The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread

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Well after reading Darin's full post on his forum I'm very happy that I went with the GT2 and ClubSports!!! It sounds like the Thrustmaster has an awesome wheel but as he states there is no force feedback support with any other PS3 games(Tried Dirt 2 and F1 2010) He says it's only compatible with GT5.

Although I already got the GT2 I was of course wondering how they would compare. It's sounds like the wheel is just awesome while the early report was the ClubSports are the tops. But after hearing it's GT5 only I'm feeling very good about my decision!
 
greekbull
Well after reading Darin's full post on his forum I'm very happy that I went with the GT2 and ClubSports!!! It sounds like the Thrustmaster has an awesome wheel but as he states there is no force feedback support with any other PS3 games(Tried Dirt 2 and F1 2010) He says it's only compatible with GT5.

Although I already got the GT2 I was of course wondering how they would compare. It's sounds like the wheel is just awesome while the early report was the ClubSports are the tops. But after hearing it's GT5 only I'm feeling very good about my decision!
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It's not GT5 only, they just haven't finished the firmware for the PC yet. It is fully capable on the PC as well. From their facebook page, it seems as though the update will be available within a few weeks. Also...from Darin's post on his forum, he said it was a step above from anything that either logitech and fanatec have put out. Looking forward to seeing the video when it's done! ;)
 
Shecki
It's not GT5 only, they just haven't finished the firmware for the PC yet. It is fully capable on the PC as well. From their facebook page, it seems as though the update will be available within a few weeks. Also...from Darin's post on his forum, he said it was a step above from anything that either logitech and fanatec have put out. Looking forward to seeing the video when it's done! ;)
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Here is his exact quote "The wheel has no force feedback with Dirt 2 and F1 2010 on the PS3. It does work and has a center spring that's hardware related.. But there's no force feedback. Currently it seems only compatible with GT5."

So while it's working with the other games on PS3 there is no Force Feedback. It's sounding like the wheel is not getting alot of attention past GT5. Now that may change in the future but why release a new wheel for a PS3 that only works with one game?

And I saw his comments on the wheel being a step above. Sounds like it's awesome, No doubt. But for me using the wheel with other games is very important.
 
And other games might get a patch for support. All Thrustmaster has to do is pay for it :)

I'll keep my DFGT for support with old PS2 and PS3 games.
 
greekbull
Here is his exact quote "The wheel has no force feedback with Dirt 2 and F1 2010 on the PS3. It does work and has a center spring that's hardware related.. But there's no force feedback. Currently it seems only compatible with GT5."

So while it's working with the other games on PS3 there is no Force Feedback. It's sounding like the wheel is not getting alot of attention past GT5. Now that may change in the future but why release a new wheel for a PS3 that only works with one game?

And I saw his comments on the wheel being a step above. Sounds like it's awesome, No doubt. But for me using the wheel with other games is very important.
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I'm sure games will be patchable. However I think the main customers for this wheel (which is gonna be £450) will be people playing gt5 and pc sims; iracing Lfs, etc
 
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Greekbull

It's an official licensced product. My guess is a Firmware update for PS3 could update the wheel to sort this issue. They have said updates will be coming.

So I'm sure the shifter may need another update. Also it is more likely than not they will make the clutch on this work well with GT5. Who knows we may even get Reverse in H-Shifter as well.

People were so quick on these forums to put down this wheels chances.
 
I've never put down this wheel's chances. In fact if you look at the first few pages of this thread I was very vocal about defending Thrustmaster. I have bought a lot of their high end Flight Sim products going back almost 20 years and had great luck with them.

And like I said it looks like it's an awesome wheel. I'm dissapointed to see it not working with other PS3 games when it ships and that for ME makes me feel better about my selection. If I was playing games on PS3 only then I would be giving a much harder look at this. Although it does look like the ClubSports are better so I'm interested to hear a package to package review of the GT2 W/ClubSports vs the T500RS to see which overall is the best.

