Time to reassign Kaz or pull the plug?

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sport' started by CConspicuous, Oct 12, 2017.

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What should Sony do with Polyphony?

  1. Fire Kaz Yamauchi

    10 vote(s)
    6.1%
  2. Pull the plug

    8 vote(s)
    4.9%
  3. Put GT on hiatus

    4 vote(s)
    2.4%
  4. Do a full refresh

    21 vote(s)
    12.8%
  5. Keep it as it is, it's going to work out in the end

    126 vote(s)
    76.8%
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  1. racer lebedev

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    will NASCAR career feature game gt sport? good america race experience in racer car
     
  2. trustjab

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    Man, I'm loving this demo. So my immediate reaction to this thread's title: "Time to reassign Kaz or pull the plug?" I was thinking, is this a gag thread, until I realized it was serious :lol: I mean, really, man?

    [​IMG]
     
  3. sumbrownkid

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    A Gran Turismo without Kaz is like Metal Gear Solid without Kojima.

    And what do we get when Kojima was axed? A zombie survival game.
     
  4. racer lebedev

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    Kaz need stay at make game gt release are.
     
  5. JoaoSilva

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    Where is the poll option that says:

    "I love Kaz and i want him to do GT forever"?
     
  6. Laserbeak43

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    GT isn't going anywhere. It may have some less-than-appealing iterations, but it's not enough to kill the series or call it bad. Sorry your expectations haven't been met, cause I feel like I've been low-balled too. But I'm not surprised cause Sony screwed us wheel owners anyway.
     
  7. BBQ_of_DOOM

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    “Do a full refresh”

    Isn’t that what this is?!
     
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  8. Daniel55

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    Seriously, so this thread exists? Just because you don't like the game, it doesn't mean that it is bad. Many of the aspects you mentioned make me think that you don't know anything about developing games.

    2D trees: they are also in other games including Forza Motorsport 7 and they look even worse there. In GT Sport they are not that obvious. And they are in the game because of the hardware. Do you realise how old is the PS4? Graphics are incredible, but they had to do that with a cost.

    Cars and tracks list: yes, the list is not the best, but they said that they are going to release them after the game is released, including both free and paid DLCs.

    Pit stops: it should be nice to have them like you said, but even without that, the pit stop animations are very good, and some games don't even have them.

    So, in the end, to say things like Kaz should be fired, or reasigned to another position is way too harsh.

    He made these games from the beginning of the series, so a game without Kaz wouldn't be a true Gran Turismo title. His passion for cars is admirable and he wants everyone to enjoy his games. For example, I like the museum part of the game. If you are a car lover, like me, it's a very nice way to find more about the brand's history, and even those news non car related are interesting.

    I like the game so far, and in the end, if they keep their promise to deliver more cars and tracks, it will be perfect.
     
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  9. zzz_pt

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    I find this thread pointless. If you had the same standards for all other heads of studio you'd have no one leading any project.

    Let us see how the game does and then maybe we can argue about the topic.
     
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  10. daibon

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    The only true comparison to see if GT Sport does well is release it along side GT 7. Then we will see what the average joe wants out of GT. If he/she wants to be a fake "real life" racer or a Gamer.


    :)

    I am a real world Pilot and I enjoy flight simming too (Prepar3D). So I know there is interest in real world like simming all the way to becoming a real world racer. I get how finicky we are when flight simming deviates from real world into "gaming" territory. I get it.
     
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  11. Coiler

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    They should promote Kaz to an a higher lvl manager and let the next generation develop next GT game.
     
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  12. GTDriver7777

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    So just because the game is not to your liking.. the creator should be fired or the game should stop to exist completely as "poll" options?

    You sir.. are clueless.
     
  13. VYPA-SQUAD_Ace

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    Hey, atleast your post is easy to read, buddy.
     
  14. CConspicuous

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    There's a pachinko slot joke in there somewhere....

    Also a few of the replies are just reading as "Waaahhh! Mommy he said a bad about my game!"
     
  15. JockeP22

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    Time to reassign Kaz or pull the plug?

    I say promote him instead to President and CEO of Polyphony's parent company Sony Interactive Entertainment
    and give him a hundred million to continue to expand his vision with Gran Turismo.
    Heck promote him to Chairman of Sony Corporation while you're at it.

