problem.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

I hardly think the low numbers have anything to do "screwing" new or low ranked people. Not that I think it does screw those people anyway.

I find it interesting that those that usually respond in such a manner are the higher A ranked players that generally are not affected.

Something else I find interesting is why does the very upper ranked faster players care that a grid is filled with slower ranked players that they will never encounter during the race anyway because they will have gone off and left the slower racers within the first half dozen or so corners anyway?

Enough scapegoating upon outside factors why D drivers are stuck in D. Occam's razor - they lack the pace and proper racecraft. Its a very simple equation; do better than your peers and you will climb, do worse and you will drop. Perform at an average and you will remain there. Given OPs extensive sample size, he is right where he belongs

And going back and reading the OP's original post not once did I hear him complain about being a D level racer! His complaint was about being placed in unfair racing grids consisting of up to A ranked players which is a legitimate gripe when the game advertised to "'Sports Mode' will match drivers of equal level together" and is failing to do so.

Many racers are content at whatever pace they may be running or ranking they may currently be in. They do not care about being in the top rankings but that does not mean they want to be used to complete the game as a pawn for the faster racers.

It is stated that the game lacks sufficient players to fill the grids with equal level players as promised in the games advertising.

So start using AI to fill the grids instead of using lower ranked players as grid fillers for faster higher tiered racers if there are not enough within their tier to fill the grids.

All racers regardless of ranking deserve the chance to race within the ranking tier where they reside and not race to be a grid filler for higher tiered racers.

That D ranked driver is just wanting a legitimate shot at winning races, gaining poles and getting fast race laps among equal competitors the same as him.
After all this is what the game promised but instead he is many times racing racers many ranks higher and faster than him, explain to him how that ranks as being equal competition please?

To him he has the same rights as the highest ranked racers in the game but he is not getting to play on the same level playing field as the top ranked guys which have a chance to win when they hit enter lobby for a sport mode race!

 

[bone_tone]

The lack of players IS the issue... in the weekends you will get much better grids, way better matched, why is that ? Because more players = more equal grids. To few players = no equal grids.

The system it self is fine.

This is definitely the case a lot of the time - some of the A races I've done this week have only had 9 or 10 entrants, so you inevitably end up with a wide spread of DR.

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

Even with an expanded SR rank the problems of matching DR will still persist, matching SR has never been a problem.

When one has the potential to go from S to B or even C SR due to a couple of mayhem races and thus heavily skew his actual rank (lets presume a stable S), i would indeed call it a problem. These fluctuations is one of the reasons for a volatile matchmaking. Not to mention the fact that you can artifically max your SR (and quite fast too) by just repeatedly cruising at the back. This itself is a major concession on part of PD, at the very least with SR: S rank in mind. SR S should only be attainable by people who are capable of driving clean in traffic, with respectable pace to boot.

 

[soundtiger95]

The playing field is way under populated to be working fine. This is sport mode's biggest failing.

Do you have evidence of the player base being under populated enough for it to affect matchmaking? It’s amaazing how you and others are claiming this without even a shred of evidence to prove it.

Right here



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I’m still waiting to see where my pretentious attitude is. These comments aren’t showing it at all. Again, back up your claims with evidence.

If you felt the need to reply to the thread's OP then click reply to that post. However you replied to a different post altogether. If you happen to join a conversation making assumptions you know what they say about assume. No one is out to vilify you, you got something wrong and have since been attempting to move the embarrassment elsewhere. You could have just read and apologised, and the matter would have been over. You have no need to trawl through threads looking for pertinent information, the arrows in the reply boxes link you directly to the previous comment in that conversation, you have been a member a long time, you know the difference between reading the OP and reading the thread.

My goodness, the level of projection here is simply astounding. If you had read the entire thread, you would have seen that I did, in fact, reply to the main post earlier in the thread. Every post I had seen before and after that from OP we’re of them arguing in favor of changing the system, so I assumed they were doing the same. I wasn’t expecting them to leave a big piece of information out of their main post and only mention it randomly a few pages in where it’s buried. I also haven’t been trying to move embarrassment anywhere. Why do you keep claiming things that aren’t true? I literally admitted to missing the post and owned up to it multiple times. Are YOU not reading the thread? Don’t try to use the “the matter would have been over” line after I had just done the same to you, it comes off as projecting. The matter would have been over had you not acted arrogant and responded the way you did and instead just said what the situation was. It’s like if you were watching a movie and someone asked you what just happened because they zoned out for a second, and you respond with “are you watching the movie?” That’s not a cool thing to say at all and makes you look stuck up and self-righteous.

Don't do this.[/QUOTE

Man, I can only hope one day I can be as amazing as you are and never ever make a mistake in my life.

