The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread

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Aghhh internals, nice work Cletus!

I referred to this waaaay back in the thread...

The wheel "Upgrade" may be done by not actually removing the wheel but by removing the 3x screws from the wheel rim.
Is this possible?

The TM Rep on FB stated removing 3x screws with a screwdriver, he didnt say which screws. If he was referring to the rim it seems that any upgrades would require a wheel rim that matches/aligns with the positions/size used on the T500RS RIM. Not sure which if any Motorsport wheels would detach in this way from their own centre plate or fit.

Try removing the rim from the centre plate, does it detach?
 
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I want to see drift videos. Hoestly the fanatec GT3RS cannot turn left and right fast enough. To do insane near 90 degree drifts right to left the wheel has to turn left and right super fast like in real life like in this video. If it can it is the best wheel you can buy in the world. If PC support will work with this wheel and not a revision then it's best to buy it now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjaxez9OIX8

It seems like it can in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07e0Xk-cYVw
 
Hell, don't we even have a "pro-drifter" on these boards? I am sure he must have a T500RS on order - you'd expect a pro to want the best. :sly:

It'll be interesting to see what the pro drifter has to say regarding this, and I'm saying purely from a curiosity standpoint 👍

I'm willing to listen to anyone who knows what they're talking about.
 
I hate to say so, but the steering wheel spinning like that is rather a function of steering geometry and suspension setup in real life versus the "reality of the steering wheel".

So even with a wheel like the T500RS, the only way it is going to spin and center and behave in such a "realistic" way is if the game/simulation models the steering geometry of the car setup correctly and the physics engine feeds the resulting steering feedback via the steering rack to the steering wheel.

So far I have not seen that GT5 models the real physics of extreme suspension and steering geometry that well.

I mean, they don't even take into consideration the possibility of tyre pressure changes/customization.

With PC drivers I am very sure you will see superb drifting from more complex physics engines like rFactor, iRacing etc (and i was not trying to restart the "Everything vs GT5" debate --- really I a wasn't :lol: )

That being said, I bet the drifters will get the most out of this wheel compared to other wheels.

Hell, don't we even have a "pro-drifter" on these boards? I am sure he must have a T500RS on order - you'd expect a pro to want the best. :sly:

If you don't know how to drift 900 degrees and you don't have the T500 RS drifting in GT5 your opinion is meaningless.

I have rFactor, iRacing, Race On, Live for Speed, GTR2 I have played them all. I even have NFS Shift and other NFS games as well as Test Drive Unlimited all using the Fanatec GT3RS. Before I had the Logitech G25. I had 3 monitors and I know what they all are like. I never tried the T500 RS. I don't know if it's worth it. Drifting in those games is completely different.

The GT3RS as well as the G25/G27 have a deadzone so there is oscillation going on when it's at the center. The T500 RS I see has no oscillation at the center. The G25/G27 and GT3RS cannot recenter as fast as the T500 RS. The T500 RS recenters like crazy to the point where it can chop your fingers off. Driving and drifting when you let go of the wheel must be ridiculously easy.

I need to know if the wheel will know each cars maximum steering degrees. Not all of them are 1080. Not all of them are the same. If it's all 1080 and you try the same car in real life it would not be the same. if it's written to each steering degree and the wheel will only turn that far then this wheel is the best wheel ever made.
 
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The G25/G27 and GT3RS cannot recenter as fast as the T500 RS. The T500 RS recenters like crazy to the point where it can chop your fingers off. Driving and drifting when you let go of the wheel must be ridiculously easy.

Here is something I always wondered.

If the wheel that I use is not fast enough to recenter like the tyres ingame would/can do, will the wheel be lagging behind the ingame tyres? Or will the ingame tyres/physics be aware of the mechanics of the wheel and adjust do it?
 
I need to know if the wheel will know each cars maximum steering degrees. Not all of them are 1080. Not all of them are the same. If it's all 1080 and you try the same car in real life it would not be the same. if it's written to each steering degree and the wheel will only turn that far then this wheel is the best wheel ever made.

like to know this as well, if you race F1 in GT5 does the wheel lock at 200-250° ?
 
Here is something I always wondered.

If the wheel that I use is not fast enough to recenter like the tyres ingame would/can do, will the wheel be lagging behind the ingame tyres? Or will the ingame tyres/physics be aware of the mechanics of the wheel and adjust do it?

I'd hazard a guess and say the wheels only move relative to the steering input, so if steering input is slow, be it physical input or electronic (with the motor re-centering, or spinning to lock when drifting), the wheels in game are going to move at the same rate.
 
