The Damage Thread - Best Buy Demo, Now Thats More Like It!

[Devedander]

Sorry for feeding the troll, but I just can't hold myself.


Yeah, you took a minor sample and "generalized it". This way I could say that everybody here just bitches and moans about GT5 being really bad game. I'd just have to take one of your posts and extrapolate...

I don't think it's a minor sample... I can hardly recall a thread with anything even remotely possibly negative about GT5 where someone didn't come along and say "I can't believe you are whining about a game that isn't even out yet!". But I see constant threads where everything from stuff that was announced but not confirmed to just pie in the sky "This would be cool so I am sure it will be in GT and that's why GT will rox my soxors!" but not much comment about "Stop working up features in a game that hasn't even been released yet".

If you actually look at what I said, it wasn't that most people on here say that, but that almost every thread with something even a little negative gets visited by one of those who do.

Reading comprehension > You.

 

[Tenacious D]

I'm not ever sure if GT 5 would be online of not for Forza.

Yeah... a game on a console designed with online features in mind? Sure, whatever.

 

[Jay]

Or even better yet, maybe we should not make obviously pointless leaps from one end of the spectrum to the other and instead look at the logical middle ground:

If you are going to complain about comments simply because the game is not released yet, then you should do it fairly and for whatever type of comment.

It's not hard to understand.

How about just let people say what they wish (within AUP) and not have you or anyone else try and dictate what people should say, no one says you can't speak your mind (mostly criticism).

You are a fan of Forza, do you go to their forums and post like this?

 

[killanite]

Reading comprehension > You.

Thanks for confirming that you're a troll

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

Well, you can say this, but I disagree. Kazunori has said in numerous interviews since 1997 that he's had all sorts of wishes to put many aspects from real life motorsports into GT5 but the Playstation hardware held him back. With the PS3, this is largely dealt with.

I don't buy the claim that the PS2 hardware was incapable of providing a decent simulation plus damage. The key is balancing each of those aspects out to make a well rounded experience, not just focusing on making a single one perfect while ignoring the other elements. I mean, Gran Turismo 1 was groundbreaking when it came out, but it wasn't very accurate in the simulation. That didn't stop Yamauchi from releasing the game, now did it? Why, then, did he have to wait for PS3 to start working on damage?

I remember reading an interview years ago (I think it was shortly before the release of GT3) where he was asked, with the power of the PS2, if he'd finally add full damage (as a follow up to GT2's mechanical damage). He said something to the effect of "Not interested", because "cars are like art, and I don't like to see them getting damaged". Then again, in other interviews he chalked it up to the manufacturers not allowing damage in their cars, so I don't know...

All I know is that a couple of years later suddenly all those restrictions are gone, and Yamauchi wants an all-encompassing simulation, and the manufacturers let them damage their cars, and the collision modeling is gonna be perfect...coinciding with the appearance of Forza 1-2...

 

[Devedander]

How about just let people say what they wish (within AUP) and not have you or anyone else try and dictate what people should say, no one says you can't speak your mind (mostly criticism).

You are a fan of Forza, do you go to their forums and post like this?

Funny, usually I am the one being told I shouldn't be saying what I am saying... actually plenty of people tell me I can't (or at least shouldn't) voice my criticism. The irony is that is exactly what I as posting about... that when someone voices a negative view, they are fairly regularly told not to since the game hasn't come out yet.

And you are imposing your expectations on me... I am not a fan of Forza perse... I am hardly even paying attention the F3 release, go check the forza forums, no I don't post there, I don't think I have posted there in years...

I am a game fan, I am a racing game fan, I am a fan of good qulaity racing games. And as such you can find me voicing my opinion about any given racing game at any given time. It just so happens I am here now.

Thanks for confirming that you're a troll

Thanks for confirming that you are more interested in insulting and bellitling people than actually giving what they say respect.

See Jay? Say something negative, you get jumped on, defend your position and you are a troll... if more is better than a double standard must be good right?

