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The ILX is almost 10 years old though, so my bet is that it won't be a facelift but something based on the new Civic.
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The Acura Integra is coming back in 2022!
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Honda UK/EU is going for a one size fits all approach towards the enthusiast market with the Civic Type R. The only way the Integra is coming here is if there is a hybrid variant.
If this does happen, this would cause greater outrage on the internet than re-introducing the Integra as a crossover
I imagine this will be the successor for the ILX since it is (long overdue) for an all-new replacement, could even be a Mercedes-Benz CLA-rivalling 4-door coupe.
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Probably no Integra for UK/EU. But it could be worse.
Honda's sales in the European market are extremely low. They have sold the Swindon factory and at the end of this year they will say goodbye to Russian market. I would not be surprised if they do the same in Europe and the UK in the near future.
In 2020 they sold only 80,700 cars. To realize the few units that are Mitsubishi sold 103,400 and Mazda 149,400. Lexus, which is a premium brand and has it very difficult to compete in EU with Audi/BMW/Mercedes managed to sell 47,000 units.
They global competitors Hyundai/Kia sold 841,500 Toyota 648,200 and Nissan 290,300.
As an owner of an Accord CL7 2.4 I can only say good things about Honda.
But in Europe I see a very uncertain future with such low sales and a very limited network of dealers and workshops.
The price of their cars doesn't help either. I don't know in other markets, but in Spain that is where I live, the cheapest Honda is the Jazz Comfort that starts at 20,750€ and can go up to 26,550€ in the Crosstar version. You can buy a Corolla GR-Sport from 26,450€.
Sorry for the off-topic.
Honda's sales in the European market are extremely low. They have sold the Swindon factory and at the end of this year they will say goodbye to Russian market. I would not be surprised if they do the same in Europe and the UK in the near future.
In 2020 they sold only 80,700 cars. To realize the few units that are Mitsubishi sold 103,400 and Mazda 149,400. Lexus, which is a premium brand and has it very difficult to compete in EU with Audi/BMW/Mercedes managed to sell 47,000 units.
They global competitors Hyundai/Kia sold 841,500 Toyota 648,200 and Nissan 290,300.
As an owner of an Accord CL7 2.4 I can only say good things about Honda.
But in Europe I see a very uncertain future with such low sales and a very limited network of dealers and workshops.
The price of their cars doesn't help either. I don't know in other markets, but in Spain that is where I live, the cheapest Honda is the Jazz Comfort that starts at 20,750€ and can go up to 26,550€ in the Crosstar version. You can buy a Corolla GR-Sport from 26,450€.
Sorry for the off-topic.
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The pessimist in me went straight to “EV crossover” but this image gives me real hope.
Those dots look proper cool. My guess is a 4WD hybrid system, with the VTEC driving the front wheels and electric motors in the back. Price and performance wise i’d expect Mustang / Supra / Z territory. I don’t think there’s any money to be made competing with the 86 in the lower market.
As for the golden question, I’m gonna guess US only. Although I really hope I’m wrong. Regardless, exciting times for car enthusiasts
Those dots look proper cool. My guess is a 4WD hybrid system, with the VTEC driving the front wheels and electric motors in the back. Price and performance wise i’d expect Mustang / Supra / Z territory. I don’t think there’s any money to be made competing with the 86 in the lower market.
As for the golden question, I’m gonna guess US only. Although I really hope I’m wrong. Regardless, exciting times for car enthusiasts
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I read somewhere that it is going to be the replacement for ILX with the styling inspired from TLX. Let me see if I can find it again.
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absolutely depressing thread for honda people not in china or the us, the only two markets that matter to honda
i doubt this will be coming here, the market for low cost sport coupes is effectively zero here, toyota and subaru are only relevant in coupes because they have it sewn up and even then, people baulk at $40k for an 86.
its amazing to hear the downward spiral of honda although i feel that 80,000 cars spread thru 27 nations (26?) and half a billion should still be viable?
