The Political Cartoon/Image/Meme Thread

[McLaren]

Because it involves watching a bunch of mindnumbing opinion videos. Kinda the opposite of what this thread is about.

Imagine my "surprise" to find out for the 1,000,000th time, a right-wing talking point is propped up by a source worse than right-wing news media; a YouTuber with a blatantly obvious point on the political spectrum with his videos. In this case:

Paul Joseph Watson is an English YouTube personality, radio host, writer and conspiracy theorist. He has been described as "alt-right" and "far-right" by multiple sources. Although as late as July 2016 he called himself alt-right, he no longer accepts that label and considers himself part of the New Right.

I guess when the mainstre... I'm sorry, the fake news, super-conspiracy overlords organization... media doesn't support any of your outlandish views, you have to resort to this bull**** that heavily relies on discrediting opposing views through deflection, out-of-context information, & fake outrage.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Yeah, uhh, hate to break it too you, but...
https://theconversation.com/unearthed-soviet-holocaust-films-remind-us-to-be-vigilant-22455
That picture was from some of the very first footage depicting the holocaust taken by the Soviets back in 1941.
That picture literally is Nazi's standing over a mass grave filled with murdered Jewish people. You can spin it however you want it bud, but you can't say that the picture has nothing to do with Nazis, no matter what stupid text you put over it, or whatever website you took it from. Stop erasing history!

Roasted!

 

[Sander 001]

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

That's a bit different. The military is funded by the government through taxpayer money, where as USPS is getting money from consumers for providing services and supplies.

So yes USPS can be turning a loss when they have more expenses than revenue, much like any service business.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

That's a bit different. The military is funded by the government through taxpayer money, where as USPS is getting money from consumers for providing services and supplies.

So yes USPS can be turning a loss when they have more expenses than revenue, much like any service business.

Yeah, but I think they need congressional approval to raise rates. So it is kind of trapped as a socialist organisation.

 

[VBR]

Roasted!

Indeed! If you mess up, fess up. 👍


Back on topic...

Spoiler: What's a Kafka Trap?

A Kafka Trap is when your denial of an unfalsifiable accusation is claimed to be proof of guilt. This is then used against you psychologically...


https://www.thedailybell.com/all-articles/editorials/wendy-mcelroy-beware-of-kafkatrapping/

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122

https://lifelessons.co/critical-thinking/kafkatrapping/


White Fragility is the best selling & hugely influential book by Robin DiAngelo, which has been heavily criticized by many for doing this.



I wonder how many people have been Kafkatrapped into becoming "allies"...

 

[UKMikey]

These criticisms of Obama by Fox News haven't aged well...

 

[HenrySwanson]

In response to calls for action over George Floyd's murder by those sworn to protect, people bring up legitimate police shootings, black-on-black violence, the victim's own shady past, mask and social distancing mandates purportedly disregarded in favor of assembly and protest, Uighur Muslims in China and the senseless slaying of a 5-year-old white boy.

They even bring up the broadly similar killing of Tony Timpa because his being white purportedly shoots down the notion that black people are more likely to be victimized by the people who are supposed to be protecting them. But the Timpa situation highlights a culture that keeps bad actors from being held accountable. There was no bystander-shot video of Timpa's murder. It's taken years for Timpa's family to get a clear picture of how and why he was killed by the people responding to the 911 call that he himself made. What people don't talk about when bringing up Timpa is his own criminal record, his battles with substance abuse and his history of mental illness. They don't talk about these things because they're not actually relevant, and yet they talk about Floyd's past because it somehow is. Except it isn't

I don't think people are saying there shouldn't be action against police brutality - rather they're questioning why there aren't similar (in terms of volume) calls for action against, for example (taken from your list) China over their possible genocidal actions.

 

[UKMikey]

I don't think people are saying there shouldn't be action against police brutality - rather they're questioning why there aren't similar (in terms of volume) calls for action against, for example (taken from your list) China over their possible genocidal actions.