 

[Jay]

And you are imposing your expectations on me... I am not a fan of Forza perse... I am hardly even paying attention the F3 release, go check the forza forums, no I don't post there, I don't think I have posted there in years...

I must have mistaken you for someone else, nevermind

Just curious though, why arn't you hardly paying attention to FM3?

Thanks for confirming that you are more interested in insulting and bellitling people than actually giving what they say respect.

See Jay? Say something negative, you get jumped on, defend your position and you are a troll... if more is better than a double standard must be good right?

Well I guess I can't talk for everyone, I would never call you a troll but even I have had it implied towards me (being a troll and called a fanboy) in the FM3 thread a while ago when I was pointing out something odd in a drifting video.

 

[Devedander]

I must have mistaken you for someone else, nevermind

Just curious though, why arn't you hardly paying attention to FM3?

I have been waiting a long time for GT5... I have some very high expectations... so that's where my attention is right now.

Some major contributing factors are that I really like force feedback but the options on the 360 are MS wheel (weak and no good shifter) and Fanatec (expensive) - I already have a GFP which is decent. To get GT5 I will have to buy a PS3 so it's a big decision for me if I will or won't.

I already have a 360 so getting FM3 is no biggie for me and so I am not as concered/interested in it as there is less on the line for me there.

Well I guess I can't talk for everyone, I would never call you a troll but even I have had it implied towards me (being a troll and called a fanboy) in the FM3 thread a while ago when I was pointing out something odd in a drifting video.

It's funny, look around you will see a pattern:

If you are going to say anything negative about GT5, you will get shunned, told to stop whining and have "it's not even out yet so how are you going to judge it" shoved down your throat.

Say something positive, no matter how unlikely or improbable and you will get people all excitied and happy to keep talking about it.

Say something that's even remotely compares GT5 to something else in a negative light and you will be called a fanboy and asked why you don't just go to some other games forum and post there. Then someone will say "I thought this was a GT5 forum/thread?"

Say something that compares GT5 to the competition in a positive light and a huge slam fest on whatever that game may be and people will cheer how awesome GT5 is.

GT5 fanboys will be the first and most adament to call out fanboys of other games (legit or not).

If you stand your ground about something that isn't pro GT5, you are a troll.

Those should be stickied as the commandments of GTPlanet

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

Can you stick in there to hold Saturday holy as a day of fasting (i.e., going fast in GT)?

 

[scandisk]

I have been waiting a long time for GT5... I have some very high expectations... so that's where my attention is right now.

Some major contributing factors are that I really like force feedback but the options on the 360 are MS wheel (weak and no good shifter) and Fanatec (expensive) - I already have a GFP which is decent. To get GT5 I will have to buy a PS3 so it's a big decision for me if I will or won't.

I already have a 360 so getting FM3 is no biggie for me and so I am not as concered/interested in it as there is less on the line for me there.



It's funny, look around you will see a pattern:

If you are going to say anything negative about GT5, you will get shunned, told to stop whining and have "it's not even out yet so how are you going to judge it" shoved down your throat.

Say something positive, no matter how unlikely or improbable and you will get people all excitied and happy to keep talking about it.

Say something that's even remotely compares GT5 to something else in a negative light and you will be called a fanboy and asked why you don't just go to some other games forum and post there. Then someone will say "I thought this was a GT5 forum/thread?"

Say something that compares GT5 to the competition in a positive light and a huge slam fest on whatever that game may be and people will cheer how awesome GT5 is.

GT5 fanboys will be the first and most adament to call out fanboys of other games (legit or not).

If you stand your ground about something that isn't pro GT5, you are a troll.

Those should be stickied as the commandments of GTPlanet

Your exxagerating a bit AFAIK not everyone here is jumping on you. And if you look around a bit not everyone here is as brain dead as the people you're referring to.

 

[Simple SIM]

I have been waiting a long time for GT5... I have some very high expectations... so that's where my attention is right now.