No but its quite easy to follow the conversation backwards as I have explained.

You really aren’t getting it, are you? I made an assumption based on OP’s other replies. I wasn’t expecting a unique situation to pop up out of nowhere. I don’t know why you can’t accept that someone made a mistake and missed something, especially after they owned up to it.

My idea would be race grids with no more than about 2.5 seconds from the pole sitter to the last place starter

You do realize every race would have like six cars then, right? I’ve been 2-3 seconds behind leaders who are the same rank as me many times. A 2.5 second gap is very much within the same rank. That’s essentially nothing.

Your opinion which you are entitled, but it still does not match what the game advertised as being "'Sports Mode' will match drivers of equal level together using these indexes"

Anytime you have races with A+ and A ranked players with B,C,D or even E ranked players on the same grid and racing in the same race how is that system working fine for that D or E ranked player starting at the rear of the field?

Are you sure you’re reading the very thing you posted to support your statements? They use BOTH indexes, with a very clear bias toward SR due to the fact any other system would be a nightmare for people who want clean racing. The system is working because all of these players have the same exact SR rating and are close enough in DR to warrant racing together. Of course there’s going to be fillers in the back of the field, that’s just the nature of things. But you’re completely ignoring the fact that SR is heavily favored in the matchmaking but most racers are within one or two DR levels of each other, which is a perfectly fine gap. I’ve been at DR C and have gone toe to toe with A level drivers. It’s not some impossible feat.

Actually you are the one that was acting in a condescending manner wanting to be shown an "example of PD claiming or advertising that their system would be based on driver ability/DR which those were your words not mine.

So it actually took only a few minutes not only by myself but also another member as well to post such example from the official GTS web page within the thread which very clearly and plainly stated within the examples posted.

Incredible, I didn’t know asking for evidence of claims was considered condescending. Real nice.

Once again, the evidence you showed doesn’t support your claim at all that matchmaking will be based on DR. It literally said they use BOTH INDEXES. Why are you ignoring this?

So again you are asking how what you say contradicts itself?

The first quote above says it matches no matter what the DR is.
The second quote says if you have a race with two A's, four B's. three C's and one E.
The third quote says the majority of racers will be within the same DR.
You seriously cannot see the direct contradictions in those three post and yet you ask how does this contradict anything I say?

I would say the above shows very well as you do a fine job of contradicting yourself on your own without any outside help from anyone else.

How are these contradictions? All of these things can be true at the same time. Matchmaking is determined mostly by SR with a small input of DR, 9 our of 10 drivers on the grid will be within two levels of each other which is perfectly reasonable given they’re clean racers, and the fact that they’re within two levels shows they’re within range of competing. Being a C level driver and competing with an A isn’t some insurmountable goal.

 

[rono_thomas]

These fluctuations is one of the reasons for a volatile matchmaking.

So matchmaking is broke? Thats what your saying?

Do you have evidence of the player base being under populated enough for it to affect matchmaking?

Never said that I said sport modes biggest failing is it being under populated, 94% of players having not played more than 20 races.

I’m still waiting to see where my pretentious attitude is. These comments aren’t showing it at all. Again, back up your claims with evidence.

You accused me of being pretentious Where on Earth did you get that from, what you did claim was that you didnt say that I attacked you, thats what those quotes show you did.

Nobody is expecting you to read a whole thread as Ive said many times. What is good practice is not to assume, and when you do join the conversation is to make sure you understand what it is your replying to.

Its a bit like butting into someone’s conversation without knowing all the facts and then looking silly when you arrive at the wrong conclusions...oh wait.

(I did notice you replied earlier on I have been reading, it is why I thought it odd that you claimed your 2nd reply was actually your 1st, but carry on...)

 

[Sander 001]

Do you have evidence of the player base being under populated enough for it to affect matchmaking? It’s amaazing how you and others are claiming this without even a shred of evidence to prove it.






I’m still waiting to see where my pretentious attitude is. These comments aren’t showing it at all. Again, back up your claims with evidence.




My goodness, the level of projection here is simply astounding. If you had read the entire thread, you would have seen that I did, in fact, reply to the main post earlier in the thread. Every post I had seen before and after that from OP we’re of them arguing in favor of changing the system, so I assumed they were doing the same. I wasn’t expecting them to leave a big piece of information out of their main post and only mention it randomly a few pages in where it’s buried. I also haven’t been trying to move embarrassment anywhere. Why do you keep claiming things that aren’t true? I literally admitted to missing the post and owned up to it multiple times. Are YOU not reading the thread? Don’t try to use the “the matter would have been over” line after I had just done the same to you, it comes off as projecting. The matter would have been over had you not acted arrogant and responded the way you did and instead just said what the situation was. It’s like if you were watching a movie and someone asked you what just happened because they zoned out for a second, and you respond with “are you watching the movie?” That’s not a cool thing to say at all and makes you look stuck up and self-righteous.