Just ordered the T500 RS and it is expected to be delivered tomorrow (on my birthday!). :cheers:
 
I need to know if the wheel will know each cars maximum steering degrees. Not all of them are 1080. Not all of them are the same. If it's all 1080 and you try the same car in real life it would not be the same. if it's written to each steering degree and the wheel will only turn that far then this wheel is the best wheel ever made.

Why? It's already been done on PC racing sims for the Logitech DFP, DFGT, G25, and G27.
 
amar212

I always laugh at these vids. You can get any game, sim, program to do unintended stuff. Why? Because you can never simulate all the forces in the real world. Maybe we will some day but I say no.


Oh, and I believe your hampus quote is pure sarcasm.


I will be picking up one of these once they get PC drivers out there. As much as I enjoy GT5, I cannot justify a wheel this expensive for console racing.
 
*VIDEOS*

Nice gods you worship.

BTW Sorry for the OP, but..

Umm... that was sarcastic and was aimed at .Hz who thinks that...

Nice one though.

Do you want me to post some glitches of GT5 too or do you already know about that? like the rest of us..
This is not IRacing specific stuff you know..

Ahh what the hell, in case you have missed it here are some GT5 clitches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQRSckB7H1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=776OQ8qpq4o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0zxKD3GWlM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht09c_COv1g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXzeU4hzf9Q&feature=related

this one is just the best, never knew 370Z weighed so little :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CycnIzLCzOY&feature=related

This doesn´t mean GT5 i ****, far from that. all games have bugs or graphical issues, some handle it better then others but all in all it´s the same for everybody.
 
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Hampus, hz, you've both received points. I don't care who started this fight, but you will both need to back off.

This is all waaaaay off-topic. Last I looked this was a T500 thread. When I come back in here, I expect to see nothing BUT a T500 thread. Clear?
 
Please take this ridiculous discussion elsewhere. Both of you are making this an unappealing community. Act civil.

I agree, please everyone, report these post and make them stop this, I have never anything so childish in my life and it is totally disrespectful to the people here that are actually trying to get and share useful information. Please, Please report them, maybe the Administrators can revoke their access, I have had enough!!!!!!!!!
 
Well, now I know why my Right D-Pad key is iffy and needs to be pressed quite hard.

Some underwaged cheap slave in the far east forgot to put the contact pad on the microswitch ;)

Also I think this may put to bed any dreams of simply and sturdily "upgrading" the wheel to some real SPARCO, Momo or such like.

Who is it that started that rumour anyway? The TM PR person?




RC45,
Once again I would like to thank you for your useful information, a lot of other people seem to own the wheel, but I must say you have provided the most useful and relevant information here, this is not meant to be disrespectful to anyone, just an acknowledgement to you, keep up the great work, I have learned so much from your post and it most definitely helps when making decisions on products to have this kind of insightful information!
 
Thanks niky. At last!

They're pretty lucky at that, if I'd gone back to do thread clean-up before issuing infractions, I would have given more than ten points each...

If anyone wants to continue discussions regarding IRacing versus GT5 or PS3 versus PC, feel free to create a specific thread for it. But please, no flaming there, either.
 
excellent news on pc drivers before end jan.

but no news on compatibility with EA and Codemaster games :( hopefully this will be included in a ps3 update very soon
 
Here's what Thrustmaster said today about future compatibility:

"In order to ensure the T500 RS racing wheel’s compatibility with forthcoming high-profile racing games on PS3 and PC, racing wheels and software development kits have been issued on request to major game development studios: Sony, EA, Codemasters, Atari..."
 
Here's what Thrustmaster said today about future compatibility:

"In order to ensure the T500 RS racing wheel’s compatibility with forthcoming high-profile racing games on PS3 and PC, racing wheels and software development kits have been issued on request to major game development studios: Sony, EA, Codemasters, Atari..."

Good News 👍
 
Just placed an order with Frys for a T500 RS today after hearing about the upcoming PC compatibility update in a few weeks.

I originally had ordered a Fanatec GT2 but after the ridiculous delays, I've decided to go with Thrustmaster. Fanatec has a good product, but instead of receiving my wheel in mid-March, I"ll receive my T500 in the next week. Can't beat that.

Has anyone heard when / if Thrustmaster is planning on releasing a shifter for the T500 RS? Sorry if this has already been asked.
 
I read that same quote by Thrustmaster, however, I wouldn't put much stock into it. I received an email from Chris Dunagan the Chairman & Managing Director at Obutto after I questioned him about the Thrustmaster updates for the Ozone since I may be interested in buying one and he said they hadn't been contacted by Thrustmaster and they probably wouldn't be making any updates to the rig to accommodate the T500. So that statement by Thrustmaster about collaborating with cockpit makers is just a sales pitch. They may have intentions of working with the cockpit makers but it doesn't mean the cockpit makers will actually update there current rigs.