Some major contributing factors are that I really like force feedback but the options on the 360 are MS wheel (weak and no good shifter) and Fanatec (expensive) - I already have a GFP which is decent. To get GT5 I will have to buy a PS3 so it's a big decision for me if I will or won't.

I already have a 360 so getting FM3 is no biggie for me and so I am not as concered/interested in it as there is less on the line for me there.



It's funny, look around you will see a pattern:

If you are going to say anything negative about GT5, you will get shunned, told to stop whining and have "it's not even out yet so how are you going to judge it" shoved down your throat.

Say something positive, no matter how unlikely or improbable and you will get people all excitied and happy to keep talking about it.

Say something that's even remotely compares GT5 to something else in a negative light and you will be called a fanboy and asked why you don't just go to some other games forum and post there. Then someone will say "I thought this was a GT5 forum/thread?"

Say something that compares GT5 to the competition in a positive light and a huge slam fest on whatever that game may be and people will cheer how awesome GT5 is.

GT5 fanboys will be the first and most adament to call out fanboys of other games (legit or not).

If you stand your ground about something that isn't pro GT5, you are a troll.

Those should be stickied as the commandments of GTPlanet

Very True

There are fans of racing games like you and I who will be getting GT 5, Forza 3, SHIFT ( I won't be getting DiRT 2 because I hate the handling ) and then there are fans of GT and ONLY GT. They don't know about other racing games and they don't wanna know.

Any time you bring up any other racing game in a positive light you can feel their anger just under their words, it's sort of surreal. Some of the people here think that GT just towers over the competition to the point where it has no competition. Ofcourse this is ridiculous but it's the view of many people who don't play other racing games so they just don't know.

I hate to break it to the "GT, GT and nothing but GT" crowd but there are many people who are fans of the GT series and just because they aren't complete fanatics about it doesn't make them any less of a GT fan.

 

[Smoke&Slide]

I got 6 GT games from PD, that aint all my racing games ha ha.Call me a fanboy or something else if you want doesn't bother me one bit .

 

[MonkeySkater]

I'm not ever sure if GT 5 would be online of not for Forza.

Haha!

I nearly choked on my Cornflakes then.. Aww man comedy genius!

Keep it up 👍

I don't think it's a minor sample... I can hardly recall a thread with anything even remotely possibly negative about GT5 where someone didn't come along and say "I can't believe you are whining about a game that isn't even out yet!".

Stop whining.

 

[Tenacious D]

I remember reading an interview years ago (I think it was shortly before the release of GT3) where he was asked, with the power of the PS2, if he'd finally add full damage (as a follow up to GT2's mechanical damage). He said something to the effect of "Not interested", because "cars are like art, and I don't like to see them getting damaged". Then again, in other interviews he chalked it up to the manufacturers not allowing damage in their cars, so I don't know...

All I know is that a couple of years later suddenly all those restrictions are gone, and Yamauchi wants an all-encompassing simulation, and the manufacturers let them damage their cars, and the collision modeling is gonna be perfect...coinciding with the appearance of Forza 1-2...

Yes, I remember those interviews too, though he's had plenty of interviews after GT3 was released where he'd said that the PS2 hardware was still pretty limiting in many aspects. In fact, he had an interview a year or so prior to GT4's release which sounded about as sweeping as GT5 in what he wanted GT4 to be. What we got was quite a bit smaller than the museum of racing history he wanted to create, but it was still awesome.

There's something else I forgot to mention about Toca, and that's that the cars crumpled like cardboard. Not only that, but it was real time, so if you watched replays, each time it would crumple quite differently. And yet a number of people thought it was quite the incredible thing. I thought it was rather silly myself. Even the highly lauded Live For Speed has cars that squish like they're made of thin aluminum.

And in case you haven't read them, our very own Scaff who worked in the automotive industry posted how difficult it is to get a handful of carmakers to agree on the same level of damage in a game. In fact, in Forza, different makes, sometimes different models, suffer different levels of damage, plus it's only a third to a quarter realistic.

