Subtle distinction: he is a senior audio lead at PD.Mike Caviezel is senior audio lead at PD now.
He's a great man in this department and was audio lead at Turn 10. (Forza Motorsport series)
Mike Caviezel is senior audio lead at PD now.
He's a great man in this department and was audio lead at Turn 10. (Forza Motorsport series)
Yes, it will be different, but his roles have always been almost "architectural" in nature, so he will be working at the design and organisation level, not the technical level.For once, PD actually took something from Turn 10
Should be interesting though, very curious as to how he'll overlook the use of that new AES system as it definitely won't be the sample based work he used to deal with.
I actually did not expect that
Wow, so PD went and borrowed something from Turn 10. I wonder what else those 2 are bartering
Interesting turn of events I'd say. I wonder if we'll get the brutalness of Forza's engine sounds in GT possibly.
I believe you must be excited 'ey @Griffith500 ?
I don't think Mr. Caviezel was responsible for Forza's eventual "brutalness", rather FM2's excellent fidelity, detail and focus on expression in the car sounds - i.e. it was the last game to have tuning modifications properly reflected in the sound via separate samples. With AES, the vast scope for such modified sounds is well within reach.
Note also that Mike most recently worked for his own "company", not Microsoft.
Not necessarily. Other games have proven that you can do a fantastic job with sound simulation using current sampling techniques and sound generation technology. If done properly they are extremely convincing IMO. The issue with the new method, again IMO, is going to be finding a way to make artificial sounds at least as natural and realistic as current techniques will allow and not sound digitized and "fake". IMO the bar is pretty high already and it remains to be seen if you can take the AES method and create convincing sounds for 1400 cars in a world where comparisons between real life and games are just a couple of button pushes away.
The problem with samples is what happens when you upgrade your car? They are not dynamic like real engines.
That's not a problem with samples. It's a problem with PD including upgrades to the car in the game without recording relevant samples and/or how the sound programming treats the upgrades.
Which is why they need to get radical. Creating perfect samples for 800 or so cars is impossible for them now, which is why this works.
It's far too early to say whether this "works" or not. "Works" of course being defined is closely simluating real car sounds. There isn't a single example of the new sound generation method in full use, just bits and pieces on various cars.
R3E has probably the best sound package of any game as far as I can tell and to me it's very convincing. The gap between it and perfection is awfully small to anyone but a sound engineer micro analyzing every little detail and looking for flaws. GT doesn't need to try something new, it's a choice they are making which may or may not succeed. Much like choosing to rely on VGT for the majority of their GT6 DLC, it's a choice, not a requirement.
I'd be all for it whoever was doing it, so long as it works. I care about results and what I get as the end user, nothing more.
"Works" as in "provides all the cars with a new sound". In regards to accuracy, we have no idea. What we do know is that some of the cars in gt6 are using merely a few or single parameters of the full sound engine, and while still quite behind the competition, they are a big step up. And this is just a very primitive form. It seems very promising if you ask me.
Well there's our fundamental disagreement. You think successful is defined as a "new sample", I think "works" is a convincing and realistic sounding, overall sound package, as good as or better than what their competitors are offering.
Oh no I don't think this at all, I was specifically talking just about AES working better than sampling in regards to delivering new sound to all of the cars. If they sound wrong I will be the first to deem it a failure.
Not sure what you want me to explain. It seems pretty self explanatory.
In context, I was saying that the current samples aren't the problem as it relates to the sound when upgrades are added. The problem is that PD didn't obtain samples of cars in their upgraded state, instead relied on software to do the job, and it didn't do the job very well.
99% of the time I just want to jump in a car, press a few buttons, get on the track and have everything work. Fine tuning sounds to me would be a nice added feature, so long as the stock sounds were accurate. It's something I'd play with when I didn't feel like racing, like adding custom parts, painting cars, VGT cars etc. I don't buy the game to do that stuff, I only do it when I don't feel like tuning/driving/racing.
I cannot, it's not my area of expertise.
What software are they relying on for "upgraded state" samples?
By GT7 it'll sound just fine without touching anything, so you'll not miss those samples. Best not touch the engine when you're tuning, though.
Then how do you know it's possible?
I refer to the sound engine in any game as "sound simulation". They are simulating sound by manipulating samples.
Too many? Or just not a top priority until now?
Maybe, maybe not. We'll have to wait and see. Until then I remain skeptical.
I'm not sure what my lack of knowledge in sound programming has to do with knowing why PD's programming efforts around game upgrades does or doesn't work currently.
GT has always had sounds that varied with upgrades, so: too many.
Skepticism is healthy. No need to be overly conservative, though. It's just a game.
No, I get that you don't understand why your lack of knowledge on a subject should cause you to resist making false statements about that subject as if they were facts.
I think you're just nitpicking. Do I really need to explain that a photo is static. In game sounds are not static. Samples are not just copied and pasted into the game to cover every single situation, that's why they are called samples. Those samples are interpolated into a full range of sounds..hence they simulate sound
So which is it? They used separately recorded samples for the upgrades states or they used some manipulation on the original samples to produce the sounds associated with the upgrades? Or both? Or neither? Explain.
That's a little broad. Can you be more specific? I thought I was pretty clear up above with my thoughts, is there some part of it that needs clarification?
Nope.
