The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne 

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I think what they're really jealous of is movie companies, movies sell at the theatres (non-3D,3D,IMAX, etc.), then discount theatres, then pay-per-view, then DVD, then streaming, then TV, then special editions, then re-releases, re-screening.
 
Wardez
I think what they're really jealous of is movie companies, movies sell at the theatres (non-3D,3D,IMAX, etc.), then discount theatres, then pay-per-view, then DVD, then streaming, then TV, then special editions, then re-releases, re-screening.
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Don't think Sony would be jealous of that :sly:
 
I wonder how Microsoft investing in TV feature will affect them. TVs are getting more and more advanced every year so budget TVs in the future might have a lot of Xbox One TV features. TVs out there with motion control, voice control to change channels and also interact with another TV set-top box and lot of apps including, TV and gaming, also Gaikai technology has been tried on it. Also you got ability to interact with TV with smartphones and tablets, whether sharing content, taking screenshots or using as some form of input like a gamepad. You also got DVR features to record what is on screen.

Input one is what they are pushing for:

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DG_Silva
I will say, for me, the X360 has been the better option in the current generation of consoles (I do have a PS3 and a PC as well). So, if you want to call me a fanboy, do so.
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I'm not calling you a fanboy. Nor am I putting you down for having a preferred system. I went with a PS3 last gen and I'm happy with my choice. I had pretty much written off the possibility of buying an Xbox one before it was even announced due to the following reasons:

1.) Xbox isn't very popular in Japan. Some say that the one may not even release in Japan. Even if it does, it will still sell poorly which means that PS4 games will be easier to come by than XBox one games.

2.) The RROD debacle. I planned on picking up a 360 at some point, but due to Microsoft's complete failure to produce an SKU that didn't suffer from the RROD, then I'm not taking many chances with the Xbox one until it has a proven track record.

3.) This one only came to light after the system reveal. Region locking. Due to the fact that I live in Japan, my PS3 game collection consists of Japanese, EU and NA games. Some games have English language support regardless of the region. Others don't. For the latter, I go to Akihabara and pick up an import copy.

DG_Silva
What has annoyed me is, that in this thread and others, it has turned into anti-Microsoft rant, there is very little balanced or pro-Microsoft arguements, and the negative opines seem to be the most vociferous, with very little balancing, apart from yourself F1 fan.
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To be fair, the blame for this lies solely on Microsoft. The information that sparked the fury in the first place came from Microsoft employees. To make matters worse, their answers were inconsistent which only added to the confusion/hatred.

DG_Silva
Anyone with a pro voice, seems to get slapped down.
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Because the majority of the "pro voices" have been telling us to disregard information that has come from Microsoft employees. Why should we disregard that which has come from the horses mouth? Is it because it shows the console in a negative light? So far, this has been an absolute disaster for Microsoft's PR department. I'm sure they'll turn things around, but I'm not going to blindly ignore facts. The same goes for Sony.

DG_Silva
I would look at the PS4 and try to balance the same way, but 1, I don't have the same level of interest, and 2, so very little is known about the console.
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Do you mind sharing your reasons for not being interested in the PS4? Just curious.

Hyland
What does that even mean?
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I guess they're talking about the ability to run your Xbox and Cable into the same HDMI input. Still pushing the "All in one" I see. All in one input, yes. All in one box? No.
 
I'm really bad at catching jokes today lol, sorry bro.

Anyway, big post incoming.

Some confirmations from an extremely reliable source on NeoGaf about how the Xbone and PS4 are currently planned to work.

Source here, his seemingly trolling cryptic format style is used in order to throw off search engines and blog/forum crawlers:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=581089

Here's an /r/games thread breaking down the info (second highest upvoted comment has some really good info sourcing information from Sony about their DRM and used game policies btw):
http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1g0sui/rumor_new_leaked_information_from_ms_conference/

For those that may have reddit blocked or whatever, I'm pasting all the relevant, good, info here -

"Translation" of the NG MS and Sony 'Leak' E3 post:
  • Microsoft is buying out publishers to not mention the PS4 versions of multi-platform titles, so you can assume if the presenter does not say "EXCLUSIVE TO XBOX ONE", that it will also be on PS4.
  • More in depth DRM info at Gamescom. There is no rental strategy, they're trying to just sweep it under the rug and hope people don't remember.
  • Cloud power was designed as DRM. It was Microsoft's idea, and they approached other publishers. EA and Ubisoft support, Activision slightly less so.
  • DRM plans are worse than what they have said.
  • Mirror's Edge 2 at MS conference.
  • Prince of Persia (reboot?) at MS conference.
  • Secret Phil Spencer game = World of Tanks. It is said that you still need Gold to play F2P games?
  • Paywall for Xbox One.
  • Dead Rising 3 as Xbox One exclusive. Exclusive DLC for another Capcom game.
  • No paywall for PS4, but it's unconfirmed.
  • Sony is very tight on their DRM policies, so no DRM info.
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The last point there has been rebutted in the /r/games thread, check it out here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comme...leaked_information_from_ms_conference/cafoxgn

andapastea:
Sony has not been quiet on their DRM policies. Quit saying this ****.