BTW, Below is a post I made over a month ago defending Thrustmaster:

greekbull
Lol reading through this thread is just funny. Why are people so defensive and negative about a new wheel coming out? I hope it is better that the G27 and the GT3 that helps all of us because that means that both of those companies will push even harder for better more realistic wheels in the future.

As far as Thrustmaster's name they have more of a name in the simulation world than any other manufacturer. They've been making high end flight and racing gear for years. I used to have a HOTAS F16 style flight setup in the early 90s that cost much more than the best wheels on the market today and the stuff was bullet proof. Now obviously that has changed in recent years but they used to make rediculously accurate simulation gear and hopefully they're returning to the high end side as they used to be the King before Logitech existed.

Now I don't know how good this new wheel will be but why bash and flame it before it hits the market or it's reviewed. If it's in the same category as the other wheels then all it can do is get us better wheels and better prices!
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The wheel looks extremely solid. Paddles attached to housing instead of wheel is very nice. Ability to adjust degrees of rotation is fantastic - a must for me. Remain a bit disappointed that it seems to use traditional spring + potentiometer instead of a load cell or hydraulic pressure system. Very interested to read in depth reviews.
 
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Greekbull

It's an official licensced product. My guess is a Firmware update for PS3 could update the wheel to sort this issue. They have said updates will be coming.

So I'm sure the shifter may need another update. Also it is more likely than not they will make the clutch on this work well with GT5. Who knows we may even get Reverse in H-Shifter as well.

People were so quick on these forums to put down this wheels chances.
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What do you mean? Reverse already works just fine with the the H-Shifter and my PWTS.

This is an officially compatible wheel with GT5. GT5 does not mean PS3. There isn't a standard steering wheel protocol on PS3 as there is on 360. Some developers very well could decide to build a patch to support it, but unless it sells tons, and there is a demand from their customers, then it is unlikely. Given the high price on the wheel, who knows?




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Right... and I noticed they still are using the same damn clamp as the ones on the older Thrustmaster wheel. But judging from the picture the clamp does look better than the plastic they used last time. Well I was wondering also, can the wheel be used on a Playseat? I was thinking of buying the Playseat as well...

Can't wait for the review though! :D
 
versapak
What do you mean? Reverse already works just fine with the the H-Shifter and my PWTS.

This is an officially compatible wheel with GT5. GT5 does not mean PS3. There isn't a standard steering wheel protocol on PS3 as there is on 360. Some developers very well could decide to build a patch to support it, but unless it sells tons, and there is a demand from their customers, then it is unlikely. Given the high price on the wheel, who knows?
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Are you sure it's not a licensed PS3 product? It seems like it would be impossible to be licensed for a game on the PS3 without being licensed for the PS3 also... That's like getting a secuirty card for the store room but not getting a security card for the building the store room is in...

Also I believe the PS3 supports the USB HID standard for peripherals which means there is indeed a standard, it's just one apparently PD isn't too wild about adhearing to... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_interface_device

greekbull
Here is his exact quote "The wheel has no force feedback with Dirt 2 and F1 2010 on the PS3. It does work and has a center spring that's hardware related.. But there's no force feedback. Currently it seems only compatible with GT5."

So while it's working with the other games on PS3 there is no Force Feedback. It's sounding like the wheel is not getting alot of attention past GT5. Now that may change in the future but why release a new wheel for a PS3 that only works with one game?

And I saw his comments on the wheel being a step above. Sounds like it's awesome, No doubt. But for me using the wheel with other games is very important.
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Definitely solidifies the idea that PD and GT5 are the non standard ones in this whole wheel fiasco.
 
I'm trying to read into why this is the case, and it has me curious. It sounds like the force feedback implementation may be very different than what has come before in the GT series, something different from the usual Immersion haptics. I hope there's something gained from this possible tradeoff. My concern is that supporting the T500RS could require additional work from developers. Schedules are tight as it is, so I fear bespoke T500RS support would be the first thing to go, at least on the PS3. For Windows Thrustmaster could offer middleware that could expand T500RS support to most racing games.

greekbull
Well after reading Darin's full post on his forum I'm very happy that I went with the GT2 and ClubSports!!! It sounds like the Thrustmaster has an awesome wheel but as he states there is no force feedback support with any other PS3 games(Tried Dirt 2 and F1 2010) He says it's only compatible with GT5.
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Devedander
Are you sure it's not a licensed PS3 product? It seems like it would be impossible to be licensed for a game on the PS3 without being licensed for the PS3 also... That's like getting a secuirty card for the store room but not getting a security card for the building the store room is in...