2,000 cars among 150 mil people definitely is not!
where did it all go wrong? i mean where i would people still cling to their hondas
there's at least two Crvs, granted at least 10yrs old, an accord v6 and a pair of accord euros
the old JDM import craze you couldnt miss all the goddamn integras civics s2000s ek9s etc. and yet they all gone
i would never buy a fwd coupe but if honda could manage to sell an integra for $40k they would shift some... theres enough jdm folk here...
i doubt this will be coming here, the market for low cost sport coupes is effectively zero here, toyota and subaru are only relevant in coupes because they have it sewn up and even then, people baulk at $40k for an 86.
its amazing to hear the downward spiral of honda although i feel that 80,000 cars spread thru 27 nations (26?) and half a billion should still be viable?
2,000 cars among 150 mil people definitely is not!
where did it all go wrong? i mean where i would people still cling to their hondas
there's at least two Crvs, granted at least 10yrs old, an accord v6 and a pair of accord euros
the old JDM import craze you couldnt miss all the goddamn integras civics s2000s ek9s etc. and yet they all gone
i would never buy a fwd coupe but if honda could manage to sell an integra for $40k they would shift some... theres enough jdm folk here...
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As I said, I don’t think there’s any way to make money in the 86 segment, and I highly doubt Honda could significantly undercut it with a decent car wearing bespoke clothing. Even if they could, there is a plethora of warm FWD hatches it would walk straight into competition with.
That means going upwards. The Hybrid thing suits their ideology and makes it a fair & unique proposition with the competitors listed.
Agreed. Also similar proportions to any number of popular mid level sports cars.
I’m no expert, and I likely will be wrong, but I hope this is more than just a prettier Civic coupe.
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I hate to rain on everyone's parade but I highly, highly doubt that the new Integra is going to be this legendary 90s-inspired performance coupe that us car enthusiasts are hoping it will be. I'm definitely not implying that it's going to be an awful or ugly car either, nor will it go down the route of the Eclipse Cross, but I do think many of us are setting us up for disappointment when the Integra is eventually unveiled.
First of all, in the US, the majority of 1986-2001 Integras that were built were non-GSR/Type-R sedans. Especially considering that it seems the upcoming Integrea will be touted as an ILX successor (a car that was sedan-only), I'll bet money that the new Integra will be sedan-only and not offer any coupe variant. Unfortunately, we're much past 1995. FWD sporty coupes have sold quite poorly since the late 1990s/early 2000s; now that the Civic coupe was discontinued last year and the Veloster will be pulled from the US market within a year, there will be no more FWD coupes available in the US, for the simple reason that they don't sell nearly well enough to justify their existence.
I do think that the new Integra, despite many car enthusiasts will probably claim that it's underwhelming and doesn't deserve the Integra name, will be a generally respectable vehicle. Yes, it will be sedan-only and feature Acura's corporate "beak" fascia rather than a 90s-inspired design, but I predict it will be a reasonably priced (from the mid 20k to 30k range) good-looking Civic-based sedan with a decent performance variant (probably between 250 to 300hp). The performance version could potentially have AWD, and if so, will be a WRX competitor (if it is FWD, its main rivals would be the new Elantra N or Jetta GLI). Whether we want to admit it or not, this formula will be much more cost-effective and sell more than a 90s-inspired, bare-bones coupe-only Integra like we've seen in the renderings/fake "spy photos".
At the end of the day, I think we can give Acura more credit than we've been giving it lately. Despite its poor sales and decline in relevance over the last decade, the brand is doing what it can to keep people interested. Aside from a new Integra coming, the new TLX is quite good looking (and even has a true-blue performance spec), and so is the current MDX and RDX. For the US market at least, Acura is holding on to the NSX and seems to be readying up a special edition or two. There is no sign that Acura will be the next brand to become SUV/CUV-only nor will they be shying away from sporty and interesting vehicles. For that, I give them kudos. As the adage says, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
First of all, in the US, the majority of 1986-2001 Integras that were built were non-GSR/Type-R sedans. Especially considering that it seems the upcoming Integrea will be touted as an ILX successor (a car that was sedan-only), I'll bet money that the new Integra will be sedan-only and not offer any coupe variant. Unfortunately, we're much past 1995. FWD sporty coupes have sold quite poorly since the late 1990s/early 2000s; now that the Civic coupe was discontinued last year and the Veloster will be pulled from the US market within a year, there will be no more FWD coupes available in the US, for the simple reason that they don't sell nearly well enough to justify their existence.
