The Line of Customization: When enough is enough (If it's even added)

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That would make an interesting debate, because of basically three factors:

1. You aren't drifting to be going anywhere.

2. You aren't drifting to beat anyone across a finish line first.

3. You're just basically ruining tires for the sheer heck of it.

Or if you're in a drift competition, roasting tires for points, however the heck they figure that kind of stuff out. ;)

Ah, but you said racing or driving. And although drifting it's not strictly "racing" it sure is driving and requires serious driving skills. The same goes for 4x4 trial or truck trial, with the objective of overcoming massive obstacles without loosing points. And painting however is neither :sly:

So I guess we're in agreement then. If you see anyone with a nadmobile in your server, or have F-bombs all over their car, you should have the right to punt them from your race.

Plus, you realize that server and game options will probably be there to block custom paint jobs, so you never have to see a cool original car.

Yes you are right, personalization, if it comes, will probably be off-limits on-line so you don't have to DL download everyones car.

Speaking of, how can you find anything objectionable, when there are all those horrible drift car liveries??

And okay, I find most of them to be pretty darn awesome, I have several in my Forza garage I paid for, but seriously dude. Some of them should be sprayed over with purple paint. ;)

I may like the art of drifting, but do not enjoy most of the way those cars mods and liveries look. But I understand, when going for "style" points some sick looks will help.


Edit: And there is nothing wrong with burning rubber. As someone in this forum said "rear tires are evil and must be punished" :cheers:

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And the opposite could be said... want liveries? Go play Forza. And leave the REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR as it is for those who love it for it.
Not being able to replicate REAL LIFE racing cars takes away from the simulation. But, no, it's not a deal breaker by a long stretch...
 
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Ah, but you said racing or driving. And although drifting it's not strictly "racing" it sure is driving and requires serious driving skills.
Well, yeah, I said driving and racing, to differentiate from drifting. Like, I sincerely doubt you'll learn a thing about how to be either a good racer or drifter at driving school. ;)

Yes you are right, personalization, if it comes, will probably be off-limits on-line so you don't have to DL download everyones car.
This is what you don't understand, because of your anti-livery bias. The whole crux of online clubs, teams and racing leagues in Forza and numerous PC games such as Live For Speed is in customizing race cars with identifiable liveries. Or even single racers running without a team mate. All are encouraged to create some kind of unique livery including main and secondary sponsors different from other drivers, and they sort this out so that no two cars look identical or have the same sponsors unless on an identified team. I recall that one league even had a rule that the rear view mirror housing had to be painted a different color in contrast to the color beside or below it. And of course all were either assigned or allowed to chose unique numbers, and the number plaques included race specific sponsor decals.

These are not dumb rules. They are cool. This is what real racers do in the real world, just like meeting performance and part requirements. It's a part of what makes you a member of the league and identifies your car to your fans. And yeah, these guys even have fans and groupies after a fashion.

You seem to not have a clue how much we racing - and drifting - fans enjoy seeing the liveries of our fave race heroes unveiled each year when there are changes, and how this is a very cool part of PC games and games like Forza, where we can have that same capability. To create a unique race car with a unique identity. Our car, with our name and our number on the door, hood and possibly window, and our unique paint job. Not someone else's.

I don't think you can foresee how much disappointment and then chaos is going to erupt if we don't have liveries in GT5, when either leagues fight over race cars in the game to choose as their online racing identities, or perhaps even kill the whole idea of any kind of online groups or leagues, save for a stubborn remainder who insist on making something work. And that's something I at least want to see, even if I don't participate in because I just don't have the time to devote to an online club. The online groups are just what I'm looking forward to, as they work on league rules, and develop team colors and select sponsors. And you know it has to be a huge boost to a guy's ego for one of these groups impressed with the work of alba, Loon, me, or any of the guys creating awesome liveries now in the Forza section to design a scheme for their cars.

A Gran Turismo 5 without this aspect of real life racing online will be very disappointing.

Yeah, I can paint up my model cars in Forza 3 and admire them once in a while, but that'll be a pretty shoddy door prize.
 
Just bring back racing modification.

Or at least, give us more liveries for the various cars and keep the modifications of normal road cars to performance and then wings and wheels.
 
And the opposite could be said... want liveries? Go play Forza. And leave the REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR as it is for those who love it for it.

We the guys who don't say that "I want liveries or the games fails", or at least me, don't want the game NOT to have it. We just don't care much for it and have other (driviving and simulation related) priorities.

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well im not one of those guys who says that the game fails because there isn't a livery... i could careless about a livery...

