The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread

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Jo3f1sh
If you really want to compare, I've paid $350 for a Fanatec Carrera with clubsport pedals. Heck, even for $150, you still get a decent pedal set WITH a declining pressure clutch and H-shifter. Best bang for the buck if you ask me.
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I agree with you, your rig it is THE "Best bang for the buck", but that doesn't mean it the the best overall.

if you had a very, very rich friend, which rig would you suggest for him? (GT5-wise)
 
This is funny. People say it is overpriced but have never used it, people say it's the best and have never used it. Time will tell if it is worth it to people with the money to spend and who are willing to spend it. There are those people out there. I see no problem spending " more than I spent on my ps3" to quote a over used and very illogical line. People aren't idiots because they have the money to purchase items like this. For me, if the feedback is very good it would be worth it.
 
Well, I guess what i was getting at is that I don't understand why you would pay that much more for something that is essentially the same wheel with less options.

Not sure what I'd suggest if $$$ wasn't an issue. I haven't really researched the hardcore wheels out there. That Frex setup looks pretty intense.

The Rennsport Cockpit on Fanatec's website with one of those would probably be a very nice experience. :)
 
Wheels are too expensive these days.
I don't have money to fork out £200+ just to make steering better in only one of my games. £130 is tops for me, anything over is a joke.
 
wow. £600 is too expensive for a wheel with no shifter, no load cell brake and a non-functioning clutch. it also works with only one game lol.

i think ill stick with my fanatec 911 turbo s and clubsport pedals which came with 2 shifters, a load cell brake, functioning clutch and compatibility with pretty much all games on xbox 360, ps3 and pc :).
 
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Afro1
Wheels are too expensive these days.
I don't have money to fork out £200+ just to make steering better in only one of my games. £130 is tops for me, anything over is a joke.
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Than the Thrustmaster wheels like the T2 in the 90's were already too expensive for you, just like the red Logitech MOMO Force, G25, G27, Fanatec stuff, that thrustmaster F1 wheel..
It's not 'these days'. Quality stuff has always been expensive.
 
I remember back in the PS2 days I saw some cheap wheels which were reliable. Now you have to fork out over £100 to get a decent one.
And also "quality stuff", pfft. It's just a wheel.
 
Devedander
I don't know where you live, but in the US Amazon has finally put back the $299 price on the G27 and once stock hits again (which should be around Feb at the latest) I think we will start to see G27 prices fall back to where they were (usually around $220 in any given 6 month period).

DFGT usually goes for $100 around me.

So really the question is, is the G27 worth 2.2 times more than the DFGT? I think thoroughly yes... you get a clutch and hgate shifter and much better pedals. It would be even better if GT5 didn't nerf the buttons on the G27...

Now we have yet to see what the T500 REALLY sells at, and if it sticks at the $600 price for more than a few months, someone in marketing is an idiot, but even if it drops to $500 it's still a good chunk of change more than going price for a G27 and it doesn't have the obvious benefits over a G27 that the G27 has over the DFGT... I mean G27 already has a clutch... but G27 comes with an Hgate, has a great profiler for PC (which T500 may or may not be able to match) works with pretty much every PS3 game right out of the box (unlike the T500 which again may be fixed but who knows) and has a bevy of extra buttons (which on games that don't nerf the G27 are awesome to have).

So I dunno.. a LOT hinges on what the real world price of the T500 becomes and how much the Hgate shifter ends up costing...
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This,this...:tup:perfect post man:)
 
Devedander
...but G27 comes with an Hgate, has a great profiler for PC (which T500 may or may not be able to match)...
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I just wanted to highlight that point. There's been a big focus on the hardware, but you're right, the software that's coming for this wheel is going to matter a lot too. I haven't owned a Thrustmaster wheel in ages, so I'm not sure if their drivers and associated software are any good.
 
rebla47
Thanks.

Really this is a problem, but Darin has not turned the 3 steel plates for each pedal, and not had move the aluminium base, it is clear that the pedals do not have the angle shown in the picture:

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We must to wait for a more detailed review (from ISR or other people) to see all the pedals features, but probably Thrustmaster should fix this.

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In the video test shown in Facebook, with the plates turned, the pedals seems a little less angled in the "GT" position:

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In any case, if you get the same angle inverting the pedals, have no sense (only stetic).
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In other frame of the video we can see the black part behind the plates seems the way to change the tilt angle when turning:

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Anyone know if you can switch the brake and clutch pedals in the button config and move that brake calibrator to the left pedal as well? I prefer to have the option of left-foot-braking and if those two are so close together it makes racing 'uncomfortable' in areas :ouch: :lol:

Jerome
 
In this hype noise we can easily forget about facts...

