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slybugga
No he couldn't. It's a stated fact that you cannot cross worldlines unless you cross the 1% divergence.

When the show starts in the beta worldline the divergence is 1.13XXXX. Upon sending that accidental d-mail to Daru it caused him to cross into the alpha worldline at divergence point 0.57XXXX.
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I didn't say he could've. I said he should've been able to. It's only a stated "fact" in the show, as a poor excuse for it's lazy writing.

In reality, there is no such nonsense as 1% divergence.
Every time something different happens, even if it's minor, the timeline completely diverges to an all new branch. And timelines aren't bundled into massive worldlines with inescapable fates.

There are timelines with similar conclusions, sure, but if you could go back, you should very easily be able to cause the timeline to diverge to one with very different conclusion.


AOS-
If you feel so strongly that a single d-mail could have saved Mayuri.... what would you have written?
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I never said anything about sending a D-mail to save Mayuri. I said that undoing just one of them might be enough to disrupt the specific butterfly effect that leads to her death. I'm mostly just saying that Okabe should've been able to save Mayuri through time-leaping, without undoing the D-Mails.
 
yaywalter
In reality, there is no such nonsense as 1% divergence.
Every time something different happens, even if it's minor, the timeline completely diverges to an all new branch. And timelines aren't bundled into massive worldlines with inescapable fates.
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And there lies your problem. Reality. We aren't talking about reality. We're talking about Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate's universe.

And in Steins;Gate's universe, there is a 1% divergence line, and timelines are bundled into worldlines. Rope. Analogy.
 
slybugga
And there lies your problem. Reality. We aren't talking about reality. We're talking about Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate's universe.

And in Steins;Gate's universe, there is a 1% divergence line, and timelines are bundled into worldlines. Rope. Analogy.
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I wouldn't consider it my problem. It's the show's.

You're just able to suspend your disbelief for Steins;Gate's unrealistic time travel setup in favor of its implications to the plot, and I'm not.
 
o_o I left about three hours ago, and people here still talk about S;G... and I can't do so because I haven't even looked for it.

Oh dear.
 
Loliblade ver2
Well they are just following an established theory.
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And what theory is this, exactly?

I've read a book or two on time travel and I've never heard of a theory like Steins;Gate's time travel.

There's the Grandfather paradox and the idea of self-consistency, but then Okabe wouldn't be able to change anything by time-leaping (or by D-mail, for that matter) and everything would happen the exact same way every time.

In all likelihood, time travel to the past is probably impossible. But I'll gladly suspend my disbelief for works of fiction involving it, because it's an interesting "what if?" idea to think about.
 
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yaywalter
I wouldn't consider it my problem. It's the show's.

You're just able to suspend your disbelief for Steins;Gate's unrealistic time travel setup in favor of its implications to the plot, and I'm not.
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I'm not suspending my belief of time travel in favor of Steins;Gate's time travel setup.

I love the idea of time travel. Steins;Gate brings a different perspective on time travel.

I'm putting this to an end here. Your argument was invalid the moment you said
where the first D-mail is sent and tips CERN off.
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slybugga
I'm not suspending my belief of time travel in favor of Steins;Gate's time travel setup.

I love the idea of time travel. Steins;Gate brings a different perspective on time travel.

Plus it's not like you could prove Steins;Gate's setup is unrealistic. Time travel is a theory. But that's all it is, theory. Even after crunching the numbers it won't be scientifically proven unless they could reproduce the results.
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I love the idea of time travel too, but Steins;Gate doesn't provide a different perspective on time travel. It provides a particularly convoluted version of it designed to propel it's plot.