I wonder about their motives for doing so. It really sounds like in complaining about the supposed lack of support for causes they're seemingly doing nothing to support themselves, they've chosen this moment to question the one cause they don’t support instead. If they're really concerned about promoting those other causes, why not just go out and do it?

Are they saying there should be less action against police brutality or that all causes should be supported equally, and if the latter, what are they doing themselves to positively drive that change?

 

[TexRex]

I don't think people are saying there shouldn't be action against police brutality - rather they're questioning why there aren't similar (in terms of volume) calls for action against, for example (taken from your list) China over their possible genocidal actions.

'Kay.

 

[HenrySwanson]

I wonder about their motives for doing so. It really sounds like in complaining about the supposed lack of support for causes they're seemingly doing nothing to support themselves, they've chosen this moment to question the one cause they don’t support instead. If they're really concerned about promoting those other causes, why not just go out and do it?

Are they saying there should be less action against police brutality or that all causes should be supported equally, and if the latter, what are they doing themselves to positively drive that change?

I dunno since I can't speak for others but with the UK movement of BLM I can't see why I should go out and protest on their behalf while I just ignore other far more egregious infringements on civil rights (that those protesters seemingly* ignore).

* as in I don't see the similar outrage, though there are exceptions

 

[UKMikey]

I dunno since I can't speak for others but with the UK movement of BLM I can't see why I should go out and protest on their behalf while I just ignore other far more egregious infringements on civil rights (that those protesters seemingly * ignore).

* as in I don't see the similar outrage, though there are exceptions

I wasn't really suggesting you should above. But instead of complaining about those who do, why not support the causes you believe in instead? Why do people feel the need to show up anti-police brutality protesters as hypocrites if not because they're opposed to their cause and want them to stop?

I'd suggest anti-brutality protesters feel they have more to fear from unjust policing in their own countries than genocidal regimes in others and probably disagree with your priorities.

 

[TexRex]

I dunno since I can't speak for others but with the UK movement of BLM I can't see why I should go out and protest on their behalf while I just ignore other far more egregious infringements on civil rights (that those protesters seemingly * ignore).

* as in I don't see the similar outrage, though there are exceptions

But you're not going out to protest on behalf of those other egregious infringements. No, you sat on your ass and brought up rates of justified police shootings in response to complaints of excessive force which are, by their very nature because such an effort is made to conceal them and protect the perpetrators, not accounted for in the same manner. This is deflection and it's dishonest.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Gonna reply in the George Floyd thread.

 

[TexRex]

Gonna reply in the George Floyd thread.

Why? The topic isn't George Floyd. It's deflection facilitated by memers. It fits this thread perfectly.

 

[TexRex]

Apologies for the double post, but quotes and tags in edits don't send out notifications to the individual quoted and/or tagged.

Responding to remarks in the relevant thread as the discussion focuses on deflection, which has been aided by the use of memes and/or images, rather than on George Floyd protests.

Yes but I'm not a hypocrite.

By citing others not protesting against that which you're not protesting against, you're holding others to a standard to which you don't hold yourself.

[Good grief, that was packed with errors in communication. Edit to fix.]

I'm not protesting about systemic racism or signing petitions against people who profited from slavery while simultaneously placing an order with boohoo

I'm not clicking that blind link because I suspect it's another attempt at deflection, of which you have demonstrated a propensity. If you you do think it's relevant, I invite you to make a genuine effort to establish its relevance by citing its contents directly and forming a cogent argument.

* I'm not saying those motivated by the George Floyd incident shouldn't protest - that's their right. However I don't see a problem with people calling them out as hypocrites.

The problem is that their protesting one thing and not protesting another doesn't make them hypocrites. They may or may not be hypocrites, but citing this behavior doesn't itself substantiate the allegation.

I suspect you mean to suggest there's a double standard at play. There may or may not be, but the allegation isn't substantiated by citing people actively protesting against something and not actively protesting against another.

