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If they're developing Kyalami to be identical to the old circuit then I'd be completely onboard with it. Otherwise I'd hope the track doesn't return.

Anyway, Baku Circuit drive-through:





I enjoy the front straight. The rest should produce some good racing, bar that ultra tight section.
 
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Just to go back to the Monaco discussion, I'll throw in my two cents.

I honestly couldn't care less about Monaco :lol: It's boring, straight up. Even the commentators seems bored during live coverage.

The glitz and the glam and the extravegance which go along with Monaco is my least favorite aspect of the whole thing. I have zero interest in any of that crap.

I watch Motorsport for exciting, wheel to wheel racing (which is why F1 is pretty much out of my current top ten favorite series). I don't care about which celebrities are there, or if there was a fashion show the night before. I don't really care who wins the race...as long as it was exciting.

I watched this year's Monaco GP....turned out exactly how I thought it would...same 🤬 as 10 years ago.


As a kid growing up, I had this idea in my head that F1 was supposed to be a series of the best drivers, driving the best cars, on the world's most exciting tracks. Truth is, it's not.

Every other track on the calendar has evolved with the sport over time. Monaco has not. The only thing keeping it on the calender is all the hoopla that takes place off the track. To me, that's horrible for racing.

This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree. I would love to see them ditch Monaco and go to Imola instead (and keep Monza)
 
Azerbaijan and Germany both confirmed in the record 21-race 2016 provisional calendar. Russia moves earlier in the season with Malaysia falling later, back-to-back with Singapore.


It makes me wonder if there's an expectation that 1 or 2 races might fall away?

Provisional 2016 F1 calendar:

1 - April 3: Australia
2 - April 10: China
3 - April 24: Bahrain
4 - May 1: Russia
5 - May 15: Spain
6 - May 29: Monaco
7 - June 12: Canada
8 - June 26: Britain
9 - July 3: Austria
10 - July 17: Azerbaijan
11 - July 31: Germany
12 - August 7: Hungary
13 - August 28: Belgium
14 - September 4: Italy
15 - September 18: Singapore
16 - September 25: Malaysia
17 - October 9: Japan
18 - October 23: United States
19 - October 30: Mexico
20 - November 13: Brazil
21 - November 27: Abu Dhabi
 
And in a stunning turn of events.... nope, not stunning at all, GP of the Americas has been killed officially. Cannot see US getting 2nd race for another decade.
 
And in a stunning turn of events.... nope, not stunning at all, GP of the Americas has been killed officially. Cannot see US getting 2nd race for another decade.

I thought that was the Circuit of Americas (Austin) race? There are 3 North American races on the calendar for 2016, Mexico, USA and Canada.

EDIT: Ah, I see what you mean, the New Jersey race... sorry :D Yup, no sign of it so far.
 
I thought that was the Circuit of Americas (Austin) race? There are 3 North American races on the calendar for 2016, Mexico, USA and Canada.

EDIT: Ah, I see what you mean, the New Jersey race... sorry :D Yup, no sign of it so far.
Take off your glasses, you aren't reading properly so they are either double bifocals or you are blind :lol:.
 
Grand Prix of the Americas is COTA.

US Grand Prix was the proposed New Jersey race.

Edit: I guess they swapped those names around when I wasn't paying attention....
 
Grand Prix of the Americas is COTA.

US Grand Prix was the proposed New Jersey race.

Edit: I guess they swapped those names around when I wasn't paying attention....
Nope. GP of America was always NJ race, US GP is COTA.
 
During the latest British GP, I heard the commentators mention that "the FIA is aware of the current, generally negative feelings of a lot of fans towards F1, which is why there were some official surveys done to ask fans how we can improve" (heavily paraphrased).

So if everyone, including the powers that be, are aware that things aren't going so well, I find it extremely surprising that they would expand the calender. Seems very much like a quantity over quality approach.

I also really don't understand where the money is coming from...but what do I know :confused:
 
So if everyone, including the powers that be, are aware that things aren't going so well, I find it extremely surprising that they would expand the calender. Seems very much like a quantity over quality approach.
Only if you assume that "there are too many races" was a leading complaint - which it wasn't.
 
Only if you assume that "there are too many races" was a leading complaint - which it wasn't.
I'm not assuming that at all.

I'm saying that when a sanctioning body knows that fan support is down to the point where the sanctioning body has to turn to the fans to ask "what can we do??", it seems like an odd time to expand the series.

It's like McDonalds realizing their food is 🤬, and deciding to open a couple dozen more franchises at the same time.

I realize the planned expansion has probably been in the works for a couple years, I'm just saying the timing of everything seems strange...maybe awkward is a better word?
 