I know a lot of people think Forza is the defining racing game of our time, but I think the delivery of the PS3 hardware is more significant in regards anything we see in GT5.

 

[myke6699]

I have been waiting a long time for GT5... I have some very high expectations... so that's where my attention is right now.

Some major contributing factors are that I really like force feedback but the options on the 360 are MS wheel (weak and no good shifter) and Fanatec (expensive) - I already have a GFP which is decent. To get GT5 I will have to buy a PS3 so it's a big decision for me if I will or won't.

I already have a 360 so getting FM3 is no biggie for me and so I am not as concered/interested in it as there is less on the line for me there.



It's funny, look around you will see a pattern:

If you are going to say anything negative about GT5, you will get shunned, told to stop whining and have "it's not even out yet so how are you going to judge it" shoved down your throat.

Say something positive, no matter how unlikely or improbable and you will get people all excitied and happy to keep talking about it.

Say something that's even remotely compares GT5 to something else in a negative light and you will be called a fanboy and asked why you don't just go to some other games forum and post there. Then someone will say "I thought this was a GT5 forum/thread?"

Say something that compares GT5 to the competition in a positive light and a huge slam fest on whatever that game may be and people will cheer how awesome GT5 is.

GT5 fanboys will be the first and most adament to call out fanboys of other games (legit or not).

If you stand your ground about something that isn't pro GT5, you are a troll.

Those should be stickied as the commandments of GTPlanet

Of course there should be difference of opinions but that shouldn't be the motivating factor in a forum dedicated specifically to a game. I'm pretty sure that most of us here can handle criticism regarding GT and not feel as if it' a personal insult. But at the same time, it's just as nice to not to have to deal with too much conflicting opinions (all the time) that you end up feeling alienated in a place where you should feel very much at home.

My advice: as in any social setting, it's best to scan the mood and not everything you feel at the moment should be made public- something that I need to practise as well It's a matter of timing and on top of all that the commom adage: treating other people the way you would like to be treated yourself. I know the interweb removes a lot of guards but you're still dealing human emotions and with that a bit of restrain goes a long way.

 

[Smoke&Slide]

Of course there should be difference of opinions but that shouldn't be the motivating factor in a forum dedicated specifically to a game. I'm pretty sure that most of us here can handle criticism regarding GT and not feel as if it' a personal insult. But at the same time, it's just as nice to not to have to deal with too much conflicting opinions (all the time) that you end up feeling alienated in a place where you should feel very much at home.

My advice: as in any social setting, it's best to scan the mood and not everything you feel at the moment should be made public- something that need to practise as well It's a matter of timing and on top of all that the commom adage: treating other people the way you would like to be treated yourself. I know the interweb removes a lot of guards but you're still dealing human emotions and with that a bit of restrain goes a long way.

What he said 👍.

 

[Zer0]

I have been waiting a long time for GT5... I have some very high expectations... so that's where my attention is right now.

Some major contributing factors are that I really like force feedback but the options on the 360 are MS wheel (weak and no good shifter) and Fanatec (expensive) - I already have a GFP which is decent.

Have you changed your mind?

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showpost.php?p=20368091&postcount=20

GT5 fanboys will be the first and most adament to call out fanboys of other games (legit or not).

If you stand your ground about something that isn't pro GT5, you are a troll.

Those should be stickied as the commandments of GTPlanet

You are doing it another time, insulting the whole forum is not a good idea.

About calling others "fanboys" I can assure that you has used the word more than anyone ever since that forum exists, if that means something for you..

 

[alba]

ohhh burn

 

[irnbrutwinturbo]

I remember reading an interview years ago (I think it was shortly before the release of GT3) where he was asked, with the power of the PS2, if he'd finally add full damage (as a follow up to GT2's mechanical damage). He said something to the effect of "Not interested", because "cars are like art, and I don't like to see them getting damaged". Then again, in other interviews he chalked it up to the manufacturers not allowing damage in their cars, so I don't know...

