Time Trial No. 53

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rosckolove
I tune the trans so without a draft going down the longest straight of a track I am in the peak power curve. Any gear before that I simply...... shift up?
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If you're shifting at max power, you're not taking advantage of the power band.
It's about finding the highest average hp/tq, over a certain RPM range of a gear. Even if that means going beyond peak power. (Unless the drop off of max power is too dramatic)
 
So we both do the same thing...

Anyway sorry for the off topic. Enjoy.
 
This week might be an odd one, haven't really raced Twin Ring Motegi since GT4, apart from about 10 minutes on GTAcademy, so much time is going to be spent learning the lines again. At 1:49.7xx after one go, better find myself a Dome in the UCD!

Last week was my highest ever finish too, 109th ish, pretty happy with that.
 
Not me, I use AT and never worry about it, lol. But that's why I'm slow!
But for those who want to learn about shift points and why shifting at Max HP isn't as beneficial as it seems on the surface, here's a picture I just made.
This is a ZR1 Corvette maxed out and RM'd.
Max Power 905hp @ 6900rpm
Max Torque 830 @ 4900rpm

Given a hypothetical where shifting drops the transmission 1000 RPMs
We can look at a 'power band' as a 1000rpm time period.

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In the picture you can see the person who Shifts at Max power (6900) will drop to the 5900rpm range.
The person who shifts at 7400 (500rpm beyond max power, but before the 'cliff' of the power band, will drop to 6400rpm.

If you take an average of the HP made from 6400 to 7400, you'll notice that the average is actually higher than the person who uses the 5900-6900 RPM range. (Yellow Line vs Red)
 
doodlemonoply
Hi everyone. I am currently working on a tune for the Takata Dome NSX '03 for Motegi. Right now I'm at a 1:46.8 with no aids (including no ABS) with the DS3 and here's what I have so far:

Suspension
Ride Height: 10/-15
Spring Rate: 9.7/10.7
Dampers (Extension) 5/6
Dampers (Compression) 5/6
Anti-Roll Bars 6/7
Camber: 1.0/0.5
Toe Angle: 0.00/0.20

LSD
Inital Torque: 5
Acceleration: 35
Braking: 20

Downforce
30/60

Brake Balance
4/1 for no ABS. I haven't tried this with ABS so feel free to experiment :)

Ballast
0kg @ 0

Power Limiter
93.0%

As I said before the tune is still in development and I'm trying to find ways to improve the car. I have yet to play around with the Camber and Toe so that's why it's still at the default settings. If anyone has any tips to improve the tune just let me know. I have never made a tune before so this is my very first one. Good luck and enjoy :)

Edit: Whoops! I forgot the Gear Ratios :dunce:
Use the gear ratios from Adrenaline's tune.
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You're faster than I am, so take the following with a grain of salt.
I didn't drive the car in the TT, so that could also be part of the issue.

Having said that, since you said your tune was in a developmental stage, I'm going to offer some things to try that you might want to experiment with. the first of which is rear toe. I recommend you get as close to 0.00 as possible, and possibly even into the negatives if you can handle it. To me the car felt rather understeery, but again, probably different driving styles.

The LSD doesn't seem to be optimized, but at the very least, it seems like the car could do with less Braking Sensitivity. Somewhere in the 5-10 range probably. And I've noticed that since the 2.09 update, the Takata really doesn't trend to need 60 on rear downforce. You might gain a bit of time with less rear downforce (50) and add some power.

I'm going to play with your setup a bit, and see what I can find, mainly because I find the ride height and super soft springs odd, and want to see if there's something to it.
 
I have been tuning cars with those RH for awhile now, nose up-ass down. Before the update, it worked wonders on every car I tuned that way in getting the car to rotate in the corners plus it let you hold higher speeds through the turns. Now, since the update, they seemed to have fixed it and now the opposite seems to be better, nose down-ass up, lol, The old way will still work on certain cars tho, just something you need to experiment with.
 
Adrenaline
You're faster than I am, so take the following with a grain of salt.
I didn't drive the car in the TT, so that could also be part of the issue.

Having said that, since you said your tune was in a developmental stage, I'm going to offer some things to try that you might want to experiment with. the first of which is rear toe. I recommend you get as close to 0.00 as possible, and possibly even into the negatives if you can handle it. To me the car felt rather understeery, but again, probably different driving styles.

The LSD doesn't seem to be optimized, but at the very least, it seems like the car could do with less Braking Sensitivity. Somewhere in the 5-10 range probably. And I've noticed that since the 2.09 update, the Takata really doesn't trend to need 60 on rear downforce. You might gain a bit of time with less rear downforce (50) and add some power.