I'm saying that when a sanctioning body knows that fan support is down to the point where the sanctioning body has to turn to the fans to ask "what can we do??", it seems like an odd time to expand the series.
Have you read any of the news coming out of Mexico City overnight?

It's not the only change that they have made. All changes for all series need to be ratified by the World Motorsports Council, and the WMSC only meet four times a year. In addition to expanding the calendar, they have also agreed to the proposed start changes and removing driver aids, banning driver coaching, getting rid of cumulative penalties for engine changes and allowing new manufacturers an extra engine in their first season.

And that's just the stuff that they can do with immediate effect.
 
I'm saying that when a sanctioning body knows that fan support is down to the point where the sanctioning body has to turn to the fans to ask "what can we do??", it seems like an odd time to expand the series.

I haven't seen any surveys from the sanctioning bodies, do you have a link? The one that was discussed at these forums was by the GPDA, and that's the only one I've seen.
 
Have you read any of the news coming out of Mexico City overnight?

It's not the only change that they have made. All changes for all series need to be ratified by the World Motorsports Council, and the WMSC only meet four times a year. In addition to expanding the calendar, they have also agreed to the proposed start changes and removing driver aids, banning driver coaching, getting rid of cumulative penalties for engine changes and allowing new manufacturers an extra engine in their first season.

And that's just the stuff that they can do with immediate effect.
No sorry I don't actually follow F1 that closely...which is probably why I don't fully understand the choice to expand. I'm a casual follower at best.

I guess I'm just saying that, from a casual viewer's standpoint, it seems odd. I'm sure it makes more sense to you folks who pay more attention than I do.

That's good to hear about those other changes you mentioned...at first glance, they seem like positive steps.

Do you happen to have a link to a synopsis of the changes discussed at that meeting?

What is "driver coaching"? Is that basically radio communication?

I haven't seen any surveys from the sanctioning bodies, do you have a link? The one that was discussed at these forums was by the GPDA, and that's the only one I've seen.

Sorry no I don't. Like I said, the only time I heard anything about it was the quick reference the commentators of the British GP made to it.

And again, as a casual fan, I have no idea where to start looking for it, other than google.
 
Do you happen to have a link to a synopsis of the changes discussed at that meeting?
Off the top of my head, it goes like this:
  • If a new manufacturer - like Honda - enters the sport, any team using their power units will be granted an extra power unit. Everyone else can only use four before taking a penalty, but newcomers will get five.
  • Carry-over penalties are gone. In the past, if a driver went over their four-part quota for any if the six engine components, they got a five-place penalty. Replacing the entire engine got a ten place penalty. In a bid to stop teams from changing an entire engine when they only needed to replace one part, the FIA introduced a rule where those penalties became cumulative, and if those penalties would have moved you past the back of the grid, you had to make up the difference with a drive-through penalty at the start of the race. It was a good deterrent until Alonso and Button both got slugged with twenty-five place penalties in Austria - on a grid with twenty-two cars. That has now been scrapped, so the biggest penalty that you can take is being moved to the back of the grid.
  • From Belgium, electronic driver aids will be banned at the start - the driver will have complete control over the car.
  • A new points system has been introduced for superlicences - candidates must be at least eighteen years old, and have earned fifty points from placing in various feeder series to qualify. The range of eligible series was expanded beyond the traditional open-wheelers to include DTM and WTCC.
The WMSC also introduced a variety of rules for other championships.

What is "driver coaching"? Is that basically radio communication?
It's radio communication that effectively tells the driver how they should be driving. Modern Formula 1 cars are extremely complex - some steering wheels have up to forty functions on them, many of them with multiple sub-menus - and so engineers frequently give drivers instructions on various settings. However, some people feel that this goes too far; for example, engineers will tell drivers how many burn-outs to do on the formation lap. From Belgium, the teams will only be able to inform drivers of changes in track conditions, incidents on the track, emergency issues with the car, and so on. If a driver wants to change settings to adapt the car, the team cannot tell them; the driver must suggest the change, and the team can only answer yes or no.

And again, as a casual fan, I have no idea where to start looking for it, other than google.
Autosport is the best place to start. F1 Fanatic is usually pretty good, but the fan community is pretty partisan - if you don't like Hamilton or Raikkonen, you probably won't be welcome. James Allen On F1 is another good source; Allen might have been insufferable as a broadcast commentator, but I think he's quite insightful as a print journalist. Adam Cooper's F1 Blog is similarly good. Will Buxton of The Buxton Blog was good for opinion pieces, but ever since he stopped commentating on GP2, it's been a bit neglected.