And I already did prove Steins;Gate's setup is unrealistic through my example with the paradox of things changing the second time to satisfy "fate" without anything actually occurring within the timeline to cause the change.


slybugga
I'm putting this to an end here. Your argument was invalid the moment you said
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No, because that has no relevance to what we're talking about here. But plug your ears and ignore my arguments if you want.
 
yaywalter
You're just able to suspend your disbelief for Steins;Gate's unrealistic time travel setup in favor of its implications to the plot, and I'm not.
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....Can't this be said for just about any fictitious shows? :odd: I could says the same thing about Angels in EVA.
 
AOS-
....Can't this be said for just about any fictitious shows? :odd: I could says the same thing about Angels in EVA.
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The Angels in EVA don't create paradoxes.

There's a difference between creating a fictional world with fictional rules that work, and creating a fictional world with rules that don't. :p
 
Explain how piloting an EVA works then; how physical harm to the eva unit means physical harm to the pilot who wasn't directly affected from an attack....
 
AOS-
Explain how piloting an EVA works then; how physical harm to the eva unit means physical harm to the pilot who wasn't directly affected from an attack....
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slybugga
Then explain why exactly won't it work, when it's fictional.
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You guys got me. It is fictional, and the world works how the writer wants it to. So the "paradox" I thought up isn't really a paradox in Steins;Gate's world, because its world accommodates that specific behavior.

Doesn't change the fact that it smacks of lazy writing to me.
 
AOS-
[color=green and then black]Explain how piloting an EVA works then; how physical harm to the eva unit means physical harm to the pilot who wasn't directly affected from an attack....[/color]
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Just because. :p


yaywalter
You guys got me. It is fictional, and the world works how the writer wants it to. So the "paradox" I thought up isn't really a paradox in Steins;Gate's world, because its world accommodates that specific behavior.

Doesn't change the fact that it smacks of lazy writing to me.
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Writing time travel stuff is difficult anyway. I can't join in on the Steins;Gate conversation (yet) but pretty much everything dealing with time travel has plot holes and such.


EDIT: I feel weird liking Ruka...
 
Sephy
Writing time travel stuff is difficult anyway. I can't join in on the Steins;Gate conversation (yet) but pretty much everything dealing with time travel has plot holes and such.
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Trufax.

I know it sounds like I'm being hard on Steins;Gate, but I really did like it. Believe it or not. :p

EDIT: I feel weird liking Ruka...
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Don't. ;)
 
Just finished episode 8 of S;G:

No longer feel weird for liking Ruka. BTW can we do that to Loliblade?

This show is awesome. :)
 
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Commercially it's a failure which is heart-aching. I think that whole episode 0 OVA turned everyone off.

At least it's licensed here. Can't wait for the release.

Honestly I think it's better than Lucky Star and K-On, but since it's not moe it doesn't appeal to the demographic that buys like 12 copies of each release.

Sales might go up after episode 15 is released.

Actually MAL thinks so too.

Nichijou 8.38
K-On!! 8.29
K-On! 8.08
Lucky Star 8.25
 
Loliblade ver2

@yaypedo, nothing is better than Steins;Gate.
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Except for everything. :sly:

Anyway, glad to hear you liked episode 5 of Bebop. The ending at least. :p
Episodes 5, 6, 8-13, 17, 18, and 24-26 are my personal favorites. Which isn't to say that the others are bad.
 
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yaywalter
I hope you aren't talking about Cowboy Bebop...

If Cowboy Bebop's lame, then Steins;Gate is super-lame. :p
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I think you've tortured the poor boy enough for one day lol.
 
Sephy
I think you've tortured the poor boy enough for one day lol.
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NO!

Code Geass > Steins;Gate
Gankutsuou > Steins;Gate
Death Note > Steins;Gate
Bokurano > Steins;Gate
C > Steins;Gate











Okay, joking about that last one...
 
slybugga
Honestly I think it's better than Lucky Star and K-On
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One single funny scene in Nichijou is easily better than all of K-ON, both seasons AND movie....


Also....

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Interested? The Saber one is 75kb too big to use btw.

If I get bored of my current one, I'm going top-class gif :lol:
 

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