The General Anime Thread...

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TheCorvette
NIS America is trolling people who can't play Blu-rays yet. Occult Academy is getting a Blu-ray-only release.
http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/HtrZznPZXqsREroXIz/browse/item/94359/4/0/0

I wonder who will get more crap in the future for their pricing and business decisions, Aniplex of America, or NIS America?:lol:
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It's about time people started ditching DVDs anyway. When DVD was new, movies were released simultaneously on VHS and DVD. But we're long past VHS now. I'd expect the same thing to happen to DVDs, but companies seem to be dragging their feet. Perhaps consumers are dragging their feet too, but I think some just need a slight nudge. Standalone Blu-ray players are pretty cheap nowadays and they can also play DVDs, so it's not totally unreasonable to expect consumers to ditch their old DVD players in order to play the latest releases.
 
Lain
I'd say play it, then watch it if you liked it. But to be fair, I haven't been watching the anime.

But then there's also Persona 3 which is awesome but doesn't have an anime.
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Persona 3 is better than 4 IMO. I would have rather had a P3 anime, but the P4 anime is pretty good.


AOS-
Yeah, Sephy? Do something about it.
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What am I doing something about?


Lain
It's about time people started ditching DVDs anyway. When DVD was new, movies were released simultaneously on VHS and DVD. But we're long past VHS now. I'd expect the same thing to happen to DVDs, but companies seem to be dragging their feet. Perhaps consumers are dragging their feet too, but I think some just need a slight nudge. Standalone Blu-ray players are pretty cheap nowadays and they can also play DVDs, so it's not totally unreasonable to expect consumers to ditch their old DVD players in order to play the latest releases.
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I'd say it's more on the consumer side. People adapted to DVDs pretty quickly, but Blu-Ray seems to be taking of a little slower. Honestly I don't mind since I only buy Blu-Rays for movies that I think a difference can actually be seen, and stick to DVDs for movies I don't like as much/don't make a huge difference.
 
Should I be ashamed I want DVD and BD to co-exist for a long time, and I like both equally practically (I want both the DVD and BD. That's one reason why I love them combo packs.)?

Though in Japan DVD will die. I mean with anime, the BD outsells the DVD by A LOT. Madoka Magica sold like 5 times more BD's than DVD's when it went on to break sales records (53,000+ BD's, OVER 9,000 DVD's.). DVD is dying there, and I won't be surprised if it disappears in 10 years. I mean Fate/Zero for example is being offered only on Blu-ray. Though there are DVD's available only for rent at certain places.

We best expect anime to be on Blu-ray only in the future, frustrating North American consumers who are still loyal to the DVD format.
 
Sephy
I'd say it's more on the consumer side. People adapted to DVDs pretty quickly, but Blu-Ray seems to be taking of a little slower. Honestly I don't mind since I only buy Blu-Rays for movies that I think a difference can actually be seen, and stick to DVDs for movies I don't like as much/don't make a huge difference.
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Well that raises another issue...

Why do you stick with DVDs for things that you don't care about or notice the quality difference? Because they're cheaper, often much cheaper. If something was available on both DVD and Blu-ray for the exact same price, and you had means to play both formats, it'd be downright stupid to go with the DVD unless you had very particular reasons for preferring to go with DVD.

Or in other words, companies are charging an excessive premium for Blu-ray. So I think they're as much to blame, if not more so, than consumers for why Blu-ray isn't replacing DVD. They like to have a "superior" format they can overcharge for. If Blu-ray became the norm like DVDs did, they'd become cheap like DVDs did.
 
Lain
Well that raises another issue...

Why do you stick with DVDs for things that you don't care about or notice the quality difference? Because they're cheaper, often much cheaper. If something was available on both DVD and Blu-ray for the exact same price, and you had means to play both formats, it'd be downright stupid to go with the DVD unless you had very particular reasons for preferring to go with DVD.

Or in other words, companies are charging an excessive premium for Blu-ray. So I think they're as much to blame, if not more so, than consumers for why Blu-ray isn't replacing DVD. They like to have a "superior" format they can overcharge for. If Blu-ray became the norm like DVDs did, they'd become cheap like DVDs did.
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You're forgetting the economics as to why the BD will cost a little more money. It takes more time and money to produce than DVD due to how much more advanced it will be.They have to make more money back because of that. Plus the difference is like $5. With anime fans for example, they hardly care about the price difference on something like this.
http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/HtrZznPZXqsREroXIz/browse/item/92665/4/0/0
http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/HtrZznPZXqsREroXIz/browse/item/92664/4/0/0
They'll still go for the Blu-ray.

Though in my case, I'll go for both as I'm crazy.
 
So the joke wasn't bad this time *sly*

Just finished Persona 4 3. Interesting so far. I only wish the personas would look less ridiculous and more badass.
 
Now I'm off to finish Spice & Wolf, start Spice & Wolf II, and deal with other anime (Maybe I'll finish The Big O tonight as [as] added more episodes to [as] Gold.).
 
Thought I'd share this gorgeous photo I found:
sm-fate-testarossa.jpg
 
I didn't said it was a bad show... hell I never even watched it! :p

Laim
Or in other words, companies are charging an excessive premium for Blu-ray. So I think they're as much to blame, if not more so, than consumers for why Blu-ray isn't replacing DVD. They like to have a "superior" format they can overcharge for. If Blu-ray became the norm like DVDs did, they'd become cheap like DVDs did.
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That is exactly it. 👍
 
TheCorvette
You're forgetting the economics as to why the BD will cost a little more money. It takes more time and money to produce than DVD due to how much more advanced it will be.They have to make more money back because of that. Plus the difference is like $5. With anime fans for example, they hardly care about the price difference on something like this.
http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/HtrZznPZXqsREroXIz/browse/item/92665/4/0/0
http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/HtrZznPZXqsREroXIz/browse/item/92664/4/0/0
They'll still go for the Blu-ray.