I do think that the new Integra, despite many car enthusiasts will probably claim that it's underwhelming and doesn't deserve the Integra name, will be a generally respectable vehicle. Yes, it will be sedan-only and feature Acura's corporate "beak" fascia rather than a 90s-inspired design, but I predict it will be a reasonably priced (from the mid 20k to 30k range) good-looking Civic-based sedan with a decent performance variant (probably between 250 to 300hp). The performance version could potentially have AWD, and if so, will be a WRX competitor (if it is FWD, its main rivals would be the new Elantra N or Jetta GLI). Whether we want to admit it or not, this formula will be much more cost-effective and sell more than a 90s-inspired, bare-bones coupe-only Integra like we've seen in the renderings/fake "spy photos".
At the end of the day, I think we can give Acura more credit than we've been giving it lately. Despite its poor sales and decline in relevance over the last decade, the brand is doing what it can to keep people interested. Aside from a new Integra coming, the new TLX is quite good looking (and even has a true-blue performance spec), and so is the current MDX and RDX. For the US market at least, Acura is holding on to the NSX and seems to be readying up a special edition or two. There is no sign that Acura will be the next brand to become SUV/CUV-only nor will they be shying away from sporty and interesting vehicles. For that, I give them kudos. As the adage says, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
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Except that Jon Ikeda(VP of Acura)said that Integra is not a direct ILX replacement. Perhaps it's a pure PR speak, or the ILX will survive for a couple more years as a placeholder. But it is possible that Honda killed the Civic coupe to make room for the upcoming Integra.
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My guess is that it is indeed mostly PR speak. I think even Acura knows that the ILX was a rather underwhelming and humdrum car, based on its generally poor sales and lack of enthusiasm for it. The new Integra will probably follow the same formula as the ILX (moderately-priced FWD compact sedan), but will feature more modern amenities and a sportier design overall, as well as a performance spec.
Honda killed the Civic coupe for the simple reason that no one really bought them. At least in the case for the last two generations. Unlike the 1990s and early 00s, where Civic coupe sales were generally on par with its sedan counterpart.
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The ILX actually outsold the A3 and on par with CLA all year, sales wise for a decade old car it's actually doing great and those are pure profit for Honda America since all the R/D costs have already been paid off many years ago.
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Not sure which numbers you are referencing, but in the US market at least, ILX sales have always lagged behind the A3 and CLA, and those cars had a starting price about $6k higher than the ILX ($26,000 compared to $31,700 and $32,500 respectively). The ILX had its best sales year its debut year (2013), selling 20k units, and from there, sales have steadily declined to about 11k, except for a slight increase in 2019. The CLA, which debuted in 2014, sold 30k units that year, and on average, CLA sales were 20k-30k from 2014-2019. The A3 sold even better, selling 36k units its debut year (2015), and sold into the 20k-30k range in the years following.
I'm sorry to say, but especially considering its price advantage towards its competitors, the ILX never sold particularly well.
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I honest to god didn't know that the ilx existed until now.
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I can see these prices going up Used Honda Integras for sale in Australia
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Infiniti is still selling Q60 coupes. There is plenty of argument to be made for Acura entering that market, especially considering the new TLX is a pretty solid car and many people are going to prefer that to the Q50 sedan for the first time in a long time. Anybody who assumed this new Integra will be some sort of accessible sporty car is being delusional. The only purpose that makes sense is as a luxury sports coupe.
@RandomCarGuy17 I saw an ILX on the road just the other day and thought, "Wow, somebody actually bought one of those?"
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heh. Yeah, I can't think of anything substantial about these.
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and I had another thought.
Wait, so is the ILX basically an upscaled Civic Sedan? If it is, then I probably can see some sense in the Integra being a replacement for the ILX. I mean, the DC2 Integra at least was on a Civic platform IIRC and did come in a 4-door variant. There was even a Type R 4-door in Japan.
So, I can kinda Believe a ILX based Integra and it could probably be not too bad if Acura does it right. But of course that's the issue, will they? Well, I don't know. I see they're trying to put fun back into their lineup again with these new Type S variants, but I don't know if it's enough. Hmmm...
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It could be...but it didn't look like it. It looked like a sports coupe. Plus, Acura would be risking a storied nameplate on a market segment which has zero prestige about it, is slow-selling, and garners little attention. Probably the Audi RS3 is the only thing really gathering attention in the segment. On the other hand, luxury sports coupes can act as flagship models, and having a lovely Integra coupe as sort of a flagship for the brand seems like a good marketing strategy to me. The people who grew up loving the Integra back in the day are all in their 30s and 40s and plenty of them can now afford to spent $35-$50k on a car like that. I for one would much rather have an Integra sports coupe based on the TLX than a comparable Q60, 4-series, or A5.
