The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread

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I got the last one at Amazon. Cancelled my Fry's order. Sorry Fry's but I must have now!! Now if GamePod will get off their butts and get me my GT2 I will be in high cotton.
 
AntDX316
Today's PC's are far superior to the PS3. The day PS3 came out the PS3 was far superior. A GPU of today is far superior to the PC's CPU. The GPU is far superior to todays consumer CPU.

PS3 is 25.6GFLOPs

PC:
CPU 2600 k is 30.4 GFLOPs
GPU 5970 is 4.64 TFLOPs

CPU IBM's Supercomputer is 3 PFLOPs

1000 GFLOPs = 1 TFLOP approx.
1000 TFLOPs = 1 PFLOP approx.

You said the PS3 is better than any PC. It's not true.

iRacing and Live for Speed work with those extra power. That is the reason why you can flip cars in those games and can't flip cars in GT5. The reason why you can't use the head tracking in anything than racing alone, in GT5 is the lack of power. If GT5 has to calculate to that extent the FPS would drop to single digit numbers. They try to maintain a minimum FPS. In rain the smoothness of the game drops to nearly a stuttering motion picture. The reason is lack of frame rate. With a fast pc, the smoothness of the game would drop in smoothness no matter how many calculations it has to do for the game. The reason for it is the minimum frame rate is at least 60 fps. It actually can do over 1000 fps in the game. The PS3 probably mins at 30fps-50fps and can't exceed 50fps due to the power of itself.

Frame rate, or frame frequency, is the frequency (rate) at which an imaging device produces unique consecutive images called frames.
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PS3 has been maxed at a useable 160 GFLOPS lol, idk where you get your facts, and then there's the fact that I'm next to positive iRacing isn't coded for more than 2 CPU useage, IF THAT, like every other PC game out there and PS3 games have much lower level API calls, so not only do you have the Cell w/ 6 useable cores crapping on an i7 for what it does best, it's used far more efficiently. I will say that yes, finally PC's are catching up graphics wise for about twice as much money, but that's because GPUs like everything tech wise have evolved to rediculous standards, (praise the lord, haha). :sly:


Back to the main topic, again, sorry for the derail :ouch: I'll hit someone up in a diff. thread if they want to talk shop somewhere else.
 
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Shogunz
I read that same quote by Thrustmaster, however, I wouldn't put much stock into it. I received an email from Chris Dunagan the Chairman & Managing Director at Obutto after I questioned him about the Thrustmaster updates for the Ozone since I may be interested in buying one and he said they hadn't been contacted by Thrustmaster and they probably wouldn't be making any updates to the rig to accommodate the T500. So that statement by Thrustmaster about collaborating with cockpit makers is just a sales pitch. They may have intentions of working with the cockpit makers but it doesn't mean the cockpit makers will actually update there current rigs.

Just consider that Thrustmaster said this thing would be on sale here on January 5th. They knew the shipments wouldn't be received in time for that release date.
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Do you know if you can fit the pedals on the Obutto?

Could someone measure the T500Rs pedals and/or compared to CSP especially the width?
 
7HO
February and $799
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Thanks, $799 is a bit of a mark up with our current dollar but less than I was expecting. 👍

When the shifter unit shows face I will consider it.
 
CoolColJ
Just a quick comment - to dispel this..

I can play Netkar Pro and LFS fine with a dual stick Logitech pad, infact drifting with a pad is way easier in LFS than with a wheel.
That's how I played LFS for a good year before I got a wheel, on and offline. Hell some people play with a keyboard, or just a mouse! :)
NetKar Pro drives really well with a pad, even the game has a nice steup for the X-Box controller, you just need to tweak input curves in the setup.

