The Red Bull Civil War

Hmmm - I'm pretty sure cars Don't go into Parc Ferme until the beginning of Q1... - not at the end of FP3... the hint is generally in the title - "Free Practice"

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yeti
Hmmm - I'm pretty sure cars Don't go into Parc Ferme until the beginning of Q1... - not at the end of FP3... the hint is generally in the title - "Free Practice"

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Yup, the rule is "from the start of qualifying, all cars are in parc ferme conditions" which is purely to prevent qualifying-only spec cars.

Red Bull had 2 hours from the end of FP3 to decide what they wanted to do.
 
Thats a bit better PR from Red Bull than last time but anyone would be very silly to think this issue is dead and done with. The fact an indicator of favouritism happened again after Turkey says it all.
 
I understand time constraints can be a major pain here and there, but shouldn't the factor of "We'll give Driver A x and y, as opposed to Driver B because A has more points" something that should be discussed and established from the get-go? I mean, it isn't really much of a conversation...it's simply "We're in it to win it, and whoever appears to have the better chance of winning after x amount of races will be outfitted with performance enhancements."

It's great that the air has been "cleared" and all, but honestly Red Bull is bringing this on themselves...and practically any other team that doesn't settle these types of situations BEFORE they occur, not after.
 
ROAD_DOGG33J
So how long did it take them to figure out how they can cool off the media?
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And after all that work, they had 1 day.


The only way he could make the favoritism more clear is by saying "I'm favoring Vettel." Actually...that might be less clear.
 
What a shame, but I would like to point out two critical points of interest...

Did Mark have the defective spark plug in Bahrain, the loose wheel in Australia, the broken brake disc in Barcelona, the defective chassis in Monte Carlo, the transmission problems in Montreal and now the broken wing at Silverstone?"
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This rather snide and frankly unnecessary remark says more negative about the RB6 chassis as opposed to trying to place blame on Webber. I'm starting to think everyone at Red Bull except Newey, Vettel, and Webber are just a bunch of loud mouth idiots. I don't know whether to laugh, or just shake my head...wondering what Mark is going to do next.

"Mark is having a great season, and has also improved big time, but he should not forget that he owes much of this to the team.

"Where was he two years ago?

"Then he could not even dream of grand prix victories. Today, we have given him a car that he can win on his own."
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A valid point, you know, when you don't consider the variables involved in finishing first, second, third, or even fourth. The point here being is that really something you'd want on record for the driver in question to read (who has quite the possibility of winning the championship for himself AND the team) and then suddenly decide he doesn't want to win for a bunch of two-faced asshats?

I mean, come on, who the hell is running the PR for this team?

Pfft. Why wait until next week, 🤬 is already hitting the fan.
 
Helmut seems to have forgotten that it was Mark who helped get the team where it is today, two years ago he was beating Coulthard and leading the team. 👎
He sounds barking mad to be frank, conspiracy against Vettel? :lol:

I have to say Horner is the biggest loser out of all this, his bosses are making such idiotic comments and his drivers are not helping. I'm glad I'm not him.
 
Oh lord, but I think this story is getting worse than McLaren 2007, here we have one side of the management managing to cool down the situation for a day only for another side of the management to fan the flames! One could say it should be a battle of Horner versus Marko rather than the drivers :lol:.

Marko is either a genius for knowing how to keep the publicity going or a moron for actually believing what he is saying.
 
Good lord, if he's claiming those things amount to reverse favouritism then he's essentially claiming that they made Vettel's car with worse parts and/or outright dangerously.

If I was Vettel and I thought that comment was in anyway not just sour grapes I'd be pretty scared. What will they break on his car next?
 
ROAD_DOGG33J
At least it's not Alonso in Webber's position. That would produce some real drama.
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True, but if the circumstances were the same, then, for once I wouldn't refer to Alonso in a negative light when he's talking for whatever reason. :lol:

I can't really remember, wasn't Webber with Red Bull two years ago?
Helmut seems to have forgotten that it was Mark who helped get the team where it is today, two years ago he was beating Coulthard and leading the team.
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Well, that answers that. Way to go, Helmut - way to go. Nice way to put the team down (and the chassis) twice at two totally different points in time. You, sir, are a champion. 👎
 
Imari
Good lord, if he's claiming those things amount to reverse favouritism then he's essentially claiming that they made Vettel's car with worse parts and/or outright dangerously.

If I was Vettel and I thought that comment was in anyway not just sour grapes I'd be pretty scared. What will they break on his car next?
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I'd just like to point out thats rediculous. Why on earth would the team sabotage Vettel's car? Not to mention Mark is currently driving one of Vettel's old chassis. And that last year Mark had the share of the failures.
Marko has just started questions that will split the team. Do Red Bull management even know how to run a team and its public relations?
 
Wow. I don't even know what to say. Who in their right mind would purposely fault the chassis by pointing out faults (mostly driver errors) and then attempt to pin that on another teammate? Last I checked, Webber wasn't a member of the pit crew. He doesn't change his own tires, he doesn't change Vettel's tires. He's doing nothing but making the chassis and for that matter the entire team seem immensely amateur. Is he purposely trying to drive a wedge between Vettel and Webber, or is he just trying to attract publicity in the single most worst way possible?
 
Terronium-12
Wow. I don't even know what to say. Who in their right mind would purposely fault the chassis by pointing out faults (mostly driver errors) and then attempt to pin that on another teammate?
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What?

He just said that because of all these faults, if anything Webber should suspect the team of favoring him.
 
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ROAD_DOGG33J
What?

He just said that because of all these faults, if anything he Webber suspect the team of favoring him.
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No, you kind of missed my point...not his.

My point being why make the chassis sound bad in any light to make it sound like someone else is being favored? That just doesn't make any sense. Not to mention it's contradictory considering he favors Vettel, and then throws out this nonsense for seemingly no reason at all.

Also (boldfaced) what were trying to say there? :p
 
Terronium-12
No, you kind of missed my point...not his.

My point being why make the chassis sound bad in any light to make it sound like someone else is being favored? That just doesn't make any sense. Not to mention it's contradictory considering he favors Vettel, and then throws out this nonsense for seemingly no reason at all.

Also (boldfaced) what were trying to say there? :p
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Too much editting, I originally had he and him.

You made it sound like he was saying that the car's faults were caused by Webber.
 
Ardius
I'd just like to point out thats rediculous. Why on earth would the team sabotage Vettel's car? Not to mention Mark is currently driving one of Vettel's old chassis. And that last year Mark had the share of the failures.
Marko has just started questions that will split the team. Do Red Bull management even know how to run a team and its public relations?
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That was the point. It was a ridiculous thing to say. Random race component failures are not favouritism, it's just the luck of the draw and Vettel happened to lose out this year. So sad, too bad.

Deciding where a single component goes is the definition of favouritism, whether they like it or not. The question is why did they do it? It's obviously better for the driver higher in the rankings to have the better car, but when the gap is 7 points you can't help but think the inevitable backlash will cause them more damage than would have happened by neither driver using it. Even given that Newey wanted usage data on the wing, leaving it on Webber's car would have achieved that with much less drama.

None of which is addressed by Marko, he's too busy taking cheap shots at Webber.
 
ROAD_DOGG33J
Too much editting, I originally had he and him.

You made it sound like he was saying that the car's faults were caused by Webber.
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Oh! I apologize for that (I didn't even realize :lol:).

The point now is what else is going to happen? I really can't imagine...
 

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