Edit: And perhaps because Acura is an entry-level luxury brand and Honda doesn't seem interested in sports cars at all, maybe the Integra will be lined up against cars like the 400Z?
Edit: And perhaps because Acura is an entry-level luxury brand and Honda doesn't seem interested in sports cars at all, maybe the Integra will be lined up against cars like the 400Z?
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That's also true, it looked more like a coupe with that silhouette. Which would be nice, I prefer the Integra to come back as a coupe.
That's also the thing, I don't see the point in reviving a nameplate that will more likely be recognized by enthusiasts and not using the nameplate on a body-type that enthusiasts know it more as. While the Integra had 4-door variants, it was more known for being a fun sporty coupe to drive around with. A 4-door would appeal probably more to non-car people, but if that was Acura's goal; then the Integra name being used again won't matter.
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If they were making more of a luxury coupe, it would make much more sense for them to bring back the Prelude name instead imo.
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Except the Prelude was never luxury.
The Q60 is RWD and not budget priced, I was referring to FWD "sporty" coupes, once a big hit in the US, and now almost completely nonexistent new. Though, the Q60 seems to have sold a bit better than I would have imagined, after looking at sales numbers.
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Neither was the Integra, and the Prelude was the sort of larger coupe in the Honda lineup.
I was talking about Keef saying they would make a luxury sports coupe, and the Prelude name would fit a little better than Integra.
It should probably be called the Legend, I suppose.
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I think you're really getting them mixed up now lol.
North America is Acura's biggest market and they've got several car names that people remember, in particular people who now have enough money to buy Acuras. Integra, Legend, TL, the Honda Prelude, etc. But none of these really fit Acura's scheme anymore.
Besides being a Honda, the Prelude name never really captured peoples hearts and minds - it existed, it was an option, and it was a good car, but it was never particularly exciting or interesting. The main reason Honda guys like myself ever wanted a Prelude was because the H-series engines were mysterious and because Preludes tended to be nicer and rarer cars than our clapped out Civics and Integras. But years later we realize that Preludes were never all that - they were never the sports options, they never had a Type R, and they never went racing in any meaningful way. Cross "Prelude" off the list.
The Legend wasn't even remotely sporty. It was a massive barge of a car, imagine like a Mercedes CL or some sort of LS400 coupe. If Acura were to bring back the Legend name it would absolutely be their flagship luxury sedan or coupe rather than something sporty and exciting. There's an argument to be made for that but I personally think Acura has years more work to do before they'll recapture the cachet they had back in the 90s. Infiniti of all companies is still above them and almost exclusively because the VQ engine works well and sounds sporty. The NSX wasn't the "it" think that could catapult Acura back into the spotlight - the TLX is the car that could possibly lift Acura to a point where reviving the Legend nameplate makes sense.
But the Integra hits the sweet spot. This car will be marketed to people like me and a decade or two older than me, people who distinctly remember Integras, distinctly remember the car being truly premium to the Civic, with its B18 engines, JDM fascias, and the king of Type Rs. It wasn't simply a fancied up Civic either, it was actually a different car with enough similarities to be familiar while being better in every way. The RSX continued that trend of simply being better than the Civic at everything sporty. Sure, I owned an EM1 back in the day but what I really wanted was an Integra GS-R. I've driven an FG2 Si and it was fine but what I really wanted was a DC5, even though it was older. To this day I won't touch any of these Civic Sis but I'd take an RSX Type S in a heartbeat. The Integra was just a better car and we all wanted it, which is why Type Rs are selling for $50k right now.
That's why the Integra name makes sense. It's a better car than a Honda, it always was, and it should be this time. It should have better dynamics, a better engine, a better experience, and frankly should hit a price point that people in my age bracket can actually afford these days, and offer the goodies we expect at that price point. And I don't even care if the car isn't a FWD little toy thing (those renders are amazing) but honestly it probably shouldn't be. The Integra name means more than to the people who love it and frankly if this thing became a direct competitor to the 400Z I would be all about it.
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