Since matchmaking is putting players of vastly different skill levels together, I’d say the burden of proof is on you to prove there is an adequate player base for Sport Mode !

 

[K1LLD0z3R]

With how many resets there are nowadays I sometimes see D/S sitting on pole in front of A+/S. Since DR.B is quite a big range you often have reset A/S drivers in B/S. So actually the biggest A/S holes can be found in DR.B

DR.D drivers are often hard to predict where they will suddenly brake. DR.C is a strange breed, rarely seen. DR.B drivers tend to be more careful yet sometimes a bit too much causing unintentional pile ups, while many DR.A are over confident in their abilities resulting in a lot of contact. And then you have A+ that expects anything below to get out of their way or they will 'escort' them off the road to complain about blocking in the post race chat.

I’m a bit lost. What are the resets?

 

[VFOURMAX1]

'Sports Mode' will match drivers of equal level together

The system it self is fine.

May I ask you why first off as an upper level and ranked racer why filling a grid with lower ranked racers that you will never encounter in the race is of any importance to you as far as your race is concerned?

Would filling those same basically insignificant grid spots with an AI racer rather than a lower level human racer be a satisfactory alternative in your opinion and if not could you explain why?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

PD does a horrible job of incentivizing players in multiple ways.

Even something small like having class wins could be rewarding enough for many players. You finished as the top C driver in a race which includes B and A drivers? That counts as a win for you.

It might seem 'childish' handing out stickers for certain achievements yet games have shown that that works really well. GTS already does it for certain things so why not expand on it:

- Contact free race bonus, stacks with the clean race bonus
- Class win bonus
- Car win bonus, should be an incentive not to use the meta, could increase with how many of that car entered the race.

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

So matchmaking is broke? Thats what your saying?

Broken? When did i say that. The matchmaking can be inconsistent however at certain times. Hence "volatile".

 

[rono_thomas]

Broken? When did i say that. The matchmaking can be inconsistent however at certain times. Hence "volatile".

So it works sometimes and then other times it doesn’t? This is because SR can be manipulated to represent an untrue, skewed SR. Thats what your saying?

You are definitely saying matchmaking can be inconsistent. Which means sometimes its wrong, but its not broken?

So lets consider that GTS matches players prioritising SR. SR can frequently be wrongly attributed.

Lets treat this as a simple equation, (Occam’s Razor as you like to put it) if you put the wrong figures into an equation you get the wrong answers.

So which is it matchmaking is sometimes faulty but it works exactly as it should?

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

So it works sometimes and then other times it doesn’t? This is because SR can be manipulated to represent an untrue, skewed SR. Thats what your saying?

You are definitely saying matchmaking can be inconsistent. Which means sometimes its wrong, but its not broken?

So lets consider that GTS matches players prioritising SR. SR can frequently be wrongly attributed.

Lets treat this as a simple equation, (Occam’s Razor as you like to put it) if you put the wrong figures into an equation you get the wrong answers.

So which is it matchmaking is sometimes faulty but it works exactly as it should?

Just because something is inconsistent doesn't make it broken, or wrong or faulty. Is the weather broken? Or a swinging pendulum? etc. I don't expect you to understand chaos math and dynamical systems, but you're a loquacious type with a predilection for being hung up on semantics rather than arguing the point therefore i'm not gonna take the bait this time. I'll say this though as a final reply to you, you've got it completely backwards. Wrong data isn't inserted into the equation, nor is it a faulty output. The ranking system is ultimately just a written algorithm that facilitates players into groups based on certain conditions and variables. When i say inconsistent, clearly i don't imply that this algorithm is of chaotic state but rather the outcome (at certain times) may feel inconsistent to players (them getting matched in "unjustly" manner).

 

[rono_thomas]

at certain times

them getting matched in "unjustly" manner

Pretty sure I said that could have just agreed

So which is it matchmaking is sometimes faulty but it works exactly as it should?

... shesh semantics.

 

[shaunus]

Since matchmaking is putting players of vastly different skill levels together, I’d say the burden of proof is on you to prove there is an adequate player base for Sport Mode !

In this case I think you are mistaken. The most likely reason for the matching I can come up with is that the game considers sportsmanship more important than skill in matching.. C-S gets matched with A-S. A-C gets other S rating C&D types.

If you are C driver rating and dont want to face As, then the solution is to get your S rating down to B or even C for a while. Bit sad really.