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mustafur
Honestly if i was ferrari I would buy out kimis contract and put Button in there if Mclaren don't sign him.
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You might as well write "Honestly, if I had more money than sense..."

How long is Ferrari going to just keep flinging money at problems? They're already possibly in the position of having three drivers between two cars, and either way they're likely to have the most expensive driver line up on the grid (again).

If money was no object, then you might be right. But is Button worth paying his own salary AND Kimi's for a year? Is Button really that much better than Kimi? Both are world champions, both are older, very good drivers who excel when the car suits them and struggle when it doesn't. I don't see Button being enough better that you'd essentially pay double for him.
 
Imari
You might as well write "Honestly, if I had more money than sense..."

How long is Ferrari going to just keep flinging money at problems? They're already possibly in the position of having three drivers between two cars, and either way they're likely to have the most expensive driver line up on the grid (again).

If money was no object, then you might be right. But is Button worth paying his own salary AND Kimi's for a year? Is Button really that much better than Kimi? Both are world champions, both are older, very good drivers who excel when the car suits them and struggle when it doesn't. I don't see Button being enough better that you'd essentially pay double for him.
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Well he would score double of kimi this year no issue in the same car so you sure about that.

Last time they bought Kimi out they got Alonso who they definetely got their moneys worth out of for several seasons.

Button has about 2 seasons left in him so it would be worth the thought, with kimi I would probably move him to AF Corse for 2015 In WEC to lessen the financial burden.
 
Can't say that Button would have scored more points than Kimi in the same car, it's a scenario of the unknown.
 
GTPorsche
Can't say that Button would have scored more points than Kimi in the same car, it's a scenario of the unknown.
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Yes there is unknown but he has easily outscored him in the Mclaren. and going by his past team mate history point wise would have him close to alonso.

Of course it's speculation but i wouldn't doubt half the grid could of done better then Kimi this year.
 
SagarisGTB
In a third car I would assume? Though doesn't that depend on who McLaren chooses for their race seats? I would be surprised if Jenson's future was sorted before McLaren make their choice.
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???. Nissan haven't announced their drivers yet. There is a spot at Toyota available and why would McLaren have anything to do with it?

If I was being led a merry dance by McLaren you can bet that I would take my future into my hands and sign for someone else.
 
mustafur
Yes there is unknown but he has easily outscored him in the Mclaren. and going by his past team mate history point wise would have him close to alonso.

Of course it's speculation but i wouldn't doubt half the grid could of done better then Kimi this year.
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I respect your Button fanboy-ism, but he is nowhere near Alonso. Button is 5 years past his prime, and I do think it's time for him to move on and make way for the new generation.

Same goes for Kimi, I have no idea why Ferrari are even keeping him.

If I were Ferrari I'd want to keep Alonso aside Vettel for 2016. And if I were McLaren, I would like to give Stoffel Vandoorne a chance in F1.
 
Bram Turismo
I respect your Button fanboy-ism, but he is nowhere near Alonso. Button is 5 years past his prime, and I do think it's time for him to move on and make way for the new generation.

Same goes for Kimi, I have no idea why Ferrari are even keeping him.

If I were Ferrari I'd want to keep Alonso aside Vettel for 2016. And if I were McLaren, I would like to give Stoffel Vandoorne a chance in F1.
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Lol Button fanboyism, what is this im just stating it as I see, Button isn't a fast driver lets clear this out of the way. But his ability to score points regardless of this fact is what makes him a good driver.

Keep in mind button scored more points then Hamilton in the 3 years they where team mates and whilst I wouldn't say he was as good as Hamilton he wasn't destroyed, and nor would you say he was a 2nd driver more like a Team mate that was almost as good and probably more consistent.

Now before you even say another word I suggest you look at the 2014 point standings because judging by what you have been talking about it may surprise you.
 
mustafur
No your not, your just highlighting your comprehension fail.
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what did I fail in? You said Button scored more points than Hamilton did in the 3 years that they were teammates, That implies that he scored more in all 3 years, not 1.
 
Brutaka
what did I fail in? You said Button scored more points than Hamilton did in the 3 years that they were teammates, That implies that he scored more in all 3 years, not 1.
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but he did score more then him in the 3 years they where team mates: Overall points: Hamilton 657 / Button 672

You Implied I said all 3 years, when i didn't say such a thing.

What this highlights is that Buttons margin in the 1 year he beat Hamilton was larger then the 2 that Hamilton beat him, which should be notable.
 
mustafur
but he did score more then him in the 3 years they where team mates: Overall points: Hamilton 657 / Button 672
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You should have stated combined, what I assumed was that he scored more points in the 3 years Separate.
 
His original post was perfectly clear. Button scored more points than Hamilton in their three years together. Nothing about that implies he would do it in each year.

Hun200kmh
That clears it ... you are not Ferrari! ;)

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116721


@ Ferrari...... Really ?!?!?!?! :odd:
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Well, he did do a good job, for a change, so he should get the credit for that.
 
I assumed he meant every year for the 3 years not over the 3 years total.
I apologize if I sounded aggressive.
 
Tired Tyres
???. Nissan haven't announced their drivers yet. There is a spot at Toyota available and why would McLaren have anything to do with it?

If I was being led a merry dance by McLaren you can bet that I would take my future into my hands and sign for someone else.
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I still think McLaren is Button's #1 option. Button has been fairly lukewarm when speaking about sportscar racing, so I don't think he would make himself available for a full season until the McLaren situation is sorted.
 
He is speaking frankly about keeping his options open, however you can't read too much into these things. Personally, I'd love to see Button joining the #8 Toyota, but the allure of F1 has proven to be strong in the past. For instance, Kobayashi chose a Caterham F1 ride over WEC.
 
Don't underestimate the allure of winning and being competitive either though. Neither of which say McLaren.
 
mustafur
Button isn't a fast driver lets clear this out of the way. But his ability to score points regardless of this fact is what makes him a good driver.
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Races run over 200 miles. Points are awarded for the first driver (and then on) to reach the final distance marker, down to the tenth driver.

What you say therefore makes no sense at all. s=d/t.
 
TenEightyOne
Races run over 200 miles. Points are awarded for the first driver (and then on) to reach the final distance marker, down to the tenth driver.

What you say therefore makes no sense at all. s=d/t.
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Drivers are human, they make mistakes and or can't keep consistent times.

Buttons pace is not Fast but he is consistent and he keeps his pace that way though a whole race which is whats his advantage is.
 
mustafur
Drivers are human, they make mistakes and or can't keep consistent times.

Buttons pace is not Fast but he is consistent and he keeps his pace that way though a whole race which is whats his advantage is.
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So what are you saying... or by reverse example can you name a driver who is faster than Button (and therefore better, we'd infer) while being less 'consistent'?
 
Ericsson has formally severed all ties with Caterham.

Meanwhile Grosjean tweeted this... then deleted it within minutes. No word from Lotus :)



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