    Kaz has become an important figure in the worldwide automotive and motorsport industry.
    Or to quote Ronda's mayor;
    This GT Sport demo is fairly close to being a work of art, and it's only a demo!
    Imagine what the game will look like in six months to a year and what sort of content there'll be.
    Long live Kaz.
     
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  16. CConspicuous

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    This could actually work.
     
  17. Corsa

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    Yes I saw that.
    Can't risk losing advertising revenue, typical corporate bs.

    This is why I only come here for reviews by GtPlanet members.
    Those that have been around a few years are an honest bunch that isn't afraid to praise or call a spade a spade when needed.
     
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  18. EddSaladSammich

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    Obvious troll. This thread should be locked.
     
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  19. ApexHit

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    The demo has been an overwhelming success for Sony and PD. The general consensus has moved from skepticism and outright disinterest, to enthusiasm and a firm belief in GT Sports direction. It's even been reflected on the sales charts with a clear boost into the top 10 in the UK and US.

    Of course it isn't for everyone. But I see these slightly hyperbolic threads as a good sign. A bit of a cry for help to cut through the positivity*.


    *Just a joke
     
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  20. JoaoSilva

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    Yes , there are always people wanting to bring something down , no matter how good it is. GT Sport is an amazing game , it might not be for everyone , and that's fine. Now bashing it for the sake of bashing it , isn't going to help anyone.
     
  21. CConspicuous

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    So anyone who you disagree with is an obvious troll... good luck with that.
     
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  22. ynot

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    Good thing the demo came out for you. Dont buy it. Thats why there are so many racing games out there for you.
     
  23. VYPA-SQUAD_Ace

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    @CConspicuous I'm not gonna jump down your throat for this post. I see what you're saying about this, I actually read all these posts before making this comment.

    I honestly think that the tone that you took in your OP is what gardening the comments. You're not being a troll or anything. You came with this stern attempt to get your point across, and now people are giving their retorts in the same stern manner.

    But yeah, I could see Kaz moving to a different role. Not leaving entirely, but making room for another person to give input.

    For example, a friend of mine owns a clothing company. He's the head of the whole thing, but at times, I'll step in and give my input on something or even design something.
     
  24. CConspicuous

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    Pretty much what happened, sometimes what guys like Kaz need are a few steps back or away for a while in order to come back and make real massive improvements, just think Andre Agassi or Robert Downey Jr.
     
  25. Laughss

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    I love these new members that just come to complain. GTP needs a popcorn emote :lol:
     
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  26. gtracedriver1

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    The only way Kaz can be forced to retire if GTS fails miserably. Polyphony will remain. Unfortunately Evolution studios who were very talented devs were let go by Sony and I think some were kept for VR projects and others have gone elsewhere, most people joined Codemasters. As long as GT can make people buy the console, game. Kaz and especially Polyphony will remain.

    GTS they have mostly done a good job. The worst decision I would say is online save and limited SP mode. Cars and tracks list is lacking but it is enough and something they can improve via updates. They don't necessarily have to get new cars just get cars, tracks from previous game. Not a fan of paid DLC though. Like other games if they are planning for some 30-40$ DLC then they are digging a hole for themselves.
     
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  27. Sick Lenny

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    I'm not "getting emotional about it," I am pointing out the blunt reality of,the situation to the OP who wants PD to change, the reality of Kaz and his game being what it is and if he is not down with it he needs to just move on. My pointing out of what I think the deal is with Kaz and GT was not a criticism, just a matter of facts (as I see them anyway). I am actually glad there are some rare cases left in the VG world like Kaz and GT where he can make the game HE wants/envisions creatively, and is not selling another formula garbage AAA by the number title. I may not completely like what he makes but can respect his endeavor.
     
  28. HawkGT

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    I have to say this has been my feeling for years on GT. I even registered to post this as a long time lurker hah.

    Kaz got rich and moved on. He was brilliant with first of the GT series. GT Pioneered the racing career mode car collecting etc. Then Kaz became successful and suddenly all these videos came out of him racing and driving his exotic cars and after that the series suffered. It was supposedly going to make the series better but it never did.

    Kaz started semi pro racing and driving around in super cars and rubbing shoulders with pro drivers etc and I think he started to care less about GT. For me 3 was the best in the series and 4 while technically better felt like it had lost that GT soul. Boot up 6 vs 3 sure 6 looks worlds better but its sterile and passionless.