From Mark Cerny:
Q: Is the PS4 console is designed to be connected in a 'permanent' way? What I'm asking is it will need to be connected all the time? And if so, how will this affect plans for PSN?
A: PlayStation 4 is not a permanent connection system in that sense, but the experience is much richer if you are connected. You will have access to digital content and the updates for your games, along with a wide range of social functions: upload videos and screenshots, see your friends play and interact with them in various ways within the games.

From Michael Denny:
So I think two of the other pillars we talked about in-terms of design were simplicity and immediacy. Even taking back a step from here, PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all. So it depends what level you want to use these feature sets at. So with ’simple’ and ’immediacy’ we want it so that everything is one button click away, for example. And ’immediacy’ takes down these barriers that can be frustrating to gamers between the player getting access to the content.

In Game Informer with Shuhei Yoshida:
Q: GI - Rumor claims that Microsoft's console will require an always-online Internet connection to play games. In previous interviews, you've stated that that's not the case with PS4. Did you ever consider an always-online connection for the PS4, and if so, why did you decide against it?
Shuhei Yoshida: Did we consider it? No, we didn't consider it. The main reason being that many countries don't have robust Internet connections. It makes sense for people to have Internet connections to play online games, but for offline games there are many countries that we saw do not really have robust internet.

Eurogamer with Shuhei Yoshida:
Eurogamer: Does the console always need to be connected to the internet?
Shuhei Yoshida: You can play offline, but you may want to keep it connected. The system has the low-power mode - I don't know the official term - that the main system is shut down but the subsystem is awake. Downloading or updating or you can wake it up using either the tablet, smartphone or PS Vita.
Eurogamer: Are all of those things optional? For people who have broadband data limits, for example? They can customise everything?
Shuhei Yoshida: Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that.

From Kotaku:
More relief... At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that.

So, without an always online connection and a pretty clear message that used games are here to stay, Sony actually has given us a ton of details. The only thing left to see is whether or not publishers continue with the online pass system, which is probably the most likely scenario. Since that's up to the publishers, Sony doesn't really have anything else they need to clarify, right?
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Comments describing who this source poster is:

[–]saaking
Now, this insider is almost 100% reliable, has been for years now. If he says so it's as good as done. This confirms it's MS behind the DRM, not the publishers as people on here have been saying. MS has chosen to screw their customers over with DRM and the continued practice of paying for XBL. Not to mention the disgusting act of trying to sabotage the PS4's conference by moneyhatting as many games as they can. Despicable. To believe that DRM is actually worse and they're trying to purposely deceive their audience. Just, wow.

You'd have to be dumb as bricks to support MS if even half of this is true.
So unless MS Specifically says a game is X1 exclusive, we should assume they are not.

[–]IllIllIII
Now, this insider is almost 100% reliable, has been for years now.
Can you give an example of something major and unpredictable he's gotten right? I don't doubt him because I've read other neogaf threads where people said he's reliable, but never saw any proof.

[–]saaking
Sure, here you go: Deleted Link
That's his post history, only 82 posts since 2004. Look through them and you'll see for yourself. Rumors are not taken lightly on Neogaf, if you go and start and rumor, you almost instantly banned. The fact that CBOAT has been on NeoGaf for nearly 10 years means quite a lot. He's approved by the community and the mods as a very, very solid source. If he says it's so, it normally is.
EDIT: It seems the link I provided above is not available to non-members, really sorry about that, I didn't know. I'll try looking for a brief history on his leaks.
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Alternate interpratation from a NG user:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=62291369&postcount=23

1. Confirmed Microsoft is actively attempting to get developers to not mention PS4 versions. If they don't say "OUR GAME IS EXCLUSIVE FOR XBONE" expect a PS4 version. #truthfact

2. More DRM messaging at Gamescom. There is no rental strategy. Try to sweep it under the rug and hope people don't remember.

3. Cloud power was designed as DRM. Period. DRM was Microsoft's idea. EA and Ubisoft are supporters, Activision slightly less so.

4. DRM plans are actually worse than what they've stated.

5. Mirror's Edge 2 at MS conference.

6. Prince of Persia (reboot?) at MS conference.

7. Secret Phil Spencer game = World of Tanks

8. Live paywall still there.

9. Dead Rising 3, and exclusive DLC for another Capcom game at MS conference.

10. No online paywall for PS4. Unconfirmed.

11. No DRM info for PS4.
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XBone preorders 2.3% up on PS4 ones on Amazon UK.