I'm going to play with your setup a bit, and see what I can find, mainly because I find the ride height and super soft springs odd, and want to see if there's something to it.
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Thanks for the tips. I will use your advice 👍
 
sdkflu
first time at this circuit for me (motegi), I don't have DLC to buy this track, so you have to learning the track online first, am irrelevant on setup a race car, at least after 20 laps i got the gold (but the gold as always is not so hard to take) with lap time 1'.50".889 with Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R ’08 with stock car setup, now i make little practice and we see, but i think the good setup :( is very important for really good lap time... oh my god, i am not good mechanic :grumpy: :lol: :lol:
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Have noticed a few people saying they do not remember this track, but I remember it because of an earlier TT which used a part of this track, not to mention GT3 or GT4 which had it as one of their tracks.

Are there many people here who haven't done the original GT, then GT2, GT3 and GT4 first?

Cargo' said;
"Aww, how sweet. Does my buddy Dalone miss me? Sorry, but you won't see a time from me here. I haven't participated on a competitive nature in these TT's for some time now. I've been deverting all my time and energy towards the WRS TT's. There is alot more to be learned by doing those events and plus you also get rewarded for your efforts. Just about a month ago I recieved a double promotion for my efforts and improvement. I also find that sticking to one particular car while trying to compete is of great benifit as opposed to switching between the handling charactoristics of more than one car. Thats the reason I don't do both. I find that if I stick to one car and one track, I fair much better in the final results.

So, sorry you miss me but if there is a Seasonal TT that really strikes my fancy, I'll be back for some fun. Until then, heres a hug and kiss for you, love and miss you too my friend. LMFAO!! (jk of course) "


Bugga, I was hoping you'd turn up here for an ass whipping. Maybe.
 
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Dalone
Have noticed a few people saying they do not remember this track, but I remember it because of an earlier TT which used a part of this track, not to mention GT3 or GT4 which had it as one of their tracks.

Are there many people here who haven't done the original GT, then GT2, GT3 and GT4 first?

Cargo' said;
"Aww, how sweet. Does my buddy Dalone miss me? Sorry, but you won't see a time from me here. I haven't participated on a competitive nature in these TT's for some time now. I've been deverting all my time and energy towards the WRS TT's. There is alot more to be learned by doing those events and plus you also get rewarded for your efforts. Just about a month ago I recieved a double promotion for my efforts and improvement. I also find that sticking to one particular car while trying to compete is of great benifit as opposed to switching between the handling charactoristics of more than one car. Thats the reason I don't do both. I find that if I stick to one car and one track, I fair much better in the final results.

So, sorry you miss me but if there is a Seasonal TT that really strikes my fancy, I'll be back for some fun. Until then, heres a hug and kiss for you, love and miss you too my friend. LMFAO!! (jk of course) "


Bugga, I was hoping you'd turn up here for an ass whipping. Maybe.
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Careful for what you wish for.
 
I see you have saddled up here Cargo', good onya.

I traded Killer's Takata for his Loctite Mugen 01' and have shaved a few more tenths off my time.

Now on 1:49.481 (#844) and not using TC, only ABS1.

I would add that I was level with my ghost (1:49.874) until the second last corner.

New time, 1:49.296 @ #735. Forever onward, or better still, downward.

But how about those blue and white stripes on the sides of the track? They'd suck the peel off an orange.
 
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I'm taking a little break from Motegi to focus on Madrid a bit more. After 4 laps using a friends car, I managed to get a 1:28.056 :crazy: I know somewhere there is a few more tenths, I might just be too tired right now to find them.
 
Dalone
Have noticed a few people saying they do not remember this track, but I remember it because of an earlier TT which used a part of this track, not to mention GT3 or GT4 which had it as one of their tracks.

Are there many people here who haven't done the original GT, then GT2, GT3 and GT4 first?
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Νot gainsay... but... (If I understood what you want to say, because they do not know and english very well)

personally I did not buy and play gt1-gt2-gt3 and ps1 .... before i am many years a pc user ony... i have buy ps2 and gt4 and TT, but I have not run into many track of gt4, mostly only tsukuba who i knew very well, Mini ring, Apricot hill raceway, and a few laps at nurburgring, occasionally and some other original tracks, but I said very occasionally and especially play together with my little nephew, all that before 2 years, employment purposes I did not have lot of time to deal with ps2 games as I would have liked, I'm 44 years old and before unfortunately did not have enough time for this nice hobby, now that is a few years i have very seriously injured by traffic accident :( , I'm injured and unemployed :grumpy: , so for a the time i have time to deal lot more with GT5, with this cars, tracks ... :D :gtpflag:

:cheers:
 