All I know is that a couple of years later suddenly all those restrictions are gone, and Yamauchi wants an all-encompassing simulation, and the manufacturers let them damage their cars, and the collision modeling is gonna be perfect...coinciding with the appearance of Forza 1-2...

I found this post particularly interesting.

First, if PD are just about to release a game, they're not going to let the top man 'dis' the game. That would be the biggest marketing mistake. It would be like the Forza 3 guys coming out and saying, our game is crap because we dont have 16 players. Instead they will say something along the lines of 'having a smaller field of players allows for a greater gameplay experience'.

Second, please dont kid yourself that PD is copying 'Forza motorsport'. I've played forza, and its good, but its not as refined as Gran turismo. In fact the best parts of Forza are the bits they have copied from elsewere. It would be very hard to argue that anything linked to Microsoft is original, forza is no different.

Third, Yamauchi had the original vision. Dont be so foolish to think he played Forza one day and this changed his outlook. He has clearly stated that he had plans for an "all-encompassing simulation" from day one.

Rant over.

If im not careful im going to start sounding like one of those fanboys.

 

[Maggot666PL]

I know I shouldn't, but I just have to reply to this one:

If you are going to say anything negative about GT5, you will get shunned, told to stop whining and have "it's not even out yet so how are you going to judge it" shoved down your throat.

Because it's true. If you criticize GT5 for something you don't know for sure, it's nonsense. For instance: saying "GT is known for having poor sounds" is ok. Write "GT5 has crappy sounds" (or even "will probably have crappy sounds") is just plain stupid, since in both cases you're guessing or just being negative, with average foundations at best.

Say something positive, no matter how unlikely or improbable and you will get people all excitied and happy to keep talking about it.

True. What's wrong about it? People are excited, since the launch is getting closer with every minute.

Say something that's even remotely compares GT5 to something else in a negative light and you will be called a fanboy and asked why you don't just go to some other games forum and post there. Then someone will say "I thought this was a GT5 forum/thread?"

I don't do that, I don't see that (what about the whole thread entitled "Why GT sounds sucks compared do PGR/Forza etc." ?).

Say something that compares GT5 to the competition in a positive light and a huge slam fest on whatever that game may be and people will cheer how awesome GT5 is.

Quite true, reasons same as in the case of getting excited about the speculations.

GT5 fanboys will be the first and most adament to call out fanboys of other games (legit or not).

Huh?
Why is it that almost every thread that you post in always transforms into useless "You're a troll. -No, you're a fanboy!" rant, with you trying to prove your righteousness?

 

[Kinetic]

Looks like deve's actually getting exposed for the forza fanboying troll he obviously is.

good work

 

[Bogie 19th]

I can kinda see where deve's is coming from. I think he is much like me in the fact that some of us have hopes for a more "neutral" discussion with less double standards in the public forums.

I enjoy racing Forza titles, and more recently (past almost 2 months), I have become a GT fan as well now that I played my first title.

It seems there are 3 extremes:

FM.net forums. You are a biased Forza fan (and don't have/want GT), and you are welcomed with open arms, even if you criticize the game at times.

FM.net forums. You are a gamer who enjoys both Forza and GT (and have both), and if you say anything negative about Forza, you are labeled as a GT fanboy, even if you praise Forza and criticize GT at times.

FM.net forums. You are a GT only fan. The forums will chase you out and get you banned.

and

GTPlanet.net. You are a biased GT fan (and don't have/want Forza), and you are welcomed with open arms, even if you criticize the game at times.

GTPlanet.net forums. You are a gamer who enjoys both Forza and GT (and have both), and if you say anything negative about GT, you are labeled as a Forza fanboy, even if you praise GT and criticize Forza at times.

GTPlanet.net forums. You are a Forza only fan. The forums will chase you out and get you banned.

So the problem I have is with the middle blue scenarios. It ends up being double standards, when many are just hoping to have neutral conversations that enjoy both games. One would hope that either side is willing to accept the games faults or differences of opinions. But that doesn't seem to be the case on either forum (based on my experience at this forum so far).