The ones that you should avoid are Pitpass, or any article written by Christian Sylt. Pitpass has some pretty poor-quality stuff on it (it's nicknames start with "Spitpass" and get progressively unflattering) and Sylt is Bernie Ecclestone's Minister for Propaganda. You should also avoid Joe Saward; he claims to have insight into the inner workings of the paddock and has somethinh of a cult following, but he's an arsehole - he routinely wages war on anyone who dares to criticise him, vehemently despises Force India's Vijay Mallya after Mallya dropped Tonio Liuzzi a few years ago, and insults other journalists and their followers. He and Christian Sylt can't stand one another, so if you want a good laugh, watching them battle to the death over increasingly-lower stakes is pretty funny.
 
Off the top of my head, it goes like this:
  • If a new manufacturer - like Honda - enters the sport, any team using their power units will be granted an extra power unit. Everyone else can only use four before taking a penalty, but newcomers will get five.
  • Carry-over penalties are gone. In the past, if a driver went over their four-part quota for any if the six engine components, they got a five-place penalty. Replacing the entire engine got a ten place penalty. In a bid to stop teams from changing an entire engine when they only needed to replace one part, the FIA introduced a rule where those penalties became cumulative, and if those penalties would have moved you past the back of the grid, you had to make up the difference with a drive-through penalty at the start of the race. It was a good deterrent until Alonso and Button both got slugged with twenty-five place penalties in Austria - on a grid with twenty-two cars. That has now been scrapped, so the biggest penalty that you can take is being moved to the back of the grid.
  • From Belgium, electronic driver aids will be banned at the start - the driver will have complete control over the car.
  • A new points system has been introduced for superlicences - candidates must be at least eighteen years old, and have earned fifty points from placing in various feeder series to qualify. The range of eligible series was expanded beyond the traditional open-wheelers to include DTM and WTCC.
The WMSC also introduced a variety of rules for other championships.


It's radio communication that effectively tells the driver how they should be driving. Modern Formula 1 cars are extremely complex - some steering wheels have up to forty functions on them, many of them with multiple sub-menus - and so engineers frequently give drivers instructions on various settings. However, some people feel that this goes too far; for example, engineers will tell drivers how many burn-outs to do on the formation lap. From Belgium, the teams will only be able to inform drivers of changes in track conditions, incidents on the track, emergency issues with the car, and so on. If a driver wants to change settings to adapt the car, the team cannot tell them; the driver must suggest the change, and the team can only answer yes or no.


Autosport is the best place to start. F1 Fanatic is usually pretty good, but the fan community is pretty partisan - if you don't like Hamilton or Raikkonen, you probably won't be welcome. James Allen On F1 is another good source; Allen might have been insufferable as a broadcast commentator, but I think he's quite insightful as a print journalist. Adam Cooper's F1 Blog is similarly good. Will Buxton of The Buxton Blog was good for opinion pieces, but ever since he stopped commentating on GP2, it's been a bit neglected.

The ones that you should avoid are Pitpass, or any article written by Christian Sylt. Pitpass has some pretty poor-quality stuff on it (it's nicknames start with "Spitpass" and get progressively unflattering) and Sylt is Bernie Ecclestone's Minister for Propaganda. You should also avoid Joe Saward; he claims to have insight into the inner workings of the paddock and has somethinh of a cult following, but he's an arsehole - he routinely wages war on anyone who dares to criticise him, vehemently despises Force India's Vijay Mallya after Mallya dropped Tonio Liuzzi a few years ago, and insults other journalists and their followers. He and Christian Sylt can't stand one another, so if you want a good laugh, watching them battle to the death over increasingly-lower stakes is pretty funny.
Thanks man, appreciate that 👍 I'll have to start checking those sites out.

I must say though, at first impression, those driver coaching rules sound incredibly hoaky. I just don't see a logical way to enforce it. In a obscure way, it's almost like a form of censorship. "You can talk to each other, but curtain topics are off limits..."

Do they honestly think teams won't find a way to circumvent this, by basically talking in code, and then playing ignorant?

MB - "Lewis, the recipe calls for three eggs mate"

FIA - "Ah, that's coaching!"

MB - "Umm, we're talking about dinner plans for later, thanks very much..."

After watching Formula E this year, isn't that basically what those teams were doing? I laughed a few times as the commentators would pause to listen to radio communication, only hear "5 point 4.................7 point 3"

The commentators even laughed and joked about it a couple times.


Not that I really care that much. If the experts think it'll make the racing more competative and the action better, then I guess I'm willing to see how it pans out.
 
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