Though in my case, I'll go for both as I'm crazy.
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The only cost difference is the actual cost of a Blu-ray disc, versus the cost of a DVD.

And actually putting content onto the disc is pretty much the exact same process, although Blu-rays would naturally take longer to write since more data is being written.

But I doubt that either has a $10+ impact on the cost of the product, and Blu-ray discs are getting cheaper and will eventually be dirt cheap like all the disc formats before it.

There's more to it than that, but I don't have all day. So in short, no I am not forgetting to take into account the economics of producing a DVD vs a Blu-ray when I'm saying that I think Blu-rays are overpriced.
 
Lain
Well that raises another issue...

Why do you stick with DVDs for things that you don't care about or notice the quality difference? Because they're cheaper, often much cheaper. If something was available on both DVD and Blu-ray for the exact same price, and you had means to play both formats, it'd be downright stupid to go with the DVD unless you had very particular reasons for preferring to go with DVD.

Or in other words, companies are charging an excessive premium for Blu-ray. So I think they're as much to blame, if not more so, than consumers for why Blu-ray isn't replacing DVD. They like to have a "superior" format they can overcharge for. If Blu-ray became the norm like DVDs did, they'd become cheap like DVDs did.
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DVD prices were quite high when they came out compared to VHS. But the quality between the two was very apparent. With DVD and Blu-Ray I'd say the biggest difference is really the size of the screen. I usually only buy Blu-Ray movies that are animated or use a lot of special effects. You can see a difference there. Other than that I just buy movies that I love on Blu-Ray, and more often than not, I already have them on DVD. Granted, there is a large difference between Blu-Ray and DVD, a big difference, but depending on the size of your screen you won't notice it as much as we did between VHS and DVD.


AOS-
No questions; just do it.
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*Does something about something*


TheCorvette
You're forgetting the economics as to why the BD will cost a little more money. It takes more time and money to produce than DVD due to how much more advanced it will be.They have to make more money back because of that. Plus the difference is like $5. With anime fans for example, they hardly care about the price difference on something like this.
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This makes no sense to me. Blu-Ray costs more because it's "new", when in fact you get better than Blu-Ray any time you go to the theater. DVD is compressed much more. That's why it looks worse. The video and audio are compressed to fit on a 4.7 gig disc. Blu-Rays hold 50 gigs. Much less compression. Really it only costs more because it's new and people will pay it.


EDIT: Stream is up. Will be right there after I smoke. 👍
 
It does cost more to produce a BD than it does to produce a DVD, but the difference is negligible. I don't know exactly how much, but 5$ sounds right, probably even less.
 
Well anyway... imma go take a quick nap before sinking ur battleships, so ttyl.
 
Lain
And actually putting content onto the disc is pretty much the exact same process, although Blu-rays would naturally take longer to write since more data is being written.
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:odd:

Nothing is actually written in mass production disks, at least not in the same sense you write a DVD or CD in your PC. They are pressed. While the pressing process for a BD is more complicated, I don't really see a reason why it should take significantly longer than any other disk.
 
I did not say such a thing. You better wear one of those; you're the one who asked for them. *pulls out fish*
 
Dravonic
While the pressing process for a BD is more complicated, I don't really see a reason why it should take significantly longer than any other disk.
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It's not more complicated, it just uses different equipment. And yes since the equipment was newer, the initial costs are higher, but by now it shouldn't cost more to make than a DVD. The process is just as simple: it just boils down to compression. Technically it should cost more to make a VHS than a Blu-Ray based on materials and time, but a Blu-Ray costs more because of its "high-def".


AOS-
I did not say such a thing. You better wear one of those; you're the one who asked for them. *pulls out fish*
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Wear a what?
 
Sephy
This makes no sense to me. Blu-Ray costs more because it's "new", when in fact you get better than Blu-Ray any time you go to the theater. DVD is compressed much more. That's why it looks worse. The video and audio are compressed to fit on a 4.7 gig disc. Blu-Rays hold 50 gigs. Much less compression. Really it only costs more because it's new and people will pay it.
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You can't really call Blu-ray "new" at this point. It's like saying the PlayStation 3 is really new, and we shouldn't expect a new console from Sony for another couple years (Most gens lasted 5 years BTW, this one is going on for longer, so we're actually overdue for the PlayStation 4 by normal gen standards.). Blu-ray has been around for like what, almost 6 years now (It's like older than the OVER 9,000 meme which dates back October 2006.), and they started developing it in like what, 2001?
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What the crap, Cardfight!! Vanguard singles are only 2000 yen?
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=PCBX-51401
Damn, that is really cheap by Japan's standards. I wonder if they are really making any money off of those at all.
 
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Blu-rays are actually a little cheaper to produce. DVD's are essentially two layers of plastic glued together, BD's are a single layer.
 
In the end, both will suffer from disc rot eventually, no matter how well you treat them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot
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And Nisemonogatari is back on top of the best-seller list for anime on Amazon Japan. I seriously am very interested in seeing the week 1 sale numbers. Bakemonogatari set big sales records for week 1 which was later broken by Madoka Magica.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/dvd/562020/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_d_2_2_last

It took back the top spot for DVD/BD in general again, well done.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/dvd/ref=pd_dp_ts_d_1
 
Oh, more on Blu-ray, many things on Blu-ray can look worse than the DVD at times. The FLCL Blu-ray made many people puke from how badly they upscaled it (It wasn't FUNimation, they used the same crappy masters from the JP box.). One easy thing to tell it looks like crap, the blurred lines, and blurriness everywhere.
http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showpost.php?p=1906418&postcount=165
 

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