** Also the evidence regarding police shootings was to provide information on the debate about institutional racism in the police in America

Yep...deflection. Citing shootings, whether or not they're justified, doesn't itself support or contradict the notion that there exists institutional racism, however it does deflect from the issue of police brutality and a culture that protects perpetrators from being held accountable.

 

[Sander 001]

 

[TexRex]

Paws are too big, Bill.

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[McLaren]

I dunno since I can't speak for others but with the UK movement of BLM I can't see why I should go out and protest on their behalf while I just ignore other far more egregious infringements on civil rights (that those protesters seemingly* ignore).

* as in I don't see the similar outrage, though there are exceptions

 

[Spacegoat]

 

[Sander 001]

 

[HenrySwanson]

By citing others not protesting against that which you're not protesting against, you're holding others to a standard to which you don't hold yourself.

[Good grief, that was packed with errors in communication. Edit to fix.]

Not really.

I'm not protesting because I'm lazy and instead give to charities as equally as I can.

The people who are protesting are evidently not as lazy as me, but are choosing (at a high volume) to protest only one cause (wholly based on what we see that is - who knows they could be protesting against modern slavery but it's not making the news).

I'm not clicking that blind link because I suspect it's another attempt at deflection, of which you have demonstrated a propensity. If you

you do think it's relevant, I invite you to make a genuine effort to establish its relevance by citing its contents directly and forming a cogent argument.

Oh that's a link to the Independent providing context to what boohoo was found to have done in the UK (since you're American I presumed you hadn't heard of it)

The problem is that their protesting one thing and not protesting another doesn't make them hypocrites. They may or may not be hypocrites, but citing this behavior doesn't itself substantiate the allegation.

I suspect you mean to suggest there's a double standard at play. There may or may not be, but the allegation isn't substantiated by citing people actively protesting against something and not actively protesting against another.

Ehhh, I dunno.

The same swings back to people who say "All lives matter" and then say we should be turning away migrants crossing the Channel.

Ditto the people who say we need to "protect our Christian heritage" while not recognising what Christ would do in the same situation.

Yep...deflection. Citing shootings, whether or not they're justified, doesn't itself support or contradict the notion that there exists institutional racism, however it does deflect from the issue of police brutality and a culture that protects perpetrators from being held accountable.

Errrr, I think it can be used to support/contradict as there are numerous studies that focus on shootings to support the notion of racial bias. Like I said to Scaff I would dig deeper and look at use of force and complaints against police departments by race but I never got round to it.

As in, what makes BLM so special to draw my attention. Why should I care about a guy in America dying from police brutality.

 

[UKMikey]

As in, what makes BLM so special to draw my attention.

Once again, nobody is saying it's special enough to warrant your or @VolkswagenX's valuable attention as it's not all about you personally, but what motivates you to devote so much effort towards disparaging what other people do with their spare time?

Why should I care about a guy in America dying from police brutality.

Since when was police brutality a purely US concern?

 

[DesertPenguin]

Once again, nobody is saying you or @VolkswagenX should as it's not all about you personally, but what motivates you to devote so much effort towards disparaging what other people do with their spare time? Also, since when was police brutality a purely US concern?

It's not and he would see this clearly if he stepped outside of his own bubble that only spoon-feeds him what he wants to know/hear.

 

[VolkswagenX]

 

[Joey D]

Imagine being this useless at your job:

 

[JKgo]

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"Thousands of fishermen get paid thousands of cents. They could've been strippers."

 

[McLaren]

As in, what makes BLM so special to draw my attention. Why should I care about a guy in America dying from police brutality.

I believe you've said you're from the UK, right? If so, you should probably care b/c your country appears to have a history of it as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qj4j8x/remembering-police-brutality-victims-uk

 

[Chrunch Houston]

I don't think this is quite as funny as the Trump video above, but it's still pretty funny.

 

[JKgo]

I don't think this is quite as funny as the Trump video above, but it's still pretty funny.

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"It bears repeating: Nathaniel, Nathaniel, Nathaniel."