The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread

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RC45, is the warranty 2 years for the US product? I remember reading on Facebook that the EU warranty was going to be 2 years, but nothing was mentioned about the US market.

Also, currently for my DFGT I have a home made steel rig that is constructed with 1" X 1" square steel tubing, do you think that clamp thing will secure it to the tube or will it be better to drill the holes for mounting? It's tough to tell how that clamp works from the pictures.

Thanks!
 
RC45 could you do a rundown on what you can change on the wheel firmware? steering degrees, in what steps, deadzones, spring center force and such. I'm really interested in that.
 
RC45
If I have to give on up it would be the GT2 - but not by much. We are talking 80% vs 85% type scores.
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But that means that the Fanatec is actually quite a bit better, seeing as it's a lot cheaper as well. Or did you also factor in price here?
 
Gigantoad
But that means that the Fanatec is actually quite a bit better, seeing as it's a lot cheaper as well. Or did you also factor in price here?
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I'm not sure I follow the logic. If the TM is better then it's better. If the fanatec is close and less expensive then it's a better value. It can't be better BECAUSE it's less expensive. It can only be better if it's...well...better. :crazy: Performance and price are independent variables.

BTW, not saying price/performance ratio is not a good decision making process but you are talking about which one is better and that is only a factor of performance.
 
RC45
Every single engineer and tester involved in this project needs to be lined up and swiftly kicked in the groin with steel toed boots.

They are morons and idiots of the 1st degree.

I would like to meet the twit and jab him right in the eye.

So - this so far is the only HUGE MAJOR design flaw I have found.
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While we are all interested in this wheel and honest user opinions. I felt I had to not just ignore some of your recent comments. I found them quite offensive and distasteful as their is no need for this aggressive attitude nor to advocate violence.

Very OTT remarks for what is a button and I dont think everyone will agree with you it is as HUGE or MAJOR that you make it out to be. Yes good you brought it up just a pity in the way youve did it.

I cant believe you did that or even think some will see it even remotely as funny or amusing.
 
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Mr Latte
While we are all interested in this wheel and honest user opinions. I felt I had to not just ignore some of your recent comments. I found them quite offensive and distasteful as their is no need for this aggressive attitude nor to advocate violence.

Very OTT remarks for what is a button and I dont think everyone will agree with you it is as HUGE or MAJOR that you make it out to be. Yes good you brought it up just a pity in the way youve did it.

I cant believe you did that or even think some will see it even remotely as funny or amusing.
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+1 ,

I initially thought you where having a laugh /made a joke RC45....

Nothing in this world is perfect,but to than write it down in such an aggressive way it becomes a very irritating post to read... 👎

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spy.
 
Mr Latte
While we are all interested in this wheel and honest user opinions. I felt I had to not just ignore some of your recent comments. I found them quite offensive and distasteful as their is no need for this aggressive attitude nor to advocate violence.

Very OTT remarks for what is a button and I dont think everyone will agree with you it is as HUGE or MAJOR that you make it out to be. Yes good you brought it up just a pity in the way youve did it.

I cant believe you did that or even think some will see it even remotely as funny or amusing.
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You found those comments offensive? You should read his comments on the GT2 shipping thread, i think he finds it hard to create any kind of post without rude or offensive remarks.
 
It's called "passion". Something as pricey and advanced as this should not have simple obvious flaws with potential devastation to someone's race. Sure some of it could have been left out. For cryin' out loud, he just shelled out almost $700 for this toy.
 
Ranger099
I'm not sure I follow the logic. If the TM is better then it's better. If the fanatec is close and less expensive then it's a better value. It can't be better BECAUSE it's less expensive. It can only be better if it's...well...better. :crazy: Performance and price are independent variables.

BTW, not saying price/performance ratio is not a good decision making process but you are talking about which one is better and that is only a factor of performance.
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You're right, "better" is the wrong word. What I meant to say is, if the 2 wheels feel pretty much equal, with the centering of the GT2 even a bit better, and with the CSP pedals feeling better as well, and with the GT2 being a lot more affordable, then the GT2 would be "better" for lack of a better word. Maybe just "better value" although I feel that implies the GT2 wheel isn't quite as good but just the better overall deal.

Hopes that makes sense.

It's also only his opinion, others including ISR don't seem to share it.
 
Hopefully a firmware or driver fix should require the 'Mode' Button to be held for a few seconds before the mode actually changes..
 
DaveTheStalker
It's called "passion". Something as pricey and advanced as this should not have simple obvious flaws with potential devastation to someone's race. Sure some of it could have been left out. For cryin' out loud, he just shelled out almost $700 for this toy.
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Actually it has nothing to do with passion. Unfortunately the guy fulfills the stereotype of brash, noisy rude Americans that we have in the UK, giving the rest of you a bad name.