1. Thrustmaster T500RS pedals are not as good as Fanatec's Club Sport Pedals.
Let's say that we need to buy LoadCell (approx. 60 Euro) and mod Thrustmaster's pedals to compete with CSP.

2. T500RS wheel is better from Fanatec's GT3 RS2 because of:
- paddle shifters - metal, better "click";
- strong motor = stronger ForceFeedback;
- dual belt mechanism = smoother ForceFeedback;
- magnetic sensors = very high accuracy.

So:
Thrustmaster T500RS with LCmod is overall bettter than Fanatec GT3 RS2+CSP.

OK - but better in terms of...point 2 listed things?

That things really makes you better on the virtual road if you compare T500RS to Fanatec GT3 RS2+CSP?

They'll raise your win-ratio?

You'll beat your lap time by few seconds?


or you will just get better overall FEEL?


Remember:
Fanatec GT3 RS2+CSP = 320 euro
Thrustmaster T500RS + LC mod = ~ 560 euro

CSP = ~180/200 euro = T500RS pedals+LCmod

so (of course approx.):
GT3 RS2 wheel=~140 euro
T500RS wheel=~350 euro

You must pay additional ~200 euro for better overall "feel" of sim-racing :)
 
Jump_Ace
Anyone know if you can switch the brake and clutch pedals in the button config and move that brake calibrator to the left pedal as well? I prefer to have the option of left-foot-braking and if those two are so close together it makes racing 'uncomfortable' in areas :ouch: :lol:

Jerome
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You want the clutch to work as the Brake? It would only be possible if you get to the board and switch the wires around like on the CSP. Only time will tell till someone gets their hands on it and takes it apart.
 
Jump_Ace
Anyone know if you can switch the brake and clutch pedals in the button config and move that brake calibrator to the left pedal as well? I prefer to have the option of left-foot-braking and if those two are so close together it makes racing 'uncomfortable' in areas :ouch: :lol:

Jerome
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Since they are standard pedals I can't see why you wouldn't be able to swap switch the wires from the brake and clutch. You can also adjust the pedals in all directions so if you do not have enough space you can move the accelerator all the way right and the brake all the way left.

Kaz said himself that one of the issues he had with the logitech pedals is they are too close, I imagine these should give you a lot more room based on that.
 
I don't really see what people's problem is.

It's a premium wheel, that from everyone I have heard from (insidesim racing/a few select individuals across racing boards etc) bridges the gap between G25's and Ecci's etc.

Do people on here realise that you don't HAVE to buy this wheel to play the game?
 
Sarasti
In this hype noise we can easily forget about facts...

1. Thrustmaster T500RS pedals are not as good as Fanatec's Club Sport Pedals.
Let's say that we need to buy LoadCell (approx. 60 Euro) and mod Thrustmaster's pedals to compete with CSP.

2. T500RS wheel is better from Fanatec's GT3 RS2 because of:
- paddle shifters - metal, better "click";
- strong motor = stronger ForceFeedback;
- dual belt mechanism = smoother ForceFeedback;
- magnetic sensors = very high accuracy.

So:
Thrustmaster T500RS with LCmod is overall bettter than Fanatec GT3 RS2+CSP.

OK - but better in terms of...point 2 listed things?

That things really makes you better on the virtual road if you compare T500RS to Fanatec GT3 RS2+CSP?

They'll raise your win-ratio?

You'll beat your lap time by few seconds?


or you will just get better overall FEEL?


Remember:
Fanatec GT3 RS2+CSP = 320 euro
Thrustmaster T500RS + LC mod = ~ 560 euro

CSP = ~180/200 euro = T500RS pedals+LCmod

so (of course approx.):
GT3 RS2 wheel=~140 euro
T500RS wheel=~350 euro

You must pay additional ~200 euro for better overall "feel" of sim-racing :)
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Couple of things to note the Fanatec GT3RS and GT2 both have dual belts and have very accurate optical sensors, and the CSPs use loadcells and magnetic sensors for accuracy.
 
Afro1
I remember back in the PS2 days I saw some cheap wheels which were reliable. Now you have to fork out over £100 to get a decent one.
And also "quality stuff", pfft. It's just a wheel.
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The DFP was also like 100 pounds. That blue GT3 Driving Force EX-like thing was crappy. Pedals were damn crappy. Nothing special at all, and those were also like €70-€80 at the time.

But it's clear you don't want quality that can manage 7 years of abuse :).
 
TBH I'm more interested in a Fanatec 911 GT2 Clubsport, which has X360 compatibility as well, and awaiting for the release of a Clubsport shifter.
 
