Street Cars Lap Times (Nordschleife)

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sport' started by Yassi_99, Sep 16, 2018.

  1. Yassi_99

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    Today I started to test street cars to get a better impression of their strenghts and overall performance. I know there are plenty of other people who already did this but I didn't see anyone using the Nordschleife :-) A bit weird as it is the best track to test the vehicles in both handling and straight line speed. As we all know: A fast car on the Nordschleife is (almost) everywhere atleast competitive.

    Same condition for every car:

    -No driving aids (except ABS)
    -Stock (No BoP)
    -Sport Hard tires
    -Driven with DS4


    Laps marked with a * were driven by another person :-) Fast drivers are getting honored

    Note that right now some laptimes from older and newer updates were mixed so some cars might be faster now than indicated by the chart.

    Current lap times:

    *N1000*
    6:58,556 - Ferrari LaFerrari
    7:04,936 - Bugatti Veyron 16.4* - Alex p.

    *N800*
    7:09,616 - Lamborghini Veneno* - Alex p.
    7:14,218 - Aston Martin Vulcan* - Alex p.

    *N700*
    7:04,352 - Pagani Huayra* - Alex p.
    7:12,625 - Ferrari Enzo Ferrari
    7:14,105 - Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4* - Alex p.
    7:15,057 - Aston Martin One-77* - Alex p.
    7:15,563 - McLaren 650S* - Alex p.
    7:30,628 - Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat* - Alex p.

    *N600*
    7:08,686 - McLaren F1
    7:15,609 - Lamborghini Huracán LP610-4* - Alex p.
    7:17,122 - McLaren MP4-12C* - Alex p.
    7:18,573 - Ford Ford GT
    7:18,738 - Ferrari 458 Italia
    7:19,055 - Nissan GT-R NISMO (R35)* Alex p.
    7:20,606 - Dodge Viper GTS* - Alex p.
    7:22,512 - Nissan GT-R (R35)* - Alex p.
    7:22,768 - Lamborghini Diablo GT
    7:23,195 - Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG* - Alex p.
    7:24,080 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren* - Alex p.
    7:26,834 - Honda NSX* - Alex p.
    7:28,181 - Aston Martin DB11* - Alex p.
    7:32,184 - Jaguar F-type R* - Alex p.

    *N500*
    7:11,083 - Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991)
    7:17,400 - Ferrari F40
    7:19,800 - Ferrari F50
    7:27,240 - Mercedes-AMG GT S
    7:29,109 - Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe* - Alex p.
    7:31,745 - Chevrolet Corvette Stingray C7
    7:35,494 - Shelby Cobra 427* - Alex p.
    7:40,272 - Lexus RC F* - Alex p.
    7:43,276 - Chevrolet Camaro SS* - Alex p.
    7:45,903 - Lexus LC500* - Alex p.

    *N400*
    7:24,165 - Ford GT40 Mark I
    7:30,131 - Ferrari GTO
    7:30,223 - Porsche 911 GT3 (997)
    7:34,391 - BMW M4
    7:35,133 - Dodge Viper GTS* - Alex p.
    7:39,016 - Audi R8 4.2 FSI R tronic
    7:40,178 - Porsche 911 GT3 (996)
    7:40,937 - TVR Tuscan Speed Six* - Alex p.
    7:43,117 - BMW Z8
    7:45,073 - Aston Martin V8 Vantage S
    7:45,214 - Maserati GranTurismo S* - Alex p.
    7:47,626 - BMW M3 Coupe (E92)* - Alex p.
    7:49,324 - Lamborghini Countach LP400* - Alex p.
    7:49,948 - Ford Mustang GT* - Alex p.
    7:51,930 - Ferrari 512BB* - Alex p.
    7:59,259 - Mercedes-Benz A 45 AMG* - Alex p.
    8:06,811 - Chevrolet Corvette Sting Ray Sport Coupe (C2)
    8:28,245 - Dodge Challenger R/T* - Alex p.

    *N300*
    7:28,490 - KTM X-Bow R
    7:45,686 - Toyota GR Supra RZ* - Alex p.
    7:53,002 - Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R34)* - Alex p.
    7:55,368 - Audi TTS Coupe* - Alex p.
    7:55,850 - De Tomaso Pantera* - Alex p.
    7:57,727 - Alpine A110
    7:58,107 - Toyota Supra RZ* - Alex p.
    7:58,111 - Honda NSX Type R
    7:58,128 - Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R33)* - Alex p.
    7:58,255 - Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Z33)* - Alex p.
    7:58,669 - Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R32)* - Alex p.
    7:59,776 - Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A* - Alex p.
    7:59,927 - Shelby G.T.350
    8:00,667 - Subaru WRX STI Type S* - Alex p.
    8;00,722 - Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track* - SjefGielen
    8:00,780 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X Final Edition* - zocker_16
    8:01,176 - Subaru Impreza 22B-STi
    8:04,847 - Honda Civic Type R (FK2)* - Alex p.
    8:06,346 - Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX TT 2seater
    8:11,892 - Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Convertible (C3)* - Alex p.
    8:14,338 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR* - Alex p.
    8:18,646 - Jaguar E-Type Coupe* - Alex p.
    8:19,729 - Toyota Supra 3.0GT Turbo A* - Alex p.
    8:29,060 - Ford Mustang Mach 1* - Alex p.