It seems like you would have to visit a general racing sim forum to be able to discuss and enjoy both titles without the threat of having a personal preference of one feature over another.

Since I am "newer" to this forum, I am hoping to see more neutral gamers, but they seem far and few between.

 

[FoolKiller]

GTPlanet.net. You are a biased GT fan (and don't have/want Forza), and you are welcomed with open arms, even if you criticize the game at times.

GTPlanet.net forums. You are a gamer who enjoys both Forza and GT (and have both), and if you say anything negative about GT, you are labeled as a Forza fanboy, even if you praise GT and criticize Forza at times.

GTPlanet.net forums. You are a Forza only fan. The forums will chase you out and get you banned.

I challenge you to find one case of this.

 

[Bogie 19th]

I challenge you to find one case of this.

I have no idea how to find such a scenario. I was being facetious. It was in jest. I could just replace GTPlanet with the official playstation.com GT forums. But you get my point, which was the Blue font items.

 

[FoolKiller]

I have no idea how to find such a scenario. I was being facetious. It was in jest. I could just replace GTPlanet with the official playstation.com GT forums. But you get my point, which was the Blue font items.

I have no major issue with what you say in the blue, other than in all cases the reasonable people stay out of a possible flame war. It is how people act and as long as it stays civil the mods will not intervene. If it falls to direct personal attacks then mods will step in, no matter which side of fandom a person falls on.

I just wanted to be sure to point out that the third example does not apply to GTPlanet and no one has ever been banned just for expressing a like for Forza and a dislike for GT. In fact, we have plenty of long-standing and respected members who do feel that way. But they also avoid the flame wars. Besides, we are also forzaplanet.net. If anyone feels like they can provide a case of the third example it should be reported to Jordan via PM, because he won't tolerate abuse of moderating powers like that.

But the middle category you point out has as much to do with the accused as the accuser. If the accused ignored the flame baiting comments or answered a question with known facts from people asking why they think a certain way then they wouldn't continue the discussion. I have also seen where the accused gets defensive way too quick when someone just disagrees with their opinions and is merely attempting healthy debate. Then the accusations will come out because if you won't, or can't, back up your opinions in a discussion you shouldn't be tossing them into a public forum.

 

[Bogie 19th]

In fact, we have plenty of long-standing and respected members who do feel that way. But they also avoid the flame wars.

That is the ticket for sure.

Besides, we are also forzaplanet.net.

I wasn't aware of that! Thanks for the info (though it looks as though it's a url redirect only?)

But the middle category you point out has as much to do with the accused as the accuser.

No doubt. That would technically be a part of my blue comments as well.

 

[Tenacious D]

Bogie, the problem is that everyone plays favorites, and some people do a lot of posing, like Devedander has been shown up for on the previous page. You've done it yourself, even if you didn't mean it to.

I've gone to some lengths to admit that I'm a card carrying Gran Turismo fanboy. BUT, I've also gone to great lengths to explain why I prefer GT to all other games, and if anyone else has done this, I haven't seen it.

Okay, being a card carrying fanboy, it is irritating to see certain people complaining about elements in GT games while brushing off flaws, sometimes even bigger flaws, in other games. It's irritating to see people say things like "The tire screeches in Prologue are hideous and unrealistic," when with sports tires on vehicles smaller than a Lincoln Continental or a Buick, they most certainly are. Why do I say this? Because I prefer GT games to other games, or because of the many collisions and near-wrecks I've heard at the intersection 100 feet from my home with my own ears? You surely know the answer by now.

It's that sort of thing that gets old. People prefer something in another game they like more, and so GT isn't as cool, or isn't as realistic, or even downright blows. Because of the competitive nature and fallen nature of human beings, this is inevitable online. Okay, maybe we GT fans get carried away sometimes, but it's silly to insist that anyone can say anything, even if it's just an opinion, a matter of preference or even a lie, and then look down at those of us here who take issue with it and try and set things straight, or resort to the favorite weapon of choice, calling someone a fanboy.