Sarasti that's the decision people are going to need to work out and make for themselves based on what is more important to them. I remember before the ECCI FF wheel came out that owners preferred it to any FF wheel simply based on accuracy and their ability to run faster lap times, no doubt if the CSP pedals result in quicker times some people will prefer the CSP's simply based on that. A mod might come out for the T500RS pedals that give the same performance as the CSP set and combined with the increased feel and accuracy of the wheel may result in quicker lap times but since no mod exists yet we can only hope.

Keep in mind this is first and foremost a GT5 wheel and the increased feel in GT5 is most likely a very big thing, the additional feel might help you to be much more smooth and precise and be able to react more accurately to what your car is doing in game, I know that when I drove the Nascar around Nurburgring the feedback my DFP gave me could only be described as odd and instead of feeling like a purpose built racecar it felt like it was fitted with a worn out steering box.

Another thing the Fanatec has over this wheel currently is a H shifter and clutch that works in GT5, we have no idea of when the shifter for the TM wheel will be available but we do know now from the facebook page that the shifter will be connected to the PS3 by USB, if this requires us to dedicate both USB ports on the PS3 to the wheel and shifter and does not allow us to use a hub or TM don't provide a way for the wheel to be plugged into the shifter then this will be another advantage the Fanatec wheels have over the TM wheel.

In addition to this the Fanatec wheel allows you to adjust steering angle directly from the wheel, this is another feature that can be used to get better lap times from some cars. Although this is an advertised feature of the TM wheel there is currently no way to adjust the steering angle at all and there may never be a way to adjust it via the wheel due to the lack of display or on a PS3 as it would no doubt require either firmware support from sony or developer support for each title. Apparently the ability to adjust steering angle will be possible from a PC.
 
lastpolarbear
I really dont see the point in releasing a wheel as high-end as this when the game isnt even close to being realistic physics-wise.
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So the pc simmers are not allowed to use this wheel?! At least that seems to be what you're thinking..
 
Facts, spec and price comparisons are one thing. Real test comes in the feel, quality, precision, features and of course support. While their are some gleaming positives for this wheel with nice possibility of potential pedal upgrades.

One concern is how and in what games on PS3 will give users more ingame options for tweaking just like PC games give. I have real concern if PS3 users get much control in this area and if at least with changing wheel rotation.

For me Thrustmaster need to address this particularly if they want to compete with some of the best benefits Fanatec wheel users have.

It will be real shame if this product is let down with such an oversight or omission.
 
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I was skeptical of this product but the initial hands on has me excited because I have used a Frex wheel and if this is comparable then awesome. The pedals however will keep me from buying the wheel. I love the clubsports and the load cell. Way better than even the APElectrix load cell I had on my old Logitech pedals(not a knock against what I think is a critical mod for the G25/G27). I cant wait to to see what the modding options are for this wheel but until it can compare on a package level to my current set up its just not worth it.
 
Some of the accusations that people are "jealous" because they can't/won't get this wheel are quite childish. If you can't stomach criticism of this wheel then I think the problem is yours.

From what we've seen so far, I think the price is too high and there isn't enough information about its performance to make an informed judgement in comparing this wheel to the Logitech wheels or the Fanatecs.
Personally, even from a "money is no object" standpoint I don't think this wheel can stand up as the price of this wheel (not to mention the gearstick as well) is so high, if you have that kind of money to throw around there are many other, some would argue, better options you could go for. The top of the range Fanatec with all the trimmings being one option, or the G27 with the pedal mod etc etc.

Also, JBturbo i spent like 2 minutes trying to figure out why "Post reply" wouldn't work and i was clicking your picture the whole bloody time.
 
M40_Sniper
Some of the accusations that people are "jealous" because they can't/won't get this wheel are quite childish. If you can't stomach criticism of this wheel then I think the problem is yours.

From what we've seen so far, I think the price is too high and there isn't enough information about its performance to make an informed judgement in comparing this wheel to the Logitech wheels or the Fanatecs.
Personally, even from a "money is no object" standpoint I don't think this wheel can stand up as the price of this wheel (not to mention the gearstick as well) is so high, if you have that kind of money to throw around there are many other, some would argue, better options you could go for. The top of the range Fanatec with all the trimmings being one option, or the G27 with the pedal mod etc etc.

Also, JBturbo i spent like 2 minutes trying to figure out why "Post reply" wouldn't work and i was clicking your picture the whole bloody time.
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Lmao.

I disagree with your first comment however, every person I've seen or heard using one so far has said it's worth every penny.

How can you say the price is too high when you've never used it?
 
I've read 4 pages of concentrated discussion on a very subjective topic ..... your idea of excess $$$$ is different than mine 💡

All anyone has mentioned practically is the obvious price issue.

What about the fact that this component cannot be adapted to a very common chassis on the market - Playseats. The pedal footrest protrudes too far rearward and the wheel attaches from the front side which makes installation on a Playseat impossible.
 

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