Tesla Model S- P100D confirmed

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Wow, the wheels and tires weight over 60 pounds each? That's sort of ridiculous. They should lighten that.
 
Wow, the wheels and tires weight over 60 pounds each? That's sort of ridiculous. They should lighten that.
The tyres alone weight 25 lbs, which leaves 35 for the wheels. That seems pretty good for a 21 inch wheel on a luxury saloon. What are you expecting, a track car? Keep in mind that the forged aluminium 20 inch wheels fitted to the 458 Italia weigh 25 pounds apiece.

Anyway, I came in here to mention that these are now a relatively common sight on UK motorways. I've seen a few around recently so I'm assuming that they're selling pretty well. The company car pricing on them is excellent which could be helping to fuel sales, but you won't hear me complaining. They're still quite attractive things so it's nice to see a few about.
 
Well, considering you'd want to maximize efficiency, a big huge 21-inch wheel is kind of eh...
 
Well, considering you'd want to maximize efficiency, a big huge 21-inch wheel is kind of eh...
It's a £60-100k luxury saloon that weighs two tonnes and will do 0-60 in about 3 seconds in its top spec. Does that sound like efficiency or decadence?
 
Suprised this havent made news stands

http://news.allpar.com/index.php/2015/08/tesla-remotely-hacked-29578
After a pair of highly trained researchers spent a year finding an attack vector into a Jeep Cherokee, many said that a savvy company like Tesla could not be subjected to a similar attack.

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According to the Financial Times, security experts Kevin Mahaffey and Marc Rogers did just that, forcing a Tesla to shut down and turn on its handbrake. They demonstrated this capability at 5 mph when the effects would be minor, but serious injuries could be caused at, say, 75 mph.

The point was to show that a “technologically savvy” company could also have its products hacked, despite vaunted “firewalls” between telematics and operating systems.

Tesla said it would issue a patch by Thursday. Chrysler has issued a recall to distribute a patch, which is also available to owners on-line now
 
and the Update for CHrysler is available online, still no Dealership BS unless your not Tech savy.
So the whole thing with Chrysler is fine because obviously everyone has an OBD II connector and CAN compatible hardware and drivers with which they can reprogram their car. Right. :rolleyes:

Anyway, from a more balanced source:
http://www.wired.com/2015/08/researchers-hacked-model-s-teslas-already/

Some of the information in the allpar article is erroneous, namely the part about activating the handbrake at above 5 mph. Below 5 mph the handbrake comes on if the motors are stopped, but above 5 mph the handbrake is not activated and the driver retains control of both the brakes and steering.

The main security threat appears to be the browser and not the method used by the people who hacked it, especially since the hackers are working with Tesla to improve the security of the car. They also noted that although they could hack into it, they still felt that it was the most secure car they had tested.
 
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The Model 3 will be the car that will reach to most people.

Looks to be based as a Compact Executive (Midsize) Priced less then half of the Model S.

Problem is the batteries planned for the car are currently too expensive to make the car reach its build cost targets, but it's just a matter of time when it all clicks together.
 
@R1600Turbo tbh I don`t want my car to get updated over night. If I pay 50k€ for a Audi A4, I expect its OS to run out of the box without needing monthly updates. Navigation/Map updates over night are great though, thankfully Audi has cought up to Tesla regarding this.

@mustafur Tesla is already bleeding alot of money with the Model S; I can`t imagine Model 3 being similar priced to entry level 3 series or A4.
 
@R1600Turbo tbh I don`t want my car to get updated over night. If I pay 50k€ for a Audi A4, I expect its OS to run out of the box without needing monthly updates. Navigation/Map updates over night are great though, thankfully Audi has cought up to Tesla regarding this.
I don't see the issue. The only effort you have to put in is to hook the car up to your wifi connection. The rest is done over night when you are sleeping and you can get up and go to work in the morning like nothing ever happened. That's certainly better than buying a new car every year or two just for some minor updates.
 
Thats not what I meant - of course its great to get your cars OS updated daily.
(eventhough my expierences as a console gamer thought me, once you gave devs the option to patch a game after release, most videogames launch state gets worse and worse... battlefield 4 *cough*)


Its just no selling point for me, If I had the money to buy a new Audi/BMW/Merc or Tesla I expect my cars OS to work without any bugs and glitches and offer me every feature I purchased it with.
 
Its just no selling point for me, If I had the money to buy a new Audi/BMW/Merc or Tesla I expect my cars OS to work without any bugs and glitches and offer me every feature I purchased it with.
That's not how it works in the tech world.
 