Having lived online since the early days of the WWW, I have to say that GT Planet is the one place that comes closest to a flame free intelligent life zone dealing with racing games. Heck, I'll even say good things about Forza, even as I see it as a deliberate rip-off of Kazunori's creation.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Bogie, the problem is that everyone plays favorites, and some people do a lot of posing, like Devedander has been shown up for on the previous page. You've done it yourself, even if you didn't mean it to.

I don't believe I have, but that is only because I have extremely little GT experience (only have played GT5p for just under two months, and never played a GT title before GT5p). I just have MORE experience with FM1 and FM2. I am more "familiar" with those two titles, but I hold no allegiance to FM (or shudder, Microsoft). But no doubt, we all have our preferences (and preferred game). I haven't had GT5p long enough (and won't make the decision until GT5 is released) to decided if I prefer one or the other. I really don't WANT to prefer one or the other. I want to enjoy them for what they are, and I want to critique them for what they are not (and what they should be).

It's irritating to see people say things like "The tire screeches in Prologue are hideous and unrealistic," when with sports tires on vehicles smaller than a Lincoln Continental or a Buick, they most certainly are.

Actually, I too feel the screeching is hideous and excessive in GT5p. In the same breath, screeching in FM doesn't happen enough, and it's not loud or accurate enough. I personally think they both fail in that department. Not a deal breaker though! Then again, that is my opinion. I respect your opinion and your reasoning behind it.

Because of the competitive nature and fallen nature of human beings, this is inevitable online.

That itself is an entire topic. And DANG do I agree.

Having lived online since the early days of the WWW, I have to say that GT Planet is the one place that comes closest to a flame free intelligent life zone dealing with racing games.

The flaming I see here "so far" isn't as bad as FM.net (but this place has it), but it seems that this site/forum has "more" older age and experienced gamers than FM.net. That is just my thoughts after visiting both.

 

[Tenacious D]

Hey, I've lit a torch or two here myself, but the mods usually have a garden hose nearby and don't let things get too out of hand.

I enjoy the rough and tumble discussion of other racing games myself. I know that being a fanboy, I do have my biases, but I also let the chips fall fairly, or try to. I will give the PC Simmers their due, and grant that probably the best overall recreation of racing is in Live For Speed and iRacing, even with LFS's own weird flaws and iRacing's crazy costs involved. I'll grant that Shift may be an excellent simmy game, even though the kudos given for running others off the road and videos that look like the same old Need For Speed physics make me a bit leery of it. I grant that Forza 3 has probably advanced nicely, if incrementally. I'll say that Ferrari/Supercar Challenge is a good addition to anyone's racing library. While GRID is just arcadey as heck, I really dig the collision and damage implementation. I do play favorites, but I try not to let my favoritism get in the way, or else I'd be slagging Shift because of the lineage I see continuing in the videos I've seen, or Codemasters seeming to have abandoned their simmy roots for arcade fun over realism.

As for the topic here, I do try and douse people who go on rants, saying things like "GT has never had damage and that stuff in the GC demo was awful!" or "Forza blows it away." Hey, maybe the damage in GT5 will just be limited to race cars, and maybe it'll be as meager as what's in Ferrari Challenge. If so, yeah, tip your hat to Turn 10 for doing a pretty good job. But hammering it for several posts, and insisting it's going to blow in GT5 because of a demo we haven't even played yet on a game which is still yet to release, and trying to school us on what fanboys we are because we can't be too worried yet... chill out! Well intentioned or not, this is just flaming, and it's that kind of thing that's going to have me grabbing my hose. Uhm... no innuendo implied. Really.

 

[FoolKiller]

I wasn't aware of that! Thanks for the info (though it looks as though it's a url redirect only?)

Currently it is, but Jordan has said that he would like to have a proper Forza Planet setup eventually.