BlackZ28
WOW! Impressive driving. Pretty major difference... thats not the fear factor... moreless mapping and/or a physics difference.
So, do you have a real Minolta time to compare it with? And more importantly, with the same specs? I don't know if you remember, but last time I checked some of the cars in GT4 could actually be ... modified.
This is an old Minolta for Le Mans racing that has power that has since been ... well ... banned, basically. If you'd drive this car like in this video in real life, you'd be dead, for sure.
I'll give you one thing - the race cars in GT are less realistic compared to the road going cars.
And another - when you drive GT4 with the DS2, it loses a bit of realism also because of additional aids being active. But that's your problem - you could be driving the game with a DF Pro, and if you did, you'd never want to go back to a controller and Forza would become totally unacceptable (if the framerate and the fact that cars don't actually lean or tilt forward, which looks terrible! What were they thinking?)
But if you are going to compare times, compare cars that are actually the same, and have the same specs.
Again, I have done a few laps on the Nurburgring myself, after practicing 25 laps in the BMW 1-series demo. The 1-series 120i is actually a lot like my own car, despite being an FR (most BMW drivers will confirm that as long as you stay on a grippy surface, it's sometimes hard to tell it is actually an FR) and has very similar gear and powerbands. The real car I drove on the Ring on was my Alfa 155 1.8 TS from 1995 (129bhp). To my shock, I discovered that after those 25 practice laps, I knew the track pretty much exactly. It was awesome. I would be picking the same speeds and gear, in those few turns where I actually dared to push it a bit - but the track, in full, real 3D and depth perception, is very very scary. Some parts appear so steep, you're afraid your car won't make it up, or you'll slide down and lose grip.
Now, I have an Xbox and a PS2. There's a fair chance that one day I'll have a PS3, and if the 360 is going to support a decent wheel, I might get that also. Then I really, really hope that Forza two is going to be a great game.
See, I don't care at all about which platform has a great game. Sure, I play GTR - and love it, as I did GTR2002 and some of the great other mods - but the type of cars is limited - I prefer the street cars.
As long as the game is great, I'll be playing it, no loyalty to any flags here. Maybe the next best car-sim is Enthusia. Who knows it is on Nintendo - one platform that I've never owned before (no games that appealed to me).
But don't come here play the fanboy game. If you're going to compare real cars and in-game cars, sure you're going to find some cars are off. But the game is realistic enough for you to be required to bring some additional info on what specs both cars were running, what tires, modifications, and so on.
And, again, some respect for the Ring. If you don't understand what a big difference fear factor can (and should) make on such a track, I can't really take you seriously.
. Did I ever say anything negative about Forza? No, not yet anyway, since my Xbox screwed up before Forza's release and sent it to my brother for him to work some magic(I haven't seen it since). Funny how you brought up alive's quote.
. j/k