Any game that has adjustable input curves will play well with a pad.
Same for Richard Burns Rally. Even iRacing is not too bad with a pad.
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Not sure this proves the point - unless you're saying people played with a keyboard and NO assist/cheats. I seriously doubt anyone can be competitive on rFactor or any of the GTR games with a keyboard or even a gamepad. Hell, I doubt anyone can drive a lap playing Grand Prix Legends with a keyboard let alone compete. That game was a bear with a wheel.
 
cleanvrsix
got some good news;

Ok guys i just got off the phone with amazon.com customer service and they have no idea why the product isnt listed when you type in thrustmaster t500 rs in the search so the guy told me to type in this: b004j6krd6....needless to say they have 3 in stock and i got mine on order and should be here january 21 - january 26...good luck guys for those of you who want to order it off of amazon.com!!! Just found out why it doesn't show up when you search for thrustmaster t500 rs or thrustmaster or T500 RS....it's because you have to type in exactly Thrustmaster T500 RS GT5 Wheel....WOW what a search engine!?
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Was this actually from Amazon directly or 3rd party? After I boasted about Amazon's superiority they have this ridiculous gaffe in having to search for the FULL title, wtf?
 
Yeah it was a third party seller but they have an excellent rating. I have a thread up in the wheels subforum so we don't have to derail this one, check it out for.more info.
 
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Do you know if you can fit the pedals on the Obutto?

Could someone measure the T500Rs pedals and/or compared to CSP especially the width?
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When including the diamond plate it's widest footprint is 13 3/4". From the back of the pedals to the front edge of the diamond plate is 16".

Based on the dimensions provided on the Obutto website the pedals fit.
 
F1 Style:
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GT/RALLY Style:
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Ranger099
Not sure this proves the point - unless you're saying people played with a keyboard and NO assist/cheats. I seriously doubt anyone can be competitive on rFactor or any of the GTR games with a keyboard or even a gamepad. Hell, I doubt anyone can drive a lap playing Grand Prix Legends with a keyboard let alone compete. That game was a bear with a wheel.
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Some are competitive with a joypad on rfactor. I would say pro physics using S2 tyres in GT5P is more difficult with a pad than most PC games. All I hear is how there's not enough grip, too difficult to control and cars are deathtraps from PC sim players, and using a joypad is very tricky but can be done. One guy here beat and upset quite a few rfactor players. All you need is to adapt your inputs.

PC sims are just games. I know people think PC only titles are uber real and hard but the reality is there quite forgiving. They're just more serious in-depth at simulating racing, rules, fuel loads etc.

iracing graphics are improving all the time. The devs have made a point to do this in the last year so we won't see PC sims far behind console games. Much of the techniques are filtering down and can be achieved on a lower budget.

I really hope the T500 shifter is top quality. It could make or break my purchase.

Has the T500 been sold in the UK then?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GC-028-TH

It was around £421 at overclock and has gone up in price but I thought we're still waiting.
 
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So anybody that has a T500 can you please measure the holes on the rubber support that is below the pedal plate.

Space Apart
Space of all four

Would be appreciated.
 
If you do a search on overclockers.co.uk and read anout their customer feed back on various sites, the you can make up your own mind to buy from there or not.
 
lunarwolf
Not yet in UK AFAIK. :(

BTW Play have them on pre-order for £399
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Nice. Looks like there'll be some movement on price soon.

Overdoser
just picked up the wheel earlier this week, definitely worth getting if you can afford it. I had been using the G25 and been very happy with it but the T500 RS is just another step above. It's hard to describe but the best way I can think of is the "feel" is much more realistic and direct. I just have this exhilarating feeling when im using the wheel and pedals. The feel of the pedals and the precise control you have over throttle and braking is exceptional. I apologize if my comments are not very descriptive but to give you some perspective with regards to my driving experience I am lvl 30 in Aspec, All gold for licenses, all gold nurburgring challenge and majority of special events. I also drive a modified NSX in real life and definitely not saying this to boost my ego, just want to give some perspective ^^;;; I don't usually post but wanted to share my experience with you guys 👍

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with regards to earlier comments about the "stepping on gum" feeling from the pedals. I was able to remedy this by sticking some thin foam rubber padding I had on the pedals and opposite contact patch. I also placed a piece opposite where the spring from the "realistic brake mod" contacts the base of the brake pedal. helps with the progressive feel of the brake mod. I highly recommend doing this and the feel you get from it is incredible.

