The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread

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I will be focussing on FFB effects today. To see if the T500 has better/same/worse FFB for specific cars on specific tracks. For this test I am hooking up the wheels each to their own PS3 and screen to do the eval. realtime side by side -- unless splitscreen in arcade mode offers the very same FFB support as GT Life mode does...???

I'm very interested in your test results, RC45. I'm looking to upgrade my G25. I had planned on going with the GT3 RS V2 (with CS pedals and their shifters), but everything I'm reading about it being basically a Logitech G25 with on-the-wheel adjustability has me having second thoughts. However, I am NOT interested in the T500 if there will never be a shifter. It must be coming--otherwise, why the third pedal?
 
To compared ForceFeedback don't forget to put ForceFeedback at 10 (= at the Maximum), wheel in "Simulation Mode" and to removed all helps (driving assist, abs, etc...)
Please try also all different roads : Asphalt / Rally / Snow
 
...the diamond plate seems to lend a "ricer" flair to the whole getup, apparently it will appeal to the Barry Boys at the local McDonalds though - so there is always a target audience.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

So have you tried the T500 pedals in the "Rally" position yet? How do they feel?
 
Thanks for all the update rc. For what it's worth I thought you rant was pretty funny and clearly someone blowing off steam after having a hot lap destroyed. The only thing that was missing was an attack on their families ;)

Marmite and Lucozade proves your not American, going down the range means your fitting in well in Texas. :)

Looking forward to the ffb tests, will you do them at both 5 & 10? Not sure if the ffb implementation is the same in arcade, you'd assume so, but who knows?
 
Dave, you get all the pedal adjustability a man of, uhm.. "ample" manly proportions needs ;) The default setup has the gas/brake 74.5mm apart. That is with both plates mounted on the center hole.

o+o <--- 74.5mm ---> o+o

The 3 holes are spaced 12.5mm apart, so you can move each the pedal closer or further by that much.

On max the pedals would be 99.5mm apart and closest would be only 49.5mm apart.

oo+<---- 99.5mm ----> +oo

+oo<- 49.5mm ->oo+

Thats a lot of adjustability.




RC45, take my photograph, please!.

I just realized that every pedal has 4 holes on the back, and owners must fix them using only two screws. I understand that each pair of screws are used for a different angle:

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In any case, if any of the users who already own a T500 RS could upload a photo of the pedals turning around this piece, I would be grateful.

I feel so eager to this particular issue, but it is important for me, because I will play with the pedals turned around since the first day I buy its, and it is something that I can not personally try in a store.
 
Thanks RC.

Have you mapped your RA buttons? Are there dedicated buttons for wipers, high beams, flashing brights, and the horn? It would be really stupid for them to not have those buttons, considering the lack of a dial like the DFGT.
 
When you swap the TM wheel with that SPARCO, what do you intend to do about buttons? Something tells me they don't pop off to be easily attached to premium automotive wheels :(
 
But in the company of these 2 the G25/27 is showing a little age, especially with that dreaded "dead zone" rock n roll problem.

Even in ISR G27 review a while back they noted they have improved this dead zone problem since G25. This is true with DFGT as well. Now depending on the software there could be a soft ffb in the center like in GT5.

This "soft dead zone" (it not completely dead) is also in my Gt3 RS wheel as well in GT5. I didn't noticed it at first with the GT3 because I had a dead zone set to 20 in GT5. When I set the dead zone to 0 I notice it had play depending on the tires and type of the car just like it was with my DFGT. So most dead zone is in the software itself.

Maybe it just me but I feel more ffb differences (small changes) from my DFGT than from my GT3 in GT5.(Ex. DFGT the different center FFB strengths are more noticeable) I think the belt muffs out some of the small FFB changes.

So can you feel these differences with the T500 as well or is it totally different?
 
