The next tuner challenge..

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Well I posted my "opinions" of each car and how I "think" they should place. Obviously it's up to Kent who gets the final cooky and juice drink so for now my work is done on FFs. Of course I'm willing to discuss with other judges in the Judge's thread about each car.

And Rotary Junkie, I don't know how you made the Pug the fastest, because it's slowest for me, and I think I drove every other car faster than you.
 
It's not the fastest... Just the nicest for me.

With comfort comes speed. Mafs' car ate it, as did mine, but mine's too damn twitchy and oversteery, whereas his is too understeery and wheelspin-prone to do well. Power and only power saved those beasts.

And yes, the 40.251 is CORRECT for the Pug.
 
I thought Kent wanted the overall feel, handling and fun factor etc, or best car for Touge driving so thats what I aimed for not necessarily laptimes. I believe he said "Sector times are not as important as handling, tune for the best handling". As far as the review it doesnt even sound like my car.., Well pretty much sounds like the opposite but if you got the settings right and it felt that way to you I guess thats cool. 👍
 
And yet the laptimes followed... Comfort is something I definitely overlooked in the Integra, and I regret it. My RSX TS-R converted to S3s would have done much better.
 
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I thought Kent wanted the overall feel, handling and fun factor etc, or best car for Touge driving so thats what I aimed for not necessarily laptimes. As far as the review, that doesnt even sound like my car. Well pretty much sounds like the opposite but if you got the settings right and it felt that way I guess thats cool. 👍
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If you read my posts in the judge's thread you will find I didn't find it all that comfortable, and speed was certainly to play a part this time.

Edit: I think your M3 will stand to gain much more repsect than this.
 
It seems that Soprano's car just... I don't know, it's just me.

It's far from slow, and corners well... I don't know... It's just my kind of car.

Wait, yes I do... We're both from the same area of Michigan. He fell in love with it. I did the same. You're just psycho from being upside-down all your life. :p
 
Wow my gears are really short actually. That was a essential part of the build for me. The whole build is rally inspired. For my next competition maybe I should lay out my specs better.., I dont know.
 
About all your car needs is a visit to the diff tuner and maybe slightly more suspension work as well...

You've shown me the potential of that little French hatch...
 
Rotary Junkie
Primera's an autoset 3 too. ;)
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I had it autoset 7. :p But you got it on 3, that's fine with me. :D

Yeah, I couldn't shake the understeer out of the mongrel, that was my problem. Tried SO many different camber/toe/spring combos, I felt that was the best compromise between speed, handling and laptimes. I never knew a BTCC car as being comfortable either. :lol: So in saying that, you guys knowing this was an all or nothing car, I guess it came up with nothing eh. :sick:

Atleast I got 2nd on the T1 split times (and I reckon you drove like a girl in getting that time too!! :p) but not good enough for something with 290hp, I wanted domination in that sector. :grumpy:

*added bit* Atleast Holdenboy can drive.....39.5's from my car was impressive even to me. :eek:
 
Soft rear springs mean oversteer, stiff rear springs mean understeer. :p

Note Integra. Too soft out back, too much oversteer.
 
You will never beat my Accord Coupe :sly: I am really confused how RJ got over half a second quicker in the Peugeot, where I got half a second to even a full second quicker in everything else. I smell something foul a-foot.
 
Up to T1 it was bad for it, after T1 it was perfect for it. :O Through the twisty section after T1 I could get it sideways, but partly that's thanks to the camber of the corners.

I dunno with that one, might stick to the strip with it, we'll see how the less powerful but quicker Silvia does. That I KNOW has next to zero wheelspin unless you're really overcooking it.

While this is judging is all happening, I'm actually doing no nitrous runs on the 1/4 with some of the cars in the field slapping R5's and a tiny bit of TCS to them, just to get some times up on the no nitrous board. :) Anything that runs 9s fully worked without nitrous will get Top 10 IMO. :)
 
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You will never beat my Accord Coupe :sly: I am really confused how RJ got over half a second quicker in the Peugeot, where I got half a second to even a full second quicker in everything else. I smell something foul a-foot.
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Excuse me but didnt you rate your car the best out of your reviews. Your review sound bogus, I hate to say. I dont know ill win but I didnt build the car to loose and I can accept it wont be the best but if you can follow the directions on my spec sheet you shouldnt have anything negative to say about this car. Besides the fact that its not the flat out fastest, but Kent said laptimes are not more important than the handling factor and this is were my car succeeds.


Edit: Maybe I should have registered as a judge so I can give my vehicles an upper hand in the competition by putting them in first place in each comp.
 
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Excuse me but didnt you rate your car the best out of your reviews. Your review sound bogus, I hate to say. I dont know ill win but I didnt build the car to loose and I can accept it wont be the best but if you can follow the directions on my spec sheet you shouldnt have anything negative to say about this car. Besides the fact that its not the flat out fastest, but Kent said laptimes are not more important than the handling factor and this is were my car succeeds.


Edit: Maybe I should have registered as a judge so I can give my vehicles an upper hand in the competition by putting them in first place in each comp.
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Atleast you've got a 1st from a judge Soprano!! I've been bagged from pillar to post from these two and I'm expecting 3/3 from Kent!! :lol: I don't care, already said it openly and PM to 1 judge....it's a British Touring Car, being user friendly aren't options with those cars, it's all or nothing. :trouble:
 
User friendly? If it handles half decent, it's user friendly.

If it's an understeery pig, it isn't.

If it's an Arab Drifter (r), it isn't.

Soprano's 206 fits the bill nicely.
 
mafia_boy I suppose your right I just dont understand how his Pug is completely different from mines. But the competition is far from over so hang in there maf.
 