YOU don't have to go anywhere near the Livery if you dont like... or customize/personalize your car or tune your car in anyway, shape of form...

the "SIMULATION" is there already... go race the Tayota ONE, the GTR, or the Mclrn 1... or whatever cars out of the 1000.

i just don't see any-way a good customization or personalization aspect would hurt the driving aspect of GT for you virtual Michael Schumachers.

again livery in GT5 is unlikely... dose that make it a bad game... not in a million years... i still love GT... i just hope there are more Tuning options and a bit more visual upgrade such as kits, wheel and tires... and i hope that you can change the Size of the both wheels and tires... wheel and tire size plays a MAJOR factor on the cars handling.

im sure the performance and tuning part is going to be as good as the other GT games but Swaps would be nice too... PLEASE PD... let me put a 4G in my AE86... :ouch:
 
A Gran Turismo 5 without this aspect of real life racing online will be very disappointing.
I kind of overstated this just a scouche.

While the game won't be disappointing, online racing will be gimped quite a bit. I remember finding out in GT4 that race mod was still absent. That smarted for a few minutes. Then every time I thought about how cool it would be to race mod one of my 240SXs or Supras, it slapped me in the back of my head that I couldn't.

And that's what it's going to be like in GT5 if we don't have that racer's and drifter's paint shop. Offline gaming will still rock, but that absence is going to stick in my craw, and it's going to squash a bunch of online leagues and push them to PC games, just like Forza's 8 car races did to many of them.
 
I'm glad you re-stated your point, beacuse I was going to say you were being very exagerared. At the least ;)

What you just said now, that makes good sense and is a respectable opinion. But allow me to think otherwise and feel that a high level of costumization is not _that_ mandatory and that the game will succeed very well without it.
 
While true that GT5 will succeed and sell incredibly well with just the customizations from GT4, that's hardly saying much about the quality and depth of the game.

GT1, 2, 3 and 4 sold in ridiculous numbers. So obviously based on that and gamer reception, we don't need in GT5:
  • Improved graphics over the level achieved by GT4
  • Improved physics and sound
  • Improved bot A.I.
  • More than 6 cars per race
  • Photo Mode, or at least improved Photo Mode
  • Online play
  • Drifting
  • Weather
  • Night racing
  • Damage
  • Any new cars and tracks
Amirite? ;)
 
well put. I'm hoping for customization level of forza 3 at the least. Unfortunately, I don't think it will happen...
 
As I said, priorities. "Serious mods", then "dress-up mods" 👍 :cheers:

But... going deeper in to the topic "When enough is enough", I'd say people driving cars with penises painted on would make GT look like a "ricer" game, and not a "serious" simulator.

So I wouldn't expect too much freedom on that area. That's what I think will happen if it happens, and also what I wish for. To be restricted to "personalization" or "no pimpin' allowed".

I've put some serious time into Forza, never seen a penis ON a car yet.

Now inside that's a different matter........
 
GT5 should have at least a wider, more customizable wheel and wing section at the very least. Balancing tire size is one of the most significant ways to change the balance of a car, and yet we can't do it. Changing wing height and width should be optional, as well as end plate depth. There's no reason not to allow hood modification, fender vents, diffusers, etc. for downforce purposes.

As for liveries, is there any reason against them beyond "I don't care"? At a time attack event, when was the last time you saw the fastest car running in its factory paint?

It's like real life. If it looks like a clown car, the driver probably is one too. All the easier for you to crush him..
 
The reason for liveries to personalise your cars if you so choose. You can run the stock colour if you wish or you can make it look like one of the thousands of race cars in the world or just give it a cool paint job.

I really don't see why people are against customisation in a game, if anything it's just another added feature that makes GT stand out.
 
The reason for liveries to personalise your cars if you so choose. You can run the stock colour if you wish or you can make it look like one of the thousands of race cars in the world or just give it a cool paint job.

I really don't see why people are against customisation in a game, if anything it's just another added feature that makes GT stand out.

Well said, seems like people want skidmarks but no livery editor, their having a laugh.
 
I've put some serious time into Forza, never seen a penis ON a car yet.

Now inside that's a different matter........

:lol:

This whole penises thing has gotten out of hand. I only made a reference to it for a joke, because it's the sort of thing you see them do on Top Gear when they get hold of some spray paint :lol:
 
if the word RICER is the main term people use on here... then GT4 is BIG TIME RICER... you can put some cheesy rims on your car and a BIIGGGG ASS wing on the back... thats a RICER.

that's another mistake GT makes... they put in Mines, Spoon, Nismo and all these PRE-Tuned cars and call it a day... i don't want that... you can take those cars out of the game in exchange for some customization parts....

give me a blank canvas to work on... don't give me the Top Secret S15 Silva... im sick of that car or those Yellow and Blue Spoon Honda's or the White Mine's Evos or GTRs with the little Blue race decal...