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i agree. RC45 gets major kudos. im curious to see more tests especially with the clubsports. on another note. whats up with the lag on this wheel? looks pretty bad here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUMAbsNZB4E

The wheel has no lag, my DFGT looks like that, blame the TV and the deferred rendering of the wheel. LCD TV are pretty bad for input lag. Good PC gaming TN monitors, especially the newer 120 hertz ones, and the better PVA and IPS ones are much better. Some of the 120 hertz gaming monitors have zero input lag, like the LG. LCD TVs can be up in ther 80ms area....

Or use a CRT like me :)

Even then the DFGT does not match the onscreen wheel. GT5 probably doesn't render them in 1:1 ratio, since the wheels do not rotate the same lock angle. As long as the physics match, I don't really care if the wheel rotation onscreen match.
I don't even focus on it anyway, but I really use cockpit view all that much.
 
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So you've been using Fanatec pedals for way over a year (irrelevant), they are better than a TM - which you haven't used (speculation) - and I'm a fraud??? You are HILARIOUS! :dopey:

BTW using any phrase that includes "my _______ are way better than _______", without actual proof, sounds more like a teenager defending his choice vs. an adult open to discussion.

Sincerely,

Sigmund

Yeah, you're a total fraud. Your statement about me being insecure with my Fanatec choice is absolutely ludicrous, for one thing the TM doesn't even work with my favourite console so it's useless to me.

Anyone who says "you're just saying #$##%^ %&%^& beacuse you're insecure with your choice"... sounds like someone fresh out of diapers.
 
It sure does take all types. Now - in the light of day and after an early morning visit to the range, some time spent cleaning the pine needles from the rose beds and a nice fizzy cup of Lucozade and a Marmite sammich, perhaps my frustration at the entire T500 dev team was a little over the top - I just hold the ergonomics consultant to account for it, bet he/she never played a game in their lives ;)

RC45 - I just don't see how anyone can hit that button, from watching the other videos of other people using it. Like I said before you must really flail your arms about :)

In that case, I would put that to user error myself....
 
Fanatec wheels are closer to G27 than Frex and ECCI wheels which ISR compared this wheel to. From my experience Fanatec wheels is not superior to the G27 as both are about on the same level each with their own advantages. Fanatec wheels do have advantages like able to play on X360 and on-wheel adjustments.

Not from my experience with both a G25 and Turbo S. They don't feel or sound the same. I don't think a belt drive wheel would be closer to a gear drive wheel than another belt drive wheel. Gear driven wheels feel very notchy compared to belt drive wheels and they're much noisier.
 
Even in ISR G27 review a while back they noted they have improved this dead zone problem since G25. This is true with DFGT as well. Now depending on the software there could be a soft ffb in the center like in GT5.

This "soft dead zone" (it not completely dead) is also in my Gt3 RS wheel as well in GT5. I didn't noticed it at first with the GT3 because I had a dead zone set to 20 in GT5. When I set the dead zone to 0 I notice it had play depending on the tires and type of the car just like it was with my DFGT. So most dead zone is in the software itself.

Maybe it just me but I feel more ffb differences (small changes) from my DFGT than from my GT3 in GT5.(Ex. DFGT the different center FFB strengths are more noticeable) I think the belt muffs out some of the small FFB changes.

So can you feel these differences with the T500 as well or is it totally different?

I think GT5 creates that deadzone. FFB in the menus is different to what you get while driving, and it varies from car to car. Try Karts for example, no deadzone at all with a DFGT, unlike in the regular cars. FFB on the Karts is superb.

My Impreza would be considered to have a deadzone in real life I guess... my Work van (no power steering) is even worse...
 
Not from my experience with both a G25 and Turbo S. They don't feel or sound the same. I don't think a belt drive wheel would be closer to a gear drive wheel than another belt drive wheel. Gear driven wheels feel very notchy compared to belt drive wheels and they're much noisier.
Well I've never experience the G25 but no doubt there is difference between gear and belt. There is advantages of both even in real cars. (the steering wheel uses gears and the fan uses a belt) As far as noise my Gt3 is louder pulling against the FFB ( a sawing noise) than G27 but G27 is louder when driving in dirt.
There is even differences between standard gears and helical gears.
 