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Thanks for posting. I wanted to quote as it seems to have got lost in the mire.

What i'm still sceptical about is how much of an improvement it is over Fanatec. I feel Darin's "reminds me of a frex wheel" has really snowballed over the internet. It could remind him slightly and really just a small step after a Fanatec. Frex construction is high end and I could say GT5 reminds me of driving a car. Infact Darin said Forza 3 is a PC sim and later retracted that view and its now just a fun console game again. I trust his judgement on wheels but they can get carried away or his Frex statement is not to be taken literally like I've seen happen.
 
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UK looks like Feb before orders are shipped no matter where you order from.

Asda have it on PRE-ORDER listed as Feb 1 @ £380 (currently the cheapest in UK)

Chromatic9
In fairness Darin based that opinion on first impressions not a full analysis.

Also he stated the T500 set the new benchmark.
So far if anything the pedals are better than some assumed they would be. The wheels performance and construction has had little criticisim (apart from the hick) and the precision/power does indeed seem to be well ahead of Fanatec/Logitec in GT5. Other things like ergonomics will be based on personal preferences.

I really hope EA have SHIFT 2 working with this wheel properly as that is releasd in MARCH/APRIL.
The support and how long the support will be in coming in other new games (TDU2 / Dirt 3 / F1 2011) is if anything one of the bigger concerns of this product.

Thrustmaster wheels have had past support from most developers, the question is will T500 get full support from the new SDK it uses?
Also will further updates to use the H-Shifter be forthcoming? This has not yet been confirmed by ANY studio or TM themselves via any offical press release.
 
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AntDX316
Today's PC's are far superior to the PS3. The day PS3 came out the PS3 was far superior. A GPU of today is far superior to the PC's CPU. The GPU is far superior to todays consumer CPU.

PS3 is 25.6GFLOPs

PC:
CPU 2600 k is 30.4 GFLOPs
GPU 5970 is 4.64 TFLOPs

CPU IBM's Supercomputer is 3 PFLOPs

1000 GFLOPs = 1 TFLOP approx.
1000 TFLOPs = 1 PFLOP approx.

You said the PS3 is better than any PC. It's not true.

iRacing and Live for Speed work with those extra power. That is the reason why you can flip cars in those games and can't flip cars in GT5. The reason why you can't use the head tracking in anything than racing alone, in GT5 is the lack of power. If GT5 has to calculate to that extent the FPS would drop to single digit numbers. They try to maintain a minimum FPS. In rain the smoothness of the game drops to nearly a stuttering motion picture. The reason is lack of frame rate. With a fast pc, the smoothness of the game would drop in smoothness no matter how many calculations it has to do for the game. The reason for it is the minimum frame rate is at least 60 fps. It actually can do over 1000 fps in the game. The PS3 probably mins at 30fps-50fps and can't exceed 50fps due to the power of itself.

Frame rate, or frame frequency, is the frequency (rate) at which an imaging device produces unique consecutive images called frames.
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.Hz is one funny guy i´ll tell ya :D

And add the fact that i have 2x GTX 580´s with two nuclearbombs as GPU´s his words become even more ridiculous.
 
.Hz
PS3 has been maxed at a useable 160 GFLOPS lol, idk where you get your facts, and then there's the fact that I'm next to positive iRacing isn't coded for more than 2 CPU useage, IF THAT, like every other PC game out there and PS3 games have much lower level API calls, so not only do you have the Cell w/ 6 useable cores crapping on an i7 for what it does best, it's used far more efficiently. I will say that yes, finally PC's are catching up graphics wise for about twice as much money, but that's because GPUs like everything tech wise have evolved to rediculous standards, (praise the lord, haha). :sly:


Back to the main topic, again, sorry for the derail :ouch: I'll hit someone up in a diff. thread if they want to talk shop somewhere else.
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Facepalm...

The only reason GT5 can run on a PS3 which it BARELY does is because the developers have one platform with the same specs.