Give me a Blank Canvas to work with... at least give some sort of "paint shop" so that i can change the color of my used car and more in depth Wheel and Tire size...
 
I'm going to be negative here and state that there probably isn't going to be a really in-depth customization system.

Seems to me that if there was, they would have mentioned it by now.

I realize they've been quite tight-lipped about everything, but if they mentioned Day/Night cycles, don't you think they'd mention Customization?

I think a lot of people probably care about Customization as much as, if not more than, Day/Night cycles.
 
if the word RICER is the main term people use on here... then GT4 is BIG TIME RICER... you can put some cheesy rims on your car and a BIIGGGG ASS wing on the back... thats a RICER.

Um, no. You're obviously clueless.
 
I'm going to be negative here and state that there probably isn't going to be a really in-depth customization system.

Seems to me that if there was, they would have mentioned it by now.

I realize they've been quite tight-lipped about everything, but if they mentioned Day/Night cycles, don't you think they'd mention Customization?

I think a lot of people probably care about Customization as much as, if not more than, Day/Night cycles.

IIRC, didn't KY make mention of the fact that customization is going to be more "in-depth" than GT4? Of course, relatively speaking, the same customization system as GT4 had with the addition of changing your car's paint color could be argued to be more "in-depth", but I digress...

Fingers crossed for engine and drivetrain swaps.
 
Drivetrain and engine swaps I seriously DOUBT will be in. Maybe race engine swaps from touring cars to street cars but more than that is not gonna happen.
 
I want performance tweaking akin to what NFS Underground 2 had and a livery editor. And probably adjustable wheel sizes. Anything else I'm not particularly bothered without.
 
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Here are my total points of view on how good customization will be.

1 - Kaz, in an interview, has told us everything you can possibly imagine on a car can be upgraded, including bumpers, spoilers rims

2 - Concept by GT wont be cars added to the car count of GT5, (I really doubt it), and the seem to be clear representation of cars modified within GT5, e.g upped bhp, and the traditional rims and spoiler upgrade, aswell as bumper/bodykits

3 - Livery editor was confirmed for GT:HD, it was coming before, and anyway it seems they've been using it themselves for cars like the tuned 370z in TT or... (look at the mini and civic in the attached picture)

4 - A sony rep did say theres a lot of features the demo isnt showing the will keep people occupied for time to come..

For everyone worried about having a livery editor, please understand that it wont be necessary for you to use it in order to play the bloody game.
 

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Drivetrain and engine swaps I seriously DOUBT will be in. Maybe race engine swaps from touring cars to street cars but more than that is not gonna happen.

I am seriously dissapointed in this. A couple of weeks ago I asked this question in the general disscussion thread. A kind gentleman called Jay told me that this was confirmed. I politely thanked him and said how I was new to GT and that 1000 cars plus endless custom combos is what this game is all about.
My point being that as a noob and believing another members info has backfired on me. I genuinly thought this was implimented and now feel deflated.

Lesson learned people talk false or wwhat they wish to have as fact.
 
I am seriously dissapointed in this. A couple of weeks ago I asked this question in the general disscussion thread. A kind gentleman called Jay told me that this was confirmed. I politely thanked him and said how I was new to GT and that 1000 cars plus endless custom combos is what this game is all about.
My point being that as a noob and believing another members info has backfired on me. I genuinly thought this was implimented and now feel deflated.

Lesson learned people talk false or wwhat they wish to have as fact.

I think people are just getting a little excited about things that have not been explicitly confirmed or denied yet. From all (admittedly vague) accounts we can get, customization will be very involved as compared to previous GT titles. I personally haven't seen anything confirming engine swaps et al.
 
Cheers mate I only got a bit vexed because in my understanding it was 100% in.

Oh well back to crossed fingers.
 
To clarify Kaz has so far said we will have body mods (how in depth we don't know yet), it will be more in depth than GT4 (how much more in depth we don't know), that every part of the car is customisable (in exactley what sense we don't know yet) and that he wants and expects to include engine swaps.

Kaz did mention engine swaps but it has been a while, plans can change and we haven't heared anything since so we'll just have to wait and see I guess.
 
To clarify Kaz has so far said we will have body mods (how in depth we don't know yet), it will be more in depth than GT4 (how much more in depth we don't know), that every part of the car is customisable (in exactley what sense we don't know yet) and that he wants and expects to include engine swaps.

Kaz did mention engine swaps but it has been a while, plans can change and we haven't heared anything since so we'll just have to wait and see I guess.

He talked about body mods more recently though, I wish I saved the interview to my favourites it was an interesting one
 
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