Also I believe the PS3 supports the USB HID standard for peripherals which means there is indeed a standard, it's just one apparently PD isn't too wild about adhearing to... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_interface_device



Definitely solidifies the idea that PD and GT5 are the non standard ones in this whole wheel fiasco.
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I don't really know how the licensing and compatibility works on PS3, but it seems that it isn't as simple as it being USB HID so it works. You could be right that this is specifically PD being the non standard ones, but one would think that if Thrustmaster were making an officially sponsored wheel for PS3 that they would have made it to support an official standard if it existed. It isn't like you have to support GT5 or the other games. The G25/27 and Fanatec wheels support them both, and they aren't officially licensed PS3 or GT5 wheels.





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versapak
I don't really know how the licensing and compatibility works on PS3, but it seems that it isn't as simple as it being USB HID so it works. You could be right that this is specifically PD being the non standard ones, but one would think that if Thrustmaster were making an officially sponsored wheel for PS3 that they would have made it to support an official standard if it existed. It isn't like you have to support GT5 or the other games. The G25/27 and Fanatec wheels support them both, and they aren't officially licensed PS3 or GT5 wheels..
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Especially if they are going to put it on PC also, although on the PC end you have drivers that can handle a lot of standardizing.

You have to admit that it seems all the wheels on PS3 work with all the games (G27 works with games that came out before it and after it except GT) and now we have a TM wheel that works with GT5 but seems to not work with other games...
 
Muzaffar
Right... and I noticed they still are using the same damn clamp as the ones on the older Thrustmaster wheel. But judging from the picture the clamp does look better than the plastic they used last time. Well I was wondering also, can the wheel be used on a Playseat? I was thinking of buying the Playseat as well...

Can't wait for the review though! :D
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I think you should be fine on the playseat. Look at this video it clearly shows the T500RS on a playseat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07e0Xk-cYVw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 
Shecki
It's not GT5 only, they just haven't finished the firmware for the PC yet. It is fully capable on the PC as well. From their facebook page, it seems as though the update will be available within a few weeks. Also...from Darin's post on his forum, he said it was a step above from anything that either logitech and fanatec have put out. Looking forward to seeing the video when it's done! ;)
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Havent finished the firmware for the PC yet - and they release the product for sale?

Seems like they put the cart way before the horse JUST to make some money off the GT5 launch.

No shifter and no PC support yet?

What if they never give full PC support or if their PC support is faulty? Will they buy all the wheels back?

I dont think so - this is beginning to sound like the making of the fisrt big hardware flop of 2011.
 
versapak
What do you mean? Reverse already works just fine with the the H-Shifter and my PWTS.

This is an officially compatible wheel with GT5. GT5 does not mean PS3. There isn't a standard steering wheel protocol on PS3 as there is on 360. Some developers very well could decide to build a patch to support it, but unless it sells tons, and there is a demand from their customers, then it is unlikely. Given the high price on the wheel, who knows?

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Yes I didn't say other shifters can't but their isn't a decent high grade metal shifter available yet for the PS3. Fanatec haven't even shown a picture of theirs either yet and I would very much expect the Thrustmaster shifter to be to available before it.

The T500 is DUAL LICENSCED, firstly as an Official Playstation coplatible device and also licensed as a GT5 compatible product. I think their intent is to ensure this is the best wheel to play GT5 with but it will as an official product get supported for other games.

I wasnt pointing the finger at Greekbull but in general the amount of negative comments in threads here and on the front page is unwarranted. You'd think the GT community would be happy or excited about such a product yet they havent given this a chance.
 