Just consider that Thrustmaster said this thing would be on sale here on January 5th. They knew the shipments wouldn't be received in time for that release date.

Sorry but I found this on Obutto's facebook page : http://www.facebook.com/find-friends/#!/profile.php?id=100001551903195

seems T500RS is fully ok !
 
Just ordered the T500 RS and it is expected to be delivered tomorrow (on my birthday!). :cheers:

Denur, could you please share where you ordered your T500 RS from? I just ordered one from Frys today but it is backordered for a few weeks. Thanks for the help / advice!
 
I decided that after a weekend of enjoying the T500RS (about 20 hours so far), I decided I should try post up my first impressions of the wheel.

As some background, before picking up the T500RS, I mainly used a DFP to play GT5. I have used a friend’s G27 for GTR Evolution on PC and GT5p, but did not have it to use when I finally picked up GT5. I currently use an Obutto cockpit with the 3 monitor setup.

After getting the wheel home from Fry’s, it took me a good 40 minutes to set up the wheel. I attribute this mostly to my lack of mechanical proficiency and the awkward way I have the Obutto set up in my room.

Since the pedal setup is very large I removed the inclined foot rest that came with the cockpit. The pedals are set on the carpet with the back up against the cross-member which usually supports the footrest. I also switched the pedals from F1 mode to GT mode (because of preference; I wanted more of the normal car feel). A big thanks to RC45 and his write ups in assisting me in accomplishing this task. While I am not an expert the hardware quality, the Allen bolts (?) seemed fine after I unbolted and re-bolted the pedals and diamond plate. I did notice that the diamond plate did not line up in GT mode while it did in F1 mode. I got 3 of the 4 bolts in without much trouble. The final hole did not line up, so I left it unbolted. The wheel itself attached easily to the cockpit; though I did remove the acrylic desk surface. The attachment platform did not have screw holes; which meant I had to use the provided clamp.

I don’t think I have much new to add about the wheel’s performance which has not already been said by so many other owners. In relation to the DFP which I have been using, there is no comparison. This is nothing unexpected as the DFP is an outdated wheel. What surprised me more was the (perceived?) improvement over the G27.

*Please note this is all PERSONAL opinion. So your mileage may vary ^_^*

In the spirit of transparency I would like everyone to know, unlike what some here have voiced, I personally prefer immersion more than fast lap times, and so my comments are based on this preference. I am not sure if the T500RS will make you a faster driver. It certainly helped me get better times in some situations, but was getting me worse times in others. I also generally drive the non-racing type cars. I like the dynamic feeling standard production cars have over the highly exaggerated responses of racing vehicles.

To me, the G27 control felt choppy and sluggish when being used, and FFB seems exaggerated. My brother and I often complained that it was actually more fun to drive using the controllers than using the G27 in GT5p. However, this all changed with the T500RS. For the first time, I actually feel that a driving wheel is less of a gimmick and more a tool of immersion. The FFB is nice and lithe; you can feel, at times, small inconsistencies of the road surface. The amount of force generated by the wheel is also very good; enough to shake the whole cockpit, with me sitting in it, when I hit a curb/zebra. The smoothness of the wheel’s input is amazing. I am not sure what exactly causes that, but my smoothness during cornering has drastically increased over the G27.

The paddle shifters are solid and crisp when used; even in hard driving conditions. Although RC45 may have had some issues with it, I haven’t had the misfortune to have an issue with the mode button as of yet. Originally, I had no issues with the steering wheel material; but after a hard days worth of driving (about 10 hours) it did start to get slightly sticky. I haven’t had any issues with fan noise, but my room is very noisy with other electronics. I do get concerned that the wheel gets very warm after a lot of hard driving. I can only hope that this is well within design tolerances.

The pedal itself is also decent. Though I totally agree with RC45 about that sticky feeling you get from the gas pedal when depressing it to the bottom. (Has anyone found a good fix for this yet?). There is good travel distance for the throttle in GT setup (I have not used F1 setup at all); giving good control over the throttle. The stiffness of the brake is also very firm which feels nice (I have not installed the foam and spring mod). It feels like the travel distance of the brake is short, though this might be due to me depressing it hard for braking. It does feel significantly more firm initially than the pedal in my Supra (I have been told by those who have driven it, that the brakes have a lot of travel before engaging though). Though it sounds like from others who have more experience with different pedals, that the brake pedal is not as good as it could be. I couldn’t be more happy with it myself; coming from DFP and G27. I would really like to see how good they could be with a Perfect Pedal Mod.

Unfortunately, I have never had the privilege of trying a Fanatec so I cannot make a comparison there. However, I do know that I like the T500RS enough that my brother and I are considering picking up a second unit for our other PS3.
 

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