I think GT5 creates that deadzone. FFB in the menus is different to what you get while driving, and it varies from car to car. Try Karts for example, no deadzone at all with a DFGT, unlike in the regular cars. FFB on the Karts is superb.

My Impreza would be considered to have a deadzone in real life I guess... my Work van (no power steering) is even worse...
It depends on the tires. Get any car and put hard comfort on them and test drive it. Then use the same car and put soft racing tires on it. The center forces are different.
 
You're right, "better" is the wrong word. What I meant to say is, if the 2 wheels feel pretty much equal, with the centering of the GT2 even a bit better, and with the CSP pedals feeling better as well, and with the GT2 being a lot more affordable, then the GT2 would be "better" for lack of a better word. Maybe just "better value" although I feel that implies the GT2 wheel isn't quite as good but just the better overall deal.

Hopes that makes sense.

It's also only his opinion, others including ISR don't seem to share it.

Two things, ISR thinks it's the best wheel for the $ - pedals go to CSP but not by a whole lot from what I've read so far.

Also, I'm not quite sure $100 is a lot more affordable. Personally I find the TM being a "major market" product a more secure purchase. I can return it to the store, deal with a fairly large company for warranty service, and know I'm buying something that is made by a company that creates quality high-end gear. I still have a TM HOTAS set from the early days of flight sims. Built like a tank and superb all around.

So for $100 more (btw, I don't really use a shifter - maybe down the road) I'm choosing TM over Fanatec because Fanatec seems to have difficulty with the customer service end of the business being such a small shop.
 
Two things, ISR thinks it's the best wheel for the $ - pedals go to CSP but not by a whole lot from what I've read so far.

Also, I'm not quite sure $100 is a lot more affordable. Personally I find the TM being a "major market" product a more secure purchase. I can return it to the store, deal with a fairly large company for warranty service, and know I'm buying something that is made by a company that creates quality high-end gear. I still have a TM HOTAS set from the early days of flight sims. Built like a tank and superb all around.

So for $100 more (btw, I don't really use a shifter - maybe down the road) I'm choosing TM over Fanatec because Fanatec seems to have difficulty with the customer service end of the business being such a small shop.

Yeah I might just do the same. Fanatec wheels are also out of stock often which is annoying.
 
The rubber pads also have those same 4 holes, so combined with the pedals 3 vertical and horizontal holes, the 2 pairs of vertical adjustment threads on th epedal shaft you can see that you have many many many options.

You can offset the pedal plates to the left or right, the gas pedal can be raised and the rubber pad can be reversed changing the angle. Combined with the ability to tilt and raise the entire pedal box (depending if your cockpit has a flat pedal base or is angled) no one can say that the Frenchies over at Thrustmaster don't have a foot fetish of some kind... gotta love them, always the lovers never the fighters :lol:


Thanks, RC45!.

Then, the black piece is rubber?. Ok, great.

That was the photos I wanted to see.


Cheers!.
 
Discovered another little engineering/design fauxpaux by the TM team.

While reversing the pedal plates to do the "hanging pedals' thing, I noticed the pedal shafts are not threaded, the 4 holes are populated by pressfit hexbolts.

That is all 4 holes, even though only 2 of the holes are used at a time. This means after you are done trying out different pedal plate positions you end up with the "pressfit" hex bolts in various stages of "almost in the holes".

The result is a couple of the looser hex bolts falling out as you test the pedals - hex bolts scattering over a hardwood floor is arecipe for "lost parts". Not a game changer, not worthy of a groin shot, but still a little silly that this passed their QC. I can see many frustrated pedal owners needing new hex bolts at 1am on a Sunday morning. ;)

I have been traying to traslate what you want to say (is a problem for me not to speak english well... ), but I think I´m not understanding you at 100%:

is this an easily solvable problem?.
 
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