I see that most fast/top players drives on the motegi mainly 2 previous generation racing car GT500 (TAKATA DOME NSX '03, LOCTITE MUGEN NSX '01), rather than the newer GT500 racing cars, why happen this; is lot best the older 2 nsxr's? and at what the best points in the oldest cars; thanks

(personally i don't have this standar cars at the moment on my garage)
 
sdkflu
I see that most fast/top players drives on the motegi mainly 2 previous generation racing car GT500 (TAKATA DOME NSX '03, LOCTITE MUGEN NSX '01), rather than the newer GT500 racing cars, why happen this; is lot best the older 2 nsxr's? and at what the best points in the oldest cars; thanks

(personally i don't have this standar cars at the moment on my garage)
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The rotate a lot better than the newer cars. Plus some of the older NSX's seem to have more straightline speed than any of the newer cars.
 
Johnnypenso
The rotate a lot better than the newer cars. Plus some of the older NSX's seem to have more straightline speed than any of the newer cars.
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Thanks Johnnypenso :cheers:

so i need to i get a older used nsx for a better lap from what I understand , i started looking from now... :lol:
 
Johnnypenso
The rotate a lot better than the newer cars. Plus some of the older NSX's seem to have more straightline speed than any of the newer cars.
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They Don't really do anything better than the newer cars. At least not the HSV.

They just have a low PP rating for what they are. So by the time you bring the PP up to par with an HSV, you have an extra 50+ hp and minimal handling disadvantages.

PP racing the old NSX's rule.

HP weight restrictions, the HSV's rule.
 
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I did it! Wasn't easy for me. The car was Xanavi Nismo Gt-r '08
P.S. My first post, so nice to meet you all!
 
Dalone
I see you have saddled up here Cargo', good onya.

I traded Killer's Takata for his Loctite Mugen 01' and have shaved a few more tenths off my time.

Now on 1:49.481 (#844) and not using TC, only ABS1.

I would add that I was level with my ghost (1:49.874) until the second last corner.

New time, 1:49.296 @ #735. Forever onward, or better still, downward.

But how about those blue and white stripes on the sides of the track? They'd suck the peel off an orange.
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Very nice

PS: i have 3 settings on every car, try them
 
doodlemonoply
Thanks for the tips. I will use your advice 👍
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I noticed that with the changes I made, your LSD Accel becomes too high as well, and required me to drop it down a bit to avoid outside wheel spin. Curious if you tried any of the things I mentioned and how(if) they worked for you.

rosckolove
They Don't really do anything better than the newer cars. At least not the HSV.

They just have a low PP rating for what they are. So by the time you bring the PP up to par with an HSV, you have an extra 50+ hp and minimal handling disadvantages.

PP racing the old NSX's rule.

HP weight restrictions, the HSV's rule.
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As usual, I disagree with you.

The new NSX's even in a 1100kg/xxxhp restriction, are not as fast as the older NSX's.

The HSV and older NSX's seem to be equally matched in my opinion/tests, where track style tends to decide which car is favored.

Just my .02
 
rosckolove
They Don't really do anything better than the newer cars. At least not the HSV.

They just have a low PP rating for what they are. So by the time you bring the PP up to par with an HSV, you have an extra 50+ hp and minimal handling disadvantages.

PP racing the old NSX's rule.

HP weight restrictions, the HSV's rule.
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Just a small bit of news. HSV is not car(s) it's car, singular. While the HSV is a good car, maybe the best of the newer cars, I still believe the older NSX's have it slightly beat in terms of overall performance in PP limited racing or in this case, a TT. A quick scan down the top 100 would seem to indicate this is true, unless you have a different top 100 than I do.
 
Adrenaline
The HSV and older NSX's seem to be equally matched in my opinion/tests, where track style tends to decide which car is favored.

Just my .02
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Think about what your saying lol....

If the HSV and the old NSX's were evenly matched, why are the NSX's at the top of the leader board? I can tell you. Its because the an old NSX's PP rating is significantly lower than any other car's even with relatively the same specs, so by the time you add engine power to bring it up to 600 PP. The things have WAY more horsepower then anything else.

If you race an HSV and an old NSX at a hp and weight spec, the HSV will destroy the NSX. Equal? I think not.

Johnnypenso
Just a small bit of news. HSV is not car(s) it's car, singular. While the HSV is a good car, maybe the best of the newer cars, I still believe the older NSX's have it slightly beat in terms of overall performance in PP limited racing or in this case, a TT. A quick scan down the top 100 would seem to indicate this is true, unless you have a different top 100 than I do.
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I'm glad we agree......
 
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Didn't it used to be true that dirty oil allowed higher HP at same PP and there was a net gain from it? But then again, I don't really know what I'm torquing about.
 
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