PC developers has to consider all types of graphics cards, memorys, motherboards etc etc.

So the fact of the matter is that Iracing actually has to put a leash on eyecandy to let people with not so good computers being able to tun the game.

PS3 is not what you think. yes it´s a good machine but far from PC and the graphics you can produce on that. Crysis for example. A PS3 would lag itself to death if it tried to play that game at those resolutions.

A PS3 only has to play a resolution that´s 1920x1080, And GT5 is not even that LOL.
 
AntDX316
Today's PC's are far superior to the PS3. The day PS3 came out the PS3 was far superior. A GPU of today is far superior to the PC's CPU. The GPU is far superior to todays consumer CPU.

PS3 is 25.6GFLOPs

PC:
CPU 2600 k is 30.4 GFLOPs
GPU 5970 is 4.64 TFLOPs

CPU IBM's Supercomputer is 3 PFLOPs

1000 GFLOPs = 1 TFLOP approx.
1000 TFLOPs = 1 PFLOP approx.

You said the PS3 is better than any PC. It's not true.

iRacing and Live for Speed work with those extra power. That is the reason why you can flip cars in those games and can't flip cars in GT5. The reason why you can't use the head tracking in anything than racing alone, in GT5 is the lack of power. If GT5 has to calculate to that extent the FPS would drop to single digit numbers. They try to maintain a minimum FPS. In rain the smoothness of the game drops to nearly a stuttering motion picture. The reason is lack of frame rate. With a fast pc, the smoothness of the game would drop in smoothness no matter how many calculations it has to do for the game. The reason for it is the minimum frame rate is at least 60 fps. It actually can do over 1000 fps in the game. The PS3 probably mins at 30fps-50fps and can't exceed 50fps due to the power of itself.

Frame rate, or frame frequency, is the frequency (rate) at which an imaging device produces unique consecutive images called frames.
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The PS3 is a 60fps machine, why else would GT5 be made to run at 60hz? Also I don't get any judder when it is raining or snowing in GT, maybe you get to service your playstation.

Shogunz
That Game Racer doesn't look like a bad rig. It looks like a more sturdy version of the Playseat. My only knock on it like the Playseat, is the center post. If I were one that was considering the Playseat design I could see going with the Game Racer instead. Although, cost would have to be considered.
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I don't get whats wrong with the centre post? Unless you are 5'5 with the wheel set down really low it won't restrict you from heel/toe etc.
 
You can flip cars in GT5....
Head tracking only in Arcade mode (with other cars), is because the PS3 didn't have enough memory left, 200+ system megs will only get you so far. No PC games will run on 200MB anyway.

iRacing, Netkar Pro and LFS work fine on my old Pentium 4 3ghz machine (With hyperthreading on - basicly a single core CPU with a fake 2nd core) with 1-2 Gigs, and 7900GT class video card, so they don't really need much horsepower to run the physics. When I upgraded to my current i7 930 4ghz machine, it just allowed me to run at a higher framerate, but the physics stayed the same, using a low end ATI 4670 video card, which is still a lot faster than the 7900GT card.
 
Question -- Does the T500RS work with iRacing?

Answer -- Who cares? It works great in Gran Turismo 5!

Welcome to the GRAN TURISMO forums! =)

And yes, I know it's a important question, but seriously...
 
Hey guys,
someone asked me to make a rally video with the t500 to see the ff... So I made a video. Quality could be better (E500D laying on a chair), driving for sure also. It's not a video of how good I am, so please no bashing.

TV seems to be very bright in the video so you cannont see everything. Getting better at the end, where the challenge turns to evening. Sry for that. Had no time to build and configure a good video setup.

**PLEASE DO NOT LINK THIS VIDEO WITHOUT ASKING ME. Not everyone has to know how my Socks or living room looks like **

Setup: Thrustmaster T500 RS, Speesmaster 2.0, Gunnar Glasses (<- who cares :) ). All Aids off (except for Abs at 1 and Driving Line (Didn't remember the track as you can see in first try where I totally sucked) )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mwp1WJNTVA
 

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