The '13 driver transfer discussion/speculation thread op updated 16/10

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by F1 fan, May 10, 2012.

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  1. mastretta_mx

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    What would be the best scenario for Lotus, Grosjean and Maldonado; Grosjean and Perez or Perez and Maldonado? I'd rather Perez and Grosjean
     
  2. Akmuq

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    McLaren would be fools if they gave Magnussen a drive over Hulkenberg.

    And unfortunately Maldonado will get a Lotus seat because of money. Grosjean and Perez would be a killer pairing but Pastor brings big money to the table...
     
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    If confirmed, I'm happy to see Heikki return temporarily. What i like about him is that he hates being a pay driver. Best luck to him for the last 2!
     
  5. SagarisGTB

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    You'll have to take my word for it. Three races is a very small sample size and the two races in which Raikkonen finished ahead were two of his best races that year. However, even in both France and Hungary, he didn't show particularly better race pace than Coulthard. In both races, Kimi was a couple places ahead after the first corner and on both occasions David closed up to be close to Kimi after the second stop, though he later dropped back (drive through penalty in France, an off in Hungary).
     
  6. Imari

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    Depending on how much more money Maldonado brings, I could almost see Grosjean and Maldonado being a good call. I don't think Perez is that much faster than Maldonado, I just think Maldonado is aggressive and tends to throw it away. Sort of like Grosjean used to, and Perez at the start of the year/end of last year. I think with a good engineer to tell him when to pull his head in and a good car, he could be as good as anyone else. When he's on form he's pretty bloody good.
     
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    Kevin's got the drive at McLaren: Link
     
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    Men, this week's news have surprise me a little if not alot. I suppose Davide who'll took over Kimi seat for the remaining race but Heikki gets it. I don't mind that but I want to see what Davide can do on a F1 car. Oh well, it's still fine. What I can't comprehend are le Mclaren affair. Kick Checo out and throw in another rookie? Imo, the mexican deserve another year at least for giving him a :censored:box. Sigh. I wish them good luck next year and hope Kevin can prove me wrong. :rolleyes:

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    Hülkenberg makes the most sense, if they're looking for the fastest driver. He's shown flashes of brilliance in several mediocre cars, which is the earmark of a truly fast driver.

    Maldonado can be very quick on occasion, but he's a madman. Him deliberately causing a crash in Monaco practice last year should have brought him a multiple race ban, if you ask me. If Lotus really need the cash, they will take him nevertheless.

    Before this season I thought Perez could be great, but the fact that he has neither outclassed Button in qualifying nor race means that he doesn't quite seem to have what it takes for the true elite. I think that McLaren also view next year as an interim season until the arrival of Honda, in which they want to use the time to find out if Magnussen is the next Hamilton. If he turns out to be just that, Button could be out of a job in 2015, if they manage to steer Alonso to Woking. Keeping Perez when they think they know he hasn't got the potential, would have been a lost opportunity.
     
  12. AnAL0G

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    What stood out for me most about Perez last season was his consistency. He kept his head and that was his advantage in many of his strong finishes. He showed some great racecraft, but he never really stood out to me as a particularly fast driver.
     
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    Formula 1 needs more GP2 drivers. If it is just for the sheer amount of do or die actions in that Championship.
     
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  14. Tired Tyres

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    Yes because 2012 vintage Calamity Jane Grojean times four or five would be good for F1 :crazy:

    Two engines in two years is making me think that Button should have jumped ship and gone to Porsche/Audi/Toyota in the WEC like Webber.
     
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    It's funny.. a Danish guy told me @ the race camp that Kevin would have a seat next year at F1 for sure. Didn't really believe him. :p I guess he was right. :tup:
     
  16. SilverArrow

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    Kevin and Jenson seem to have matching helmets...
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  17. zippy_the_cat

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    Brutal comments from Sam Michael to Sky Sports explaining why McLaren didn't go for Hulkenberg. Basically, their view is that Nico's already missed the bus, career-wise:

     
  18. Ardius

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    I seem to have missed the brutal comments. He actually praises Hulk there and goes on to say they were really looking for either a WDC or someone they think they can groom into one.

    Hulk doesn't fit either of those, he's older and experienced, but not a WDC yet. Sam doesn't say Hulk will never be a WDC - he simply says they are looking for drivers above and below where Hulk is currently at.

    I don't agree with their decision to overlook Hulk, but he's hardly said anything "brutal" there.
     
  19. zippy_the_cat

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    The key part of that sentence being "someone they think they can groom into one." I should think Hulk would be a lot closer to that level than Magnussen. But there were some mutterings earlier in the season that at least a few teams at the sharp end of the grid don't really rate Hulk. Clearly McLaren is one, the obligatory initial praise in Michael's comments notwithstanding. His broader point was that a driver in his late 20s is a finished product, without upside.

    Edit: For the record, I think McLaren in choosing Magnussen made a defensible decision, similar to the one Red Bull made in taking a young and inexpensive Ricciardo over an aging and costly Kimi. The team to date that's made a bad decision was Ferrari in taking Kimi versus an in-his-prime Hulk. Lotus is set to join Ferrari on the naughty step if they opt for Maldonado over Hulk.
     
  20. Ardius

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    I don't read it as an insult towards Hulk, more a poorly worded (or intentionally worded by the reporter/editor) explanation of why they chose Magnussen. Sam seemed to be avoiding talking specificlaly about Hulk there, but then its always hard to judge when we're relying on a reporter picking bits to print.
     
  21. LMSCorvetteGT2

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    If what he said is exact and the context/tone are right. My issue is they talk about having Jenson a WDC already, but when you look at when he finally got it, to say or suggest that Hulk missed the bus... Button should've ended much earlier than 2009 WDC title by those standards. I think Hulk can and may be a future WDC if people quit playing games and acting desperate for money as well.

    I'd rather that too or Hulkenburg, but I think Hulk would do good to go back to FI. Here is the issue though I only see two spots and three drivers, so I don't think we'll see one of these drivers on the grid next year.
     
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    "Grooming" is what happened to Massa for most of his career. No WDC for him.
    Grooming will keep the natural drive out of the driver.....
     
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    In the words of Lana Kane:
    "Noooooooooooooooooooooooope."
     
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    Hulk already announced he definitely wasn't going to Lotus before this even came out. He'd already sat down with them and they didn't guarantee him anything for next year.
     
  29. LMSCorvetteGT2

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    Where is this gif from by the way?

    Now Lotus don't have to worry at all about paying their drivers. And for a guy that just slammed his past team by say "I put in more than they did", why he'd sign up with a team that is just as bad management wise and technical side after this year it would see, is silly.
     
  30. zippy_the_cat

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    Then how do you interpret this from Whitmarsh?

    Edit: Sky Sports is reporting more from Whitmarsh. Same quote as above, also the tidbit that they'd failed in their endeavors to place Magnussen with a team lower down the grid. Interesting, that.
     
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