Goodness knows why given all the bad news. Probably because, unlike Sony, we have seen a physical box.
 
I think apps such as Hulu and Netflix should be available to those without a gold live account. Microsoft are trying to make the One the centre of your living room entertainment. Why should you have to pay microsoft just to use Netflix or Hulu? I suppose they're trying to make a gold membership seem even more appealing, but IMHO, if they're really aiming to have non gamers pick up an Xbox one, they have to give them a good reason to do so.
 
F1 fan
I think apps such as Hulu and Netflix should be available to those without a gold live account. Microsoft are trying to make the One the centre of your living room entertainment. Why should you have to pay microsoft just to use Netflix or Hulu? I suppose they're trying to make a gold membership seem even more appealing, but IMHO, if they're really aiming to have non gamers pick up an Xbox one, they have to give them a good reason to do so.
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This, exactly. It would be disgusting of MS to make people pay for something to use in which that person/they are already paying for. I don't care about paying for gaming through their network, but paying to watch movies when the console is advertised as the 'all in one' console is just another thing that will make me consider my purchase of this console.


Robin.
XBone preorders 2.3% up on PS4 ones on Amazon UK.

Goodness knows why given all the bad news. Probably because, unlike Sony, we have seen a physical box.
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It's because the negative news is being used in Microsoft's hand as a positive. The casual gamer doesn't care as much as we/core gamers do. They hear new Xbox, they want to buy it. Simple as that.
 
Well, after 2,000 posts it looks like we can shut up the thread now, thanks to that completely valuable contribution.
 
Tornado
That is an excellent point. There is no other similar industry where the developer of a product feels they are somehow entitled to a cut of all future sales of that product over the rights of the consumer they sold it to; nor any other industries where people rally around the their supposed right to do so statements like this:
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Printers, although it's even worse.

They sell printers which stop working from a certian date on, although the printers are actually still fully functional then. 👍
Of course without informing the customers...
 
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Spagetti69
I was just checking that neogaf thread.

This is bad.
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Apparently OP is a reliable source and if he's/she's indeed right, oh my. Dat ****storm. Can't wait for the conference. 3 more hours.
 
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From Mark Cerny:
Q: Is the PS4 console is designed to be connected in a 'permanent' way? What I'm asking is it will need to be connected all the time? And if so, how will this affect plans for PSN?
A: PlayStation 4 is not a permanent connection system in that sense, but the experience is much richer if you are connected. You will have access to digital content and the updates for your games, along with a wide range of social functions: upload videos and screenshots, see your friends play and interact with them in various ways within the games.

From Michael Denny:
So I think two of the other pillars we talked about in-terms of design were simplicity and immediacy. Even taking back a step from here, PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all. So it depends what level you want to use these feature sets at. So with ’simple’ and ’immediacy’ we want it so that everything is one button click away, for example. And ’immediacy’ takes down these barriers that can be frustrating to gamers between the player getting access to the content.

In Game Informer with Shuhei Yoshida:
Q: GI - Rumor claims that Microsoft's console will require an always-online Internet connection to play games. In previous interviews, you've stated that that's not the case with PS4. Did you ever consider an always-online connection for the PS4, and if so, why did you decide against it?
Shuhei Yoshida: Did we consider it? No, we didn't consider it. The main reason being that many countries don't have robust Internet connections. It makes sense for people to have Internet connections to play online games, but for offline games there are many countries that we saw do not really have robust internet.

Eurogamer with Shuhei Yoshida:
Eurogamer: Does the console always need to be connected to the internet?
Shuhei Yoshida: You can play offline, but you may want to keep it connected. The system has the low-power mode - I don't know the official term - that the main system is shut down but the subsystem is awake. Downloading or updating or you can wake it up using either the tablet, smartphone or PS Vita.
Eurogamer: Are all of those things optional? For people who have broadband data limits, for example? They can customise everything?
Shuhei Yoshida: Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that.

From Kotaku:
More relief... At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that.

So, without an always online connection and a pretty clear message that used games are here to stay, Sony actually has given us a ton of details. The only thing left to see is whether or not publishers continue with the online pass system, which is probably the most likely scenario. Since that's up to the publishers, Sony doesn't really have anything else they need to clarify, right?
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I would prefer questions that they can't dodge.

Asking is it always online is how MS dodged it. Technically no but 24hrs pretty much is.
Seems we have to register games online "up to the publishers"

Simply ask how long can you game offline for
 
chromatic9
I would prefer questions that they can't dodge.

Asking is it always online is how MS dodged it. Technically no but 24hrs pretty much is.
Seems we have to register games online "up to the publishers"

Simply ask how long can you game offline for
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Let me quote the article.

"Even taking back a step from here, PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all."

They literally said that you can keep the PS4 completely 100% offline if you wished. Nothing was dodged.
 
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