I told you already. They're upside down, as is their thinking! :p :dopey:

I'm tired to the point that my average cornering speed has dropped by 5mph, 10 in some corners, and I STILL can't get enough of that damn Pug, especially after a few tweaks I did to make it better for myself. Too nice... Pull the PS2 plug on me now...
 
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lol.., Yea driving upside down can be.., well unresponsive and boring:lol:
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You need to get off your high horse buddy. Rememeber before your LSD was added my Accord was 1st in RJ's mind too, now it's second. But I'm telling you your car is not what you think it is. It understeers, it's unresponsive, and you really ought to accept it. I'm, sure that if the other judges do it right they will agree (i.e. not basing their results on who has the least wheelspin) I followed the judging criteria very carefully, so get over it.

PS- Remember, who wins is up to Kent. Not the average or total of scores, so you can't give yourself an upper hand. I will now wait and hope for every judge to bag your car just for your little display here.
 
I dont believe im on a hi-horse. Im not the one who voted my own entry better than everyone elses. I stated before that I dont know if im going to win but I didnt come to lose. All I (RJ as well) have done was disagree with your review stating that my version doesnt handle anything like yours. If you read my original entry post commenting about the 206 you will see how enthused I was about this car and its rally car like function was intriguing. That makes two people who have two opposite views against yours. I have not insulted you like youve done me and I have strictly followed Kents descretion and I believe youve just crossed the line of "keeping it clean" with the previous post and your earlier statement assuming somthing was "foul". It should look obvious to all that your pretty upset that the 206RC knocked you and your Accord off your high-horse. Iam not worried because ive broken no rules and have simply stated my kind opinions and suggestions. Thank You...
 
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You need to get off your high horse buddy. Rememeber before your LSD was added my Accord was 1st in RJ's mind too, now it's second. But I'm telling you your car is not what you think it is. It understeers, it's unresponsive, and you really ought to accept it. I'm, sure that if the other judges do it right they will agree (i.e. not basing their results on who has the least wheelspin) I followed the judging criteria very carefully, so get over it.

PS- Remember, who wins is up to Kent. Not the average or total of scores, so you can't give yourself an upper hand. I will now wait and hope for every judge to bag your car just for your little display here.
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Woah. Holy **** and cool off.

Yes, his car did poorly without the LSD. Then I fixed MY error and the car turned out to be perfect.

Now then... You're telling him that HIS car understeers, it's unresponsive, and that he should accept that fact. Hmm... You DO realize that you are sounding more and more biased, correct?

You obviously couldn't detect the DRIPPING sarcasm when he said that, either, could you?


Jeez. Cool off. He doesn't find his car to exhibit the traits you claim it does. I don't either. It almost seems as though you're attempting to sway the judging in your Accord's favor by slamming the Peugeot because it beat the Accord in my testing.

I was fair towards my own car; it's quite ****. But now the time has come to be fair with yourself man. Think hard and long... Is your car truly BETTER in any category other than maybe outright speed compared to any of the others you graded well? Are those you graded poorly REALLY that bad?

~Kyle.

EDIT: Seems Soprano is a bit quicker on the draw and better with words than I am.
 
Oh I get it, so if my car happens to be better I should vote it last anyway. I am quite certain my car is better, and my "version" is your version LOL, that's the point of this, to test other's cars. I can't wait for more judges to come along, maybe you guys are not the best of drivers to realise the Peugeot's faults, you just think, ooh, it doesn't have wheelspin, that makes it easy to drive. And oh yeah, I haven't broken the rules, plus I had my judging done before RJ posted his updates. I consider being called a cheater as a fairly large insult, so don't do it again.
 
Ive never called you a cheater bro why would you preassume that? I have still not insulted you once and im not tempted so just chill out because your obviously angree about something.
 
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I dont believe im on a hi-horse. Im not the one who voted my own entry better than everyone elses.
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No, of course, you haven't called me a cheater. Here's the unresponsiveness I was talking about, most notable in the sweeping right-hander before the hairpin. No matter how I vary the throttle in that corner your car just keeps plowing on along the same line, then when I hit the brakes (keep in mind I'm already turning on this corner) your car suddenly straightens up for at least half a second, before deciding that it will turn like I've been telling it to the whole time. So yeah, I call that unresponsive. Perhaps I shouldn't judge RWD, because I won't be able to fault my ASL either. People will go- ooh, he built a good car but he ranked it well himself so he must be biased (cheating). Just because I'm building good cars doesn't mean I'm cheating. 4 podiums inlcuding a 1st in VTC out of 5 divisions shows I'm good tuner, as most points were picked up on improvement over stock.

Edit: Kent, you just lost a judge for RWD if you even care.
 
You can do what you want bro I couldnt careless anymore. Youve taken the fun out of the whole experience. Good luck in the rest of the competition 👍
 
Jeez, this has exploded beyond what it should have.

There's not a problem with ranking your own car first IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE IT IS THE BEST. However, there IS a problem if you are degrading others' cars to make yours look better.
 
now now kids, behave. If the quality of discussion doesn't rise, Kent might as well wrap things up if it causes bad blood between the competitors. it's just a game based competition, no need to get worked up over it.
 
A game based competition that has led to personality accusations which is serious. I still see the Peugeot as worst. And I do believe my car is better, but seeing as you guys never believe me on anything, I don't give 2 monkey's droppings anymore- you can have your precious competition all to yourself.
 
look, his opinion is different from yours, and all you guys need to do is prove why you think so. as I said earlier, it's just a game, and it's ridiculous, not to mention childish to pull tantrums for it.
 

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