    *N200*
    7:59,634 - Alfa Romeo 4C* - Alex p.
    8:09,623 - Toyota MR2 GT-S
    8:10,296 - Ferrari Dino 246 GT
    8:23,376 - Honda Integra Type R (DC2)
    8:24,606 - BMW M3 Sport Evolution (E30)
    8:26,498 - Volkswagen Golf VII GTI
    8:30,685 - Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evoluzione* - Alex p.
    8:30,713 - Plymouth XNR Ghia Roadster* - Alex p.
    8:33,493 - Pontiac Firebird Trans Am* - Alex p.
    8:56,694 - Alfa Romeo MiTo 1.4T Sport* - SjefGielen
    8:59,688 - Peugeot RCZ GT Line* - SjefGielen
    9:03,332 - Mazda Atenza Sedan XD L Package* - SjefGielen

    *N100*
    8:52,349 - Mazda Roadster S (ND)
    8:58,815 - Alpine A110 1600S* - SjefGielen
    8:59,144 - Toyota S-FR* - SjefGielen
    9:01,661 - Abarth 500
    9:05,161 - Porsche 356 A/1500 GS GT Carrera Speedster* - Alex p.
    9:06,892 - Suzuki Swift Sport
    9:44,934 - Honda S660
    10:04,969 - Abarth 1500 Biposto Bertone B.A.T. 1* - SjefGielen
    10:06,727 - Honda Beat* - SjefGielen
    10:09,330 - Daihatsu Copen Active Top* - SjefGielen
    10:15,315 - Mini Cooper S* - SjefGielen
    12:24,743 - Volkswagen 1200* - SjefGielen
    13:26,576 - Volkswagen Typ 2 (T1)* - SjefGielen
    14:28,884 - Fiat 500F* - SjefGielen

    *Gr.X*
    6:43,398 - McLaren P1 GTR
    6:52,123 - Pagani Zonda R
    7:18,245 - Ferrari 330 P4* - OJT6627
    7:24,893 - Ford Mark IV Race Car* - OJT6627
    7:25,807 - Toyota FT-1* - Alex p.
    8:01,501 - Tesla Model S Signature Performance
    8:04,987 - Alfa Romeo Giulia TZ2 CN.AR750106
     
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  2. Lord Protector

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    Cornering speed of slow cars like N300 is too great with SS tires.
     
  3. ARTAsean

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    I agree you should use Sport Hards like @MidFieldMaven
     
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  4. TonyJZX

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    God, what a beast that 911 is. The times are fairly comparable with real world times with that new one getting a 6'57"?
     
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  5. RCKakashi14

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    Considering that the real life lap time of the 991.1 GT3 RS is at 7:20 whereas the 991.2 version clocked in at 6:56. The 911 is a total beast at N Class, only being outclassed by the likes of the LaFerrari and Veyron. What more if it was tuned? :sly:


    Just a suggestion: The OP should also mention what peripherals he's using (wheel or DS4) because that could also be a factor.



    ADDITIONAL NOTE: I am really happy that some are taking N Class cars seriously. Whenever I open N class lobbies, almost none of the players come in compared to race car lobbies. N class cars are unique in their own way, and that they truly test your skill.
     
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  6. Yassi_99

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    Didn't think of that beforehand but I will try to retest the cars with Sport Hard tires.

    I'm using my good old DS4.
     
  7. MidFieldMaven

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    Good to see others testing N-cars on other tracks. How many laps do you complete for each car? The reason why I don't test at the Ring is because if I have a perfect lap and ruin it at the last corner, I'd probably smash my TV lol the laps are too long. Do you save your best lap replays? Upload them to the server with a unique tag so I can check them out sometime.
     
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  8. Yassi_99

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    I run around 3 laps per car. Yes I saved every single replay but somehow it failed at the GT3 RS's. But nevermind I will change my testing procedure to Sport Hards anyway ;-)
     
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  9. OJT6627

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    And i thought my 7:20 lap with F1 was okay... and you here do it in under 7 minutes. Mad :eek:

    Ever tried LaFerrari?
     
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    Not yet but I will try it as soon as possible.
     
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    I will delete the times and start again with Sport Hard tires.
     
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    I finally managed to do a fast, clean lap :-)
     
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  13. OJT6627

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    I took stock F1 to Nordschleife with Sports Soft and did 7:06 lap, 20 seconds faster than my previous best attempt i had months ago (7:26). I guess i am a better driver now than i was before :lol:

    6:58 on Sports Hard on LaF? With no ill thoughts, but those times smell a bit fishy. Maybe you should link the replays or smth? Because i am very curious
     
  14. Yassi_99

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    You can see my lap on my profile in GT Sport.
    PSN: yassi_99
     
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    Surprised with the speed of the NSX. Felt much faster than other cars but its laptime is off by a lot (GT3 RS and F1 demolish it).
     
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    GT-R NISMO is really fast and easy to drive. Its only enemies are (light) understeer and poor brakes.
     
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    Gave the Abarth 500 a go again and abracadabra: I shoved almost 5 seconds off my previous time :-)
     
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    Stole the layout of MidFieldMaven as it looks much more structured. Also tested the MR2, which currently is my favorite handling beast in N200. Awesome cornering speed and almost no understeer. I like :-)

    And I just added our first N400 car: The Aston V8 Vantage S. Impressive car with lots of corner grip. Indeed very unexpected performance
     
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    Bella Macchina! I love the Huracán and its time is only 2 seconds off the OP GT3 RS but... I never got such a headache at testing a car. Well, the line between perfect balance and understeer is extremely small in this car. To get the best time, you really have to use the AWD to its fullest potential at the corner exit :-)
     
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  20. John G

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    Mind giving the McLaren 650S a go when you get a chance? I tried it before the handling update and the thing was sliding everywhere, would be really interested to see what you get
     
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    I sat down and I'm really surprised. The 650S felt really stiff during my first lap but afterwards, I kinda like the way the car behaves as it is really smooth and chilled. I would even say it is easier to drive at the limit than the GT-R NISMO or especially the NSX.
     
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    And another one... The Mazda Roadster S/MX-5 joins our roster and it managed to squeeze out a formidable sub-nine minutes lap. Wonderful machine for beginners as it lets the driver sink into a flow very easily.
     
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    Another Italian. This time the 458 tries its best but it is slightly slower than the Huracán. Very easy and controllable to both race and slide. Sound is top notch. Very good car even though I'm not the biggest Ferrari fan
     
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    Diablo GT is tested. Feels much softer and ,,older" than the modern competition but especially its really good traction and strong straight line speed make up for an impressive (and fast) experience.
     
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  25. Salty66

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    I understand there are a whole lot of variables involved when comparing game times to real life times but the Diablo is a good 40 seconds faster in game (It did a 8:04 IRL). Wonder if PD screwed up the performance data of the Diablo seeing how other cars did better. I know GT isn't the most realistic game out there but 40 seconds is quite a large margin.
     
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    Hmm, I wonder if it's because of tire choice. When the Diablo was created the "SH" equivalent isn't quite the same as current "SH" tires, since technology moved on and such

    I'm not quite sure what tires would be fitted for that car though. CS maybe? To get closer to the real life time?
     
  27. Yassi_99

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    Yeah, it must be the tires which improved between those years. Or it is really the inaccuracy of the Diablo's performance. If someone has one of these babies IRL, please consider taking it on the Nordschleife with modern semi-slicks :-)

    Jokes aside, many people said the Diablo itself was very hard to drive. Hard steering, rough gearbox... The game will never be able to simulate the car 100% but as Alpha Cipher said: 40secs is way too much
     
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    Update 1.28 is here so to celebrate this I decided to take the 997 GT3 out for a run. It really deserves the name as it can keep up with much more powerful cars like the 2017 NSX. One of my favorite vehicles right now :-)

    Another track toy: the good ol' NSX Type R. Well, Senna developed this beauty so the expectations were high. I was quite sure that it would beat the R34 but I was wrong. Still it feels amazing to drive and the handling really is outstanding. It needs more powaaaa though
     
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    Finally got the time to test the 996 GT3. Feels softer than the newer Porsches but much easier to drive. Perfect street car for beginners who intend to master RWD cars.

    I was curious how the Alfa Giulia TZ2 would perform with SH tires. It eats corners and even in a straight line it is not too shabby. 10 million credits? Worth it (especially for the sound around 5k rpm o_O)!
     
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    Hot hatch time! The Golf GTI is here and sets a great time for a FF vehicle. Totally brilliant brakes and very smooth handling with slight understeer. Also a very fast double clutch gearbox.

    Added the BMW M4. Definitely not easy to handle for new comers. It has a very small limit in which you can operate without heavy oversteer. Anything above it is getting punished.
     
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