Yes he has identified a flaw in the product but the way in which he posted it is incredibly immature and rude.
 
RC45
OK - found the first MAJOR fail of the T500RS.

Every single engineer and tester involved in this project needs to be lined up and swiftly kicked in the groin with steel toed boots.

They are morons and idiots of the 1st degree.

Seriously, who was the project manage of this program?

I would like to meet the twit and jab him right in the eye.

OK - the wheel has a MODE button, which is used to switch the "pedals' from floor to wall mount. In so doing you need to swap the gas and clutch, so the mode button is the correct tool. Red for floor and green for wall.

No problem so far. But, in their infinite stupidity, the Thrustmaster Team made the MODE button a real time LIVE button - I think you folks can see where I am going with this ;)

If you accidently tap the MODE button mid game, you swap your gas/clutch - and if you are as I was, "in the zone" trying to put down an X2010 hotlap at the Nurburgring Northloop, you are all arms flailing and countersteerign and hands every which way - "PLINK* goes the MODE button and "ARAARAGGHHHHHHHGAGAGAG FAAARRGGGGGG" goes the driver... well first you go "WTF?? did the new wheel just die??? Then you touch the clutch pedal and "vrroooommm" its the gas.

Now the need for the MODE button to be "realtime" is zero... because switching your pedals from floor to wall mount is anything but a "on the fly" process.

It would not be so bad except that when I hit the MODE button, the wheel lost its center and was cocked 15* to the left. There is no POWER button, so you are off onto the floor to remove the power cord from the power brick to reset the wheel - or you could unplug the USB cable - but still, had I been in the 3rd race of the 5 race Fromula GP Series and I hit the MODE button I would be really upset.

So - this so far is the only HUGE MAJOR design flaw I have found.

I seriously do not know how this passed muster.

But hey, nothing is perfect - right?? :)
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Pardon, are you a wrestler or a pro racer? for your info, in real world of racing and flying the yoke and the steering wheel alike have from two to more than ten buttons/dials that can be used/adjusted on the fly, and they expect you to be in full control when you use it and they don't expect you to hit a button by mistake!

So if you always panic or a clumsy person (accident-prone) then racing nor flying is your field, it has got nothing to do with intelligence only pure concentration and common sense.
 
capt_aaa1
Pardon, are you a wrestler or a pro racer? for your info, in real world of racing and flying the yoke and the steering wheel alike have from two to more than ten buttons/dials that can be used/adjusted on the fly, and they expect you to be in full control when you use it and they don't expect you to hit a button by mistake!

So if you always panic or a clumsy person (accident-prone) then racing nor flying is your field, it has got nothing to do with intelligence only pure concentration and common sense.
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Hmm maybe the worst that happens in a car though is you accidentally turn on wipers.

There's no clutch to acceleration button in a real car is there? If the was I'm sure it would be well hidden.
To lift thebonneg on my car the lever is well out of the way.
 
DaveTheStalker
It's called "passion". Something as pricey and advanced as this should not have simple obvious flaws with potential devastation to someone's race. Sure some of it could have been left out. For cryin' out loud, he just shelled out almost $700 for this toy.
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Price has nothing to do with it. Seriously are you trying to defend such actions or expect this should be perfect because of its price point?

Other than relate to value for money and to determine how good the product is in that respect. Useful when compared to other products with differing prices / features / performance.

The guy had a "lap ruined" as justification for his outburst.
He called just about everyone invloved "morons or idiots" when perhaps he should ask himself who has acted more like one.

Incredible...
We should move on but he has only let himself down IMO
Personally, whatever he has posted regards the product for me lost any credibility. I look forward to more sensible, focused and indepth reports.
 
I think he has a valid point.
Having buttons for on the fly adjustments are good.

Swapping accelerator for clutch is not an on the fly option is it?
 
Have you guys ever heard any in-car audio from real racers when things go wrong? What about those interviews when a driver gets out of the car when something went wrong? Expecting people fueled by adrenaline to be composed, tame, polite, "mature", or to have their comments well thought out is a stretch.

Emotion, or lack thereof, indicates the importance of an issue or situation to the individual.

Anyway, hopefully the message rings loud and clear to ThrustMaster before this becomes a massive snowball rolling downhill. I think a level headed call (in the mindset of a beta tester) to their customer service is a must!

Price has a lot to do with it. High priced items should be perfect at what they were designed to do. If not, they are, by design, defective.
 
Well I've not really seen eye to eye with RC on just about anything on the forums. I don't think a lot of what he's said is appropriate especially in the GT2 thread.

Any with all of that said for someone who was as critical of Fanatec as he was to say he gives the GT2 a slight edge without the ClubSports in his possession says a lot to me. Especially considering the ClubSports are the biggest difference maker IMO of the Fanatec package.