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After watching this vid,
I got convinced that this wheel is actually quite amazing.
The review really shows you it's pure quality,and I must say I never expected that from TM
It may be 500euro,but I'm pretty sure it's worth every penny.


PS: Yes,to bad there's no H-Shifter..
 
Watching this video made me conclude that I won't be buying this wheel any time soon. It's the standard pedals with a, similar as the nixim mod, standard pedals that made me come to this conclusion.

I waited to decide what to do but now I'm convinced that keeping the G27 and ordering the APelectrix will be a better solution than spending €499.99 on a new wheel WITHOUT shifter and standard pedals.
 
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kikie
Watching this video made me conclude that I won't be buying this wheel. It's the standard pedals with a, similar as the nixim mod, standard pedals that made me come to this conclusion.

I waited to decide what to do but now I'm convinced that keeping the G27 and ordering the APelectrix will be a better solution than spending €499.99 on a new wheel WITHOUT shifter and standard pedals.
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Ditto. I was contemplating canceling my GT2 CS order...but after seeing those pedals....I'm certainly going to stick with my Fanatec order. Nice wheel though.
 
whats the over under on days from release that someone gets a finger mangled between that wheel and shifter? i think that why companies do the shifteres attached to steering column.... wheel looks really nice though. i think it will be offered from $399.99-$449.99 from retailers like amazon almost immediately and have good success at that price. its just not going to do well at $599.99. my 2 cents. other than the last 6 weeks or so, the G27 is never $299.99. its usually like $209.99.
 
I have a wheel with no shifter, looks like a great wheel but I will not be getting it until it has a shifter. Those pedals are incredibly disappointing.
 
Strange they seemed to like it. People said they were fanatec fans.
Weird.
 
kikie
Watching this video made me conclude that I won't be buying this wheel. It's the standard pedals with a, similar as the nixim mod, standard pedals that made me come to this conclusion.

I waited to decide what to do but now I'm convinced that keeping the G27 and ordering the APelectrix will be a better solution than spending €499.99 on a new wheel WITHOUT shifter and standard pedals.
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Well funny thing is I remember you recently said GT5 wasnt even worth buying IIRC as well. :crazy:

Its simple everyone has their own preferences and whatever is best for you then go for that.

The way I look at it and this video has comfirmed is that this is a more precise wheel with better FFB. No deadzone, No chatter. That for me with the GT branding and the upcoming shifter means for GT5 even with its G27 level of quality pedals with Nixim mod (according to Darin) will be a more fun wheel to use. G25 or G27 owners dont seem to be getting a big drop in pedal performance at all, did you listen to what he said? T500 pedals are on par with what your considering so why all of a sudden are G27 quality pedals so bad? I think in your case Kikie its not so much the difference in pedals is what you should focus on but if the improvements the wheel brings are worth the cost of upgrading and if anything maybe the issue of losing the shifter at this moment in time.

People have moaned about the price, they seem to expect the benefits of this wheel in its features but also better than CSP pedals and moan that theirs no full metal shifter included as well all for £400-£450. I think that was always unrealistic. Additionally as its only about to release prices could get discounted further in time.

Lets put prices into context:
A GT3 Fanatec wheel only is approx £175
CSP pedals with tuning kit and delivery is approx £230 (warrenty invalidated)
Approx Total £405 assuming its even in stock?

That to me is a good alternative both with no shifters at very similar price points but with better wheel Vs better pedals. However losing the warrenty that some people may not want to do or not feel adequete in dismantling the pedals to update them.


Going by reports one seems to be a better wheel the other better pedals but Thomas himself said on these very forums it didnt seem overpriced for what it offered and I agree with his honesty in that.


Other Options:
Buying a G27 with PP can cost more....
Perfect Pedal £200+ (warrenty invalidated)

Affordable G27 mod:
AP electrix £60 (warrenty invalidated)

Dont for one moment assume that the T500 may not see 3rd party upgrades to improve its pedals just like the G25 got. Darin even hinted at that being likely. Also for PC users they can mix / match their pedals / wheels anyways and Id assume quite a few of the early buyers of these pedals already own a Logitech/Fanatec anyways.
 
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