Its just no selling point for me, If I had the money to buy a new Audi/BMW/Merc or Tesla I expect my cars OS to work without any bugs and glitches and offer me every feature I purchased it with.
It does offer every feature you purchased it with. Anything after that is a bonus, really. And if you are getting these updates for free, why complain? In Tesla's case, you wake up one morning and your car notifies you that a new patch has been installed and you have more power/torque and a longer range. You are telling me you wouldn't like that?
 
Thats not what I meant - of course its great to get your cars OS updated daily.
(eventhough my expierences as a console gamer thought me, once you gave devs the option to patch a game after release, most videogames launch state gets worse and worse... battlefield 4 *cough*)


Its just no selling point for me, If I had the money to buy a new Audi/BMW/Merc or Tesla I expect my cars OS to work without any bugs and glitches and offer me every feature I purchased it with.
If you're buying a product because you "think" it'll get more features than the car is advertised with sometime in the future, that's on you.

As for bug fixes, if you can't deal with those, I sure as hell hope haven't paid for the computer or mobile phone you're using. Don't those get dozens of bug fixes several times a year? In the case of windows, at least once a month.

In some cases, bugs are found in software that has been on the market and frequently used for nearly ten years. The nature of some bugs is such that being 100% sure the software is absolutely bug free is completely unrealistic. You'd basically be expecting windows XP to be bug tested for another 20 years from now before being even released. You'd be lucky if the internet had even been available to the general public today if we were to go with your demands.

This is how it is to live at the technological frontier. If you don't like it, start using exclusively 10-20 year old technology right away.

Put it this way, if no one could figure out how to make an airbag work 100% of the time, just merely 99% of the time, the system is bugged, right? Now you have a choice: Either you drop the system completely and 0% of drivers will be protected by airbags, or you use the "bugged" system and 99% of drivers will be protected. How many lives lives could have been saved by implemented the imperfect system 10 years earlier, rather than demanding rigorous testing and development until it is 100% effective?
 
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Its just no selling point for me, If I had the money to buy a new Audi/BMW/Merc or Tesla I expect my cars OS to work without any bugs and glitches and offer me every feature I purchased it with.
And the Tesla does, when you buy it. But they add more features and abilities over time, and a software update while you're sleeping is quite a bit better than having to wait half a model cycle for a whole updated car to come along.

And as @R1600Turbo says, you can wake up one morning and your car will actually be faster and more efficient than it was before, since Tesla's techs have figured out ways to use the drivetrain better.

I'm not sure where the downside to that is - unless Audi or BMW has a similar service in which they'll rock up to your house in the evening, remove your engine, fit new pistons, recalibrate the ECU and refit everything without waking you.

For free.
 
I think its something we're going to need to expect from not just Tesla, but everyone, pretty soon.

The bleeding edge of software is far out-pacing what is coming from the factory, and while the hardware still has plenty of room to improve (lookin' at you GM and Toyota), at the very least, smoother/smaller/better software can drastically improve a product. Its a shame that Ford will basically give up on Sync 1&2 once Sync 3 is released for 2016. The year-on-year updates for GM's various iterations of MyLink/Intelilink/ZeldaIsInAnotherCastleLink are a nice thing, but that means that your 2014 Sonic just won't have the same gusto that a 2016 would have.

As far as I can tell, aside from Tesla, the only brand to add a backwards compatible upgrade on their software has been Hyundai with the 2015 Sonata being eligible for an update to use Android Auto, like the 2016 models. The only caveat is that it (if I remember correctly) doesn't include an update to use Apple Car Play, but I'd assume that if it can be updated for Google's system, there's an eventual update for Apple. Maybe. The lawyers probably need to play nice.
 
That's not how it works in the tech world.

Really? Seems like Im working in the wrong buisness.

It does offer every feature you purchased it with. Anything after that is a bonus, really. And if you are getting these updates for free, why complain? In Tesla's case, you wake up one morning and your car notifies you that a new patch has been installed and you have more power/torque and a longer range. You are telling me you wouldn't like that?

I can understand that reasoning :cheers:
Tesla seems to do this very well and trustworthy, but I wouldn't trust other car makers to not abuse this system by producing cars whose OS (not just infotainment, but electric suspension settings etc) is not fully tested.

:sick:

And as @R1600Turbo says, you can wake up one morning and your car will actually be faster and more efficient than it was before, since Tesla's techs have figured out ways to use the drivetrain better.

I'm not sure where the downside to that is - unless Audi or BMW has a similar service in which they'll rock up to your house in the evening, remove your engine, fit new pistons, recalibrate the ECU and refit everything without waking you.

For free.

