But what's the meaning of this thread?The purpose of this thread is to discuss the 2nd god.
To discuss train wrecks.But what's the meaning of this thread?
Surely we need to decide once and for all if there's first one before we can discuss this so-called second god?
If it's suggested to be anything like "universal consciousness", I fear I may need a bucket.I would also like to know what Kaku mean by 'universal intelligence'.
Are there people who worship nature? If so, then yes, people worship this second god. Would it become a new religion? Yes, perhaps in a small degree or in isolated quarters. But it doesn't have to. It's primarily a philosophy or science for people who might continue to support atheism or traditional if non-violent religions. In short, "Nature" might a better word for it than "god".Would people worship this second god? Would it even become a new religion (or does it have to be)?
Surely we need to decide once and for all if there's first one before we can discuss this so-called second god?
Are there people who worship nature? If so, then yes, people worship this second god. Would it become a new religion? Yes, perhaps in a small degree or in isolated quarters. But it doesn't have to. It's primarily a philosophy or science for people who might continue to support atheism or traditional if non-violent religions. In short, "Nature" might a better word for it than "god".
The first god is the personal god of the Abrahamic tradition, the angry and destructive God of the Bible. Credible scientists and philosophers agree that on subjective matters there can be no proof, no decisive or objective conclusion that such a being exists. The traditional God thread is filled with argument and debate over an insolvable problem.
The 2nd god is not a personal god. It comes from the tradition of philosophy and science, and is essentially the notion that the universe of space, time and matter was preceded by a consciousness which is the foundation of all, including the laws of physics. It is a notion of harmony, order, beauty and simplicity. Is adumbrations come in many flavors. Pantheism, panpsychism, animism, and hylozoism are my personal favorites, but aspects of Buddhism, Hindu and a few others are there. There is only a tiny scrap that comes from the Abrahamic direction.
My personal request is that this particular 2nd god of Einstein, etc, thread not include partisan arguments and condemnations so plentiful in the traditional God thread. So that it can do that, I respectfully ask that it stand separately.
To repeat, "god" is not the totally correct word, because it's a hot button with many loaded connotations. "Nature" may be a wiser choice.
okay by me.Thomas Paine is a good source for what you're describing. You might want to change the thread title to Deism. This discussion fits in the god thread, but if you want to focus the discussion specifically on this type of God, I think the title "Deism" is a good option.
That's an idea, but I would prefer not to be involved in such of huge thread over essentially Abrahamic atrocities incurring the wrath of secularists.
Deism - belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind.
Deism, yes.Deism
Deism has nothing whatever to do with it. Consciousness continually interacts and intervenes all the time in every way everywhere in the universe. Even electrons are conscious! Consciousness is the stuff, the matrix, the foundation that underlies time, space and matter. Our universe cannot exist without it. According to this thread.
But what's the meaning of this thread?
IMHO, this is a great and profound insight, and it has a number of interesting and crucially important implications. We should address those. But we can stipulate there is no "supernatural" force (really energy) because the math of quantum mechanics allows for it.I find Kaku's belief in a supernatural force to be pretty similar to what I believe. I think there is something that dictates the rules on the universe that's outside the realm of existence that we know. What that is exactly, I have no idea, but no matter how much I think about it, the universe doesn't seem like something that happens by chance.
That's precisely why I created this thread. Here, we can leave that behind.Religion though? Ya, religion can get bent.
I'm being badly misunderstood on both these issues.Something, something, post-modernism...something, something, aliens.
Yes, that's the fierce one who divides, conquers and enslaves us with fear, punishment and compulsion. The 2nd god is the source of the consciousness that links us all together, frees us from the first one, and enables us to have a much better time and experience on Earth.So is the "first God" purely a man-made creation (according to this theory)?
But but but what about Eric Claption
Jimmy Hendricks for the win.
J. J. Caile > Eric Claption. Change my mind.
Eric Claption's guitar-like contraptions?
I was kind of thinking Anoia from the Terry Pratchett novels would be suited to a modern society. She's the goddess of awkwardly-shaped kitchen implements getting stuck and preventing drawers from opening. People offer oaths to her every day.
I had no idea. RIP. I was just talking with some mates last night about what a great drummer he was.On a sad, co-incidental side note, Ginger Baker has died.
Anoia is only an Assistant Patron Goddess by rank so I imagine she has peers who aren't mentioned in the books which cover "dad drawers" full of left over keys, spare nuts and bolts etc.Does Pratchett have a deity for the drawer where the old string, left-over hinges, tape measure, superglue, half-a-roll-of-sellotape and other miscellaneous odds and sods are kept?