    GT5 and 6 were frankly disappointing. If were honest 6 was released to fix all the problems with 5. I feel like GT runs on a smaller budget then say Forza (which has its own problems) and others. That being said the game is so far behind and out of touch its almost hilarious in this market. The AI still drives like a train, engines sound sub par, forget car modding etc. I know that they need to keep it accessible but this isn't even that its just poorly executed. I mean ya thats real progression hop in your full blown race car and crash and bash with teenagers online that have never heard the term racing line.

    They have taken away the fun of buying a cheap car and making it fast then getting something better, something GT pioneered. I cant wait to wait another 5 years for a SP GT like the older ones if it ever comes out. Then we can all sit around and say PS5 launch game and then wait for something with even less content and more marketing then substance.

    I mean competitors had great engine sounds and physics years before GT4 then 5 and 6 came out with the nice looking cars and re hashes from 4 it was a joke. Ya sorry this car looks like its from the PS2 game and sounds like a vacuum cleaner (because thats what it is) as Kaz is sitting there telling everyone at E3 how revolutionary it is... Oh but look you can drive imaginary cars with imaginary performance. "Real Driving Sim".........

    It is amazing to see one of the best selling driving games on the planet turn into a mid grade lackluster game beaten by small teams on other games. Shows how $ and sales don't keep a series great.

    Before you bash me I have played GT more than any other series out there. I bought the original the day it came out and have about 500 Hrs in 5-6 even though I wasn't crazy about them. I hope Sony sees one of their greatest series has gone in the toilet and makes some changes. Its sad to have GT not lead the pack.

    I understand they loyal fans but I am voting with my wallet. I didn't want a FIA Approved Online GT. I wanted something with solid SP and Online features. If you buy things you don't want the company is going to continue to go away from what we want as they see sales as the barometer of the fans opinion on the direction they have taken it.
     
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  29. rex1825

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    There are only two solutions, one you did hit, the other one is "what Sony says", so I'll go with one you hit "Keep it as it is, it's going to work out in the end"!

    Cheers...
     
  30. Rdp616

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    I like how most people in here are bashing OP and have 0 logical returning argument to offer because he suggested they do away with Kaz or "Move" him..

    I've always had this feeling Kaz is the type of guy that if one of his employees were to make a suggestion about a new feature or making some changes to parts of the game that they would be demoted to picking up cigarette butts in the parking lot.

    Also, It seems every time a new GT releases on a new Playstation we get less and less from GT. Hell, at this rate, by PS6 GT will only have 3 cars and one track. If making cars and tracks look pretty detracts from the actual slogan of the game "The ultimate driving simulator" please, cut back on it a bit. With that being said, i don't want standard and premium cars, but there's really no need to get every stitch on that rear seat that i'll never ever see absolutely perfect...

    I think developing GT5 really put them behind the 8ball. As most companies had a tough time with the PS3 i think it really hurt polyphony. Looking back i would've gladly waited for GT6 to come out on PS4. Could've potentially been a launch title.. Now with Polyphony saying they don't even have plans for GT7 when GT sport was simply meant to be a filler game for GT7. I think Sony was getting on them about Putting out a game for the PS4, i mean, it has been out 4 years already.. And now, Hence why we're getting a game with only ~150 cars and 17 tracks and no promise for GT7.

    I think they're going to do exactly what OP suggested, after Sport you won't see another GT for quite a long time. And GT Sports sales figures will be and indicator as to how long that may be. if GT sport only sells 2 million units.. That's not good. There was roughly a 7 million unit sold drop from GT5 to GT6..Companies like Sony want to see increases not decreases. Doesn't help it's releasing after Project Cars 2. And now, GT is being criticized more than ever because there's legit competition putting out quality stuff and actually listening to what their fanbase wants.

    I could make a list 100 miles long about the the things that are wrong with GT and have been issues since the PS2 days.. For example, the sounds, the power delivery of high horsepower cars being like a light switch, the damage, the lack of certain features etc etc.

    But to sum it up. Gran Turismo is like a family member, regardless of what they do (to a point) I'll support them 100%. But they have to take a step back and reevaluate the situation in my opinion.

    Let us not Forget what got Kojima axed, sales decline.. MGS4 Sold less than MGS3, MGSV sold less than MGS4..

    GT6 sold way less than GT5..
     
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