Now I know this isn't the end all of arguments, and I'm still very interested to see more reviews and head to head comparisons but I must say that I'm shocked to hear him saying anything positive on the GT2 let alone he gives it an edge!
 
Spagetti69
Hmm maybe the worst that happens in a car though is you accidentally turn on wipers.

There's no clutch to acceleration button in a real car is there? If the was I'm sure it would be well hidden.
To lift thebonneg on my car the lever is well out of the way.
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What I meant is racing cars, where you have rev limiter, fuel pump switch, brake balance and so on, even in late cars you have the paddle shifters behind the wheel and on some cars on the wheel itself where you use your thumbs to shift up/down.

And on the latest S-Class the gear lever is purely electronic and is placed where the wiper switch located on most imports, thus you need to be careful when turning the wheel.
 
Granted.
This is a new product, things can be improved.
Even real life cars get recalled for faults etc.
I forget the model but one manufacturer had to replace all the bonnet catches on their range. Things happen.
 
Well, we have cheaply made and designed "disposable" cars. Then we have well engineered expensive cars. "You get what you pay for".
 
Spagetti69
I think he has a valid point.
Having buttons for on the fly adjustments are good.

Swapping accelerator for clutch is not an on the fly option is it?
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We havnt read of any others yet have this issue.
As people have pointed out and if it is an issue for most people using the wheel then it probably is more than likely possible to remedy a fix in the firmware?

What so far seems a let down with the product / GT5 currently is that as yet the game doesnt give us more options we want in being able to set wheel rotation or other options in throttle or braking sensativity.

I would assume people who buy this wheel primarily for consoles want such options. It is evident that Fanatec have extra features and comparisons between such may in one way relate to the T500 being great in hardware performance but handicaped or held back with poor user adjustable settings in PS3 games. Personally I have expressed my opinion on this to TM and believe it will be a major deciding factor for people considering this wheel or Fanatec product.

Developers need to address this also so the problem for TM is that unless they get that assurance then Fanatec wheels will have some advantages or options that particular consumers may see as more important than the additional precision, stronger FFB and extra cost the T500 may bring.
 
I think throttle sensitivity, steering angle, linearity, saturation, FFB, and other adjustments via hardware or software like Codemasters games, should be dependent on the car. Why should a Beetle have the same abilities as a GTR? It shouldn't.

One of the things I like about the GT games, they don't have 10 different options to muck things up.

With all of the adjustments in GRiD, TOCA 3, or even NASCAR 09, I could never get those cars to feel "right".
 
That button isn't anything to really get mad at. Sure it's placed badly, it would have worked much better on the side or back of the motor since it's used probably only ever once when you mount the wheel.

But surely nobody would claim that it's a game breaker. Put some duct tape over it, probem solved. I wish there was such an easy fix for everything in life.
 
Julienm
Never have this issue after approxImately 15 hours of driving...
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Thank you.

Julienm have you after using the product for some time any comments to make on things that are not so good? Anything you think should or could be improved?
 
Mr Latte
We havnt read of any others yet have this issue.
As people have pointed out and if it is an issue for most people using the wheel then it probably is more than likely possible to remedy a fix in the firmware?

What so far seems a let down with the product / GT5 currently is that as yet the game doesnt give us more options we want in being able to set wheel rotation or other options in throttle or braking sensativity.

I would assume people who buy this wheel primarily for consoles want such options. It is evident that Fanatec have extra features and comparisons between such may in one way relate to the T500 being great in hardware performance but handicaped or held back with poor user adjustable settings in PS3 games. Personally I have expressed my opinion on this to TM and believe it will be a major deciding factor for people considering this wheel or Fanatec product.

Developers need to address this also so the problem for TM is that unless they get that assurance then Fanatec wheels will have some advantages or options that particular consumers may see as more important than the additional precision, stronger FFB and extra cost the T500 may bring.
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You will not get this because PD do not want you to have it according to a message I got from Thrustmaster. However Thrustmaster are looking at ways of adding these features to other games.
 
greekbull
Well I've not really seen eye to eye with RC on just about anything on the forums. I don't think a lot of what he's said is appropriate especially in the GT2 thread.

Any with all of that said for someone who was as critical of Fanatec as he was to say he gives the GT2 a slight edge without the ClubSports in his possession says a lot to me. Especially considering the ClubSports are the biggest difference maker IMO of the Fanatec package.

Now I know this isn't the end all of arguments, and I'm still very interested to see more reviews and head to head comparisons but I must say that I'm shocked to hear him saying anything positive on the GT2 let alone he gives it an edge!
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Did you read his posts here? totally expected opinion to me.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=135961&highlight=hope&page=62#post4486194

The button overreacting was funny thought and I'm sure it will be no problem for most of us but if that is the major "flaw" he found the wheel must be incredible!
 

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