That's very biased. Its not like Tesla does this every week, I checked the Model S entire update log and Tesla did one major power/efficiency improvement so far, altough they also did minor energy management updates. Yet Features which got updated by Tesla over time have been in use for many years in german cars.

For example:
- Traffic aware cruise control: The W220 S Class got this feature in 1998 (Distronic). The W222 has already improved so much that it even steers by itself. Audis ACC works very well too, you can even get this system in a A3.

- Emergency braking: See above, I have already expierienced ACC saving my butt while being a Audi A8 (D4) passenger. ACC has been around for years.

- Blind spot warning: See above, a very common safety feature you can equip your car with

- Auto high beam: Audis Matrix LED seems better to me and has been around for years and even found its way to Audis smaller cars (A6, A4). + Audi tested this technology in Le Mans :)

- Forward collsion warnung: See above (Mercedes Pre Safe etc). The W213 E Class will be able to detect upcoming collisions, check the area around your car and then evade the upcoming object by itself (or do emergency brake)


That Tesla was able to update sich functions over time shows what a great, future proof car they built, kudos for them :cheers:
Yet you can hardly blame BMW/Audi for not doing similar stuff, when they already sell their cars with similar (and in many cases superior) features anyway.
 
That's very biased. Its not like Tesla does this every week, I checked the Model S entire update log and Tesla did one major power/efficiency improvement so far, altough they also did minor energy management updates.
They've made one major performance improvement, but since the Model S has been on sale they've made almost constant alterations and improvements to minor software functions.

That, and they've been able to fix problems using the updates too - problems that you'd have to take any other car at any other price to a dealer to fix.
Yet Features which got updated by Tesla over time have been in use for many years in german cars.

For example:
- Traffic aware cruise control: The W220 S Class got this feature in 1998 (Distronic). The W222 has already improved so much that it even steers by itself. Audis ACC works very well too, you can even get this system in a A3.

- Emergency braking: See above, I have already expierienced ACC saving my butt while being a Audi A8 (D4) passenger. ACC has been around for years.

- Blind spot warning: See above, a very common safety feature you can equip your car with

- Auto high beam: Audis Matrix LED seems better to me and has been around for years and even found its way to Audis smaller cars (A6, A4). + Audi tested this technology in Le Mans :)

- Forward collsion warnung: See above (Mercedes Pre Safe etc). The W213 E Class will be able to detect upcoming collisions, check the area around your car and then evade the upcoming object by itself (or do emergency brake)
There's no doubt that one of the less desirable aspects of the Model S so far is that it shipped without functions now expected on luxury vehicles.

However, it shouldn't be downplayed that it shipped as a highly capable vehicle in the first place, with much of the hardware for those functions present in the car.

It makes a lot more commercial sense for Tesla to sell a car first and install the necessary software later than it does to hold back an entire product line simply because the devs hadn't yet completed the code for active cruise control, for instance.

Ultimately, it's a "better late than never" situation - and because Tesla can update the car remotely, it's of little consequence to the owner when updates are made.
Yet you can hardly blame BMW/Audi for not doing similar stuff, when they already sell their cars with similar (and in many cases superior) features anyway.
Indeed they do, but it shouldn't be overlooked that when you pay a couple of grand for say, Mercedes 'COMAND' infotainment system, you're stuck with that system for your rest of your time with the car. As is the next owner, and the owner after that.

While Tesla can't exactly update hardware remotely - though they were fairly rapid physically refitting vehicles with improved skid plates after a few buyers ran over pieces of debris that punctured the batteries - pretty much any system connected to the electronics can be improved without the owner lifting a finger. That includes, but isn't limited to, the entire drivetrain, the air suspension, the 17" display, the steering...
 
However, it shouldn't be downplayed that it shipped as a highly capable vehicle in the first place, with much of the hardware for those functions present in the car.

It makes a lot more commercial sense for Tesla to sell a car first and install the necessary software later than it does to hold back an entire product line simply because the devs hadn't yet completed the code for active cruise control, for instance.

I applaud them for doing this - it just shows how well they set up the development of this car from day 1 on. Now thinking of it, I have to aggree with you guys: It would be a nice change if well established car companies like VW or Ford did the same, building cars "future proof" so many new features can be added over its life time. Its amazing that a newcomer like Tesla was able to this :cheers:

Maybe big car companies are at an disadvantage now, f.e. Mercedes needs to come up with many new refinements and innovations once they facelift their S Class in 2017, then again when they launch its successor.
 
Neat, but I can already see people accidentally hitting the wrong button on the key fob and the car parking